Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Miami Heat

[ITYSL]

Try to move Robinson. The Lowry contract is a lot too but you know that even at 36, if he's rested and relatively healthy, Lowry can give you good playoff minutes

It's crazy how much Robinson and Herro struggled to get on the court these playoffs

They went all in on that man defense scheme and Robinson simply wasn't capable of performing that style of switching defense to Spo's liking. Everytime they put Robinson in the Heat switched to a zone defense. Struss is a bigger body, but he didn't seem any more capable on defense and he missed a lot of shots.

Robinson should have been playing more all year, instead of losing minutes and confidence, but Miami has a depth problem at Center which effected the defenses they could run and it trickled its way down to the guard rotation.

Herro was injured I thought?

I probably overstated Hero's situation some, but even before the groin injury he was playing fewer minutes than he did in the RS. The last two playoffs he seems to have a reduced role - fewer minutes, less production.

[harlem_ball]

Try to move Robinson. The Lowry contract is a lot too but you know that even at 36, if he's rested and relatively healthy, Lowry can give you good playoff minutes

It's crazy how much Robinson and Herro struggled to get on the court these playoffs

They went all in on that man defense scheme and Robinson simply wasn't capable of performing that style of switching defense to Spo's liking. Everytime they put Robinson in the Heat switched to a zone defense. Struss is a bigger body, but he didn't seem any more capable on defense and he missed a lot of shots.

Robinson should have been playing more all year, instead of losing minutes and confidence, but Miami has a depth problem at Center which effected the defenses they could run and it trickled its way down to the guard rotation.

Herro was injured I thought?

I probably overstated Hero's situation some, but even before the groin injury he was playing fewer minutes than he did in the RS. The last two playoffs he seems to have a reduced role - fewer minutes, less production.

With Gobert protecting the paint Herro should be fine. He's not thriving in Spo's defensive system.

[Rapaz]

With Pat Riley there, I suspect they'll be just fine.

[nikster]

With Pat Riley there, I suspect they'll be just fine.

Almost half those wins are from the 4 years Lebron was there

[Rapaz]

Almost half those wins are from the 4 years Lebron was there

LeBron was a member of the Miami Heat, yes.

Thank you, Pat Riley!

[goodboy]

lmao

[Darthlukey]

The heat had a good 2022 run that ended probably a little later than it should have. Let's see if they run it back again next year

[Darthlukey]

They went all in on that man defense scheme and Robinson simply wasn't capable of performing that style of switching defense to Spo's liking. Everytime they put Robinson in the Heat switched to a zone defense. Struss is a bigger body, but he didn't seem any more capable on defense and he missed a lot of shots.

Robinson should have been playing more all year, instead of losing minutes and confidence, but Miami has a depth problem at Center which effected the defenses they could run and it trickled its way down to the guard rotation.

Herro was injured I thought?

I probably overstated Hero's situation some, but even before the groin injury he was playing fewer minutes than he did in the RS. The last two playoffs he seems to have a reduced role - fewer minutes, less production.

With Gobert protecting the paint Herro should be fine. He's not thriving in Spo's defensive system.

Yeah but it strikes me as unlikely that bam and gobert get switched between the heat and the jazz.

[KingDavid]

Try to move Robinson. The Lowry contract is a lot too but you know that even at 36, if he's rested and relatively healthy, Lowry can give you good playoff minutes

It's crazy how much Robinson and Herro struggled to get on the court these playoffs

They went all in on that man defense scheme and Robinson simply wasn't capable of performing that style of switching defense to Spo's liking. Everytime they put Robinson in the Heat switched to a zone defense. Struss is a bigger body, but he didn't seem any more capable on defense and he missed a lot of shots.

Robinson should have been playing more all year, instead of losing minutes and confidence, but Miami has a depth problem at Center which effected the defenses they could run and it trickled its way down to the guard rotation.

Herro was injured I thought?

Robinson was crippling us this year. You must have no idea how bad he's been. Strus was a significantly better rotation player this season. But as someone highlighted, our rotation players are mostly from the scrap heap. GSW/Bos are just about all first rounders. Very interesting data.

[harlem_ball]

I probably overstated Hero's situation some, but even before the groin injury he was playing fewer minutes than he did in the RS. The last two playoffs he seems to have a reduced role - fewer minutes, less production.

With Gobert protecting the paint Herro should be fine. He's not thriving in Spo's defensive system.

Yeah but it strikes me as unlikely that bam and gobert get switched between the heat and the jazz.

Hero would be in Utah. Traded for Mitchell.

[sp6r=underrated]

Almost half those wins are from the 4 years Lebron was there

LeBron was a member of the Miami Heat, yes.

Thank you, Pat Riley!

I've never understood the idea that Pat being able to help recruit a GOAT level player at his peak to a city he has no connection to, and that isn't NYC/LA which easily draws free agents, is an anti-Pat argument. It is actually an amazing achievement for a GM.

And even if you take out the Lebron years, which you shouldn't as explained above, Miami has 1 title, 2 Final Appearances and 5 CF appearances over 23 years along with a good RS winning %. That comfortably puts Mia in the top quarter of franchises.

[nikster]

Almost half those wins are from the 4 years Lebron was there

LeBron was a member of the Miami Heat, yes.

Thank you, Pat Riley!

I've never understood the idea that Pat being able to help recruit a GOAT level player at his peak to a city he has no connection to, and that isn't NYC/LA which easily draws free agents, is an anti-Pat argument. It is actually an amazing achievement for a GM.

And even if you take out the Lebron years, which you shouldn't as explained above, Miami has 1 title, 2 Final Appearances and 5 CF appearances over 23 years along with a good RS winning %. That comfortably puts Mia in the top quarter of franchises.

He did his part opening up the cap space, but as far as I'm aware Lebron came to Miami because of his connection Wade and them not not wanting to playing Cleveland. Id also say Miami is a pretty desirable destination

I still think he's an elite executive, and Miami one of the best run franchises. Just think that win total is elevated by a GOAT joining then in free agency, which is largely out of his control

[sp6r=underrated]

LeBron was a member of the Miami Heat, yes.

Thank you, Pat Riley!

I've never understood the idea that Pat being able to help recruit a GOAT level player at his peak to a city he has no connection to, and that isn't NYC/LA which easily draws free agents, is an anti-Pat argument. It is actually an amazing achievement for a GM.

And even if you take out the Lebron years, which you shouldn't as explained above, Miami has 1 title, 2 Final Appearances and 5 CF appearances over 23 years along with a good RS winning %. That comfortably puts Mia in the top quarter of franchises.

He did his part opening up the cap space, but as far as I'm aware Lebron came to Miami because of his connection Wade and them not not wanting to playing Cleveland. Id also say Miami is a pretty desirable destination

I still think he's an elite executive, and Miami one of the best run franchises. Just think that win total is elevated by a GOAT joining then in free agency, which is largely out of his control

One of my views on NBA teams is there are 4 teams with huge advantages (Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Clippers) due to the appeal of NYC & LA. The Knicks squandered that advantage. The Lakers for most of their history combined smart management with that advantage to make them a juggernaut. And the Clippers/Nets have only started leaning into it.

There are also a few teams that are in markets that make it a lot harder either due to lack of money (New Orleans) or lack of player appeal.

But most NBA teams are basically the same: Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta. I don't see any difference between these cities. That Lebron went there was largely Wade but if Riley had done a bad job for Wade, he wouldn't have wanted to come and they would have went elsewhere. But Riley largely did a good job, good supporting cast rookie year, getting Shaq and having the good sense to get rid of Shaq. So I think you have to give him some credit for Lebron signing

[Flash4thewin]

I've never understood the idea that Pat being able to help recruit a GOAT level player at his peak to a city he has no connection to, and that isn't NYC/LA which easily draws free agents, is an anti-Pat argument. It is actually an amazing achievement for a GM.

And even if you take out the Lebron years, which you shouldn't as explained above, Miami has 1 title, 2 Final Appearances and 5 CF appearances over 23 years along with a good RS winning %. That comfortably puts Mia in the top quarter of franchises.

He did his part opening up the cap space, but as far as I'm aware Lebron came to Miami because of his connection Wade and them not not wanting to playing Cleveland. Id also say Miami is a pretty desirable destination

I still think he's an elite executive, and Miami one of the best run franchises. Just think that win total is elevated by a GOAT joining then in free agency, which is largely out of his control

One of my views on NBA teams is there are 4 teams with huge advantages (Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Clippers) due to the appeal of NYC & LA. The Knicks squandered that advantage. The Lakers for most of their history combined smart management with that advantage to make them a juggernaut. And the Clippers/Nets have only started leaning into it.

There are also a few teams that are in markets that make it a lot harder either due to lack of money (New Orleans) or lack of player appeal.

But most NBA teams are basically the same: Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta. I don't see any difference between these cities. That Lebron went there was largely Wade but if Riley had done a bad job for Wade, he wouldn't have wanted to come and they would have went elsewhere. But Riley largely did a good job, good supporting cast rookie year, getting Shaq and having the good sense to get rid of Shaq. So I think you have to give him some credit for Lebron signing

Did you just honestly say you saw no difference between the city of MIami, and Dallas, Chicago and Atlanta?

[sp6r=underrated]

He did his part opening up the cap space, but as far as I'm aware Lebron came to Miami because of his connection Wade and them not not wanting to playing Cleveland. Id also say Miami is a pretty desirable destination

I still think he's an elite executive, and Miami one of the best run franchises. Just think that win total is elevated by a GOAT joining then in free agency, which is largely out of his control

One of my views on NBA teams is there are 4 teams with huge advantages (Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Clippers) due to the appeal of NYC & LA. The Knicks squandered that advantage. The Lakers for most of their history combined smart management with that advantage to make them a juggernaut. And the Clippers/Nets have only started leaning into it.

There are also a few teams that are in markets that make it a lot harder either due to lack of money (New Orleans) or lack of player appeal.

But most NBA teams are basically the same: Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta. I don't see any difference between these cities. That Lebron went there was largely Wade but if Riley had done a bad job for Wade, he wouldn't have wanted to come and they would have went elsewhere. But Riley largely did a good job, good supporting cast rookie year, getting Shaq and having the good sense to get rid of Shaq. So I think you have to give him some credit for Lebron signing

Did you just honestly say you saw no difference between the city of MIami, and Dallas, Chicago and Atlanta?

in player appeal, I think they equal out as roughly equal. Obviously there are difference but I think when you grade it out they average similar. Chicago/Dallas produce a ton of NBA players and a lot of people like living near home. Atlanta is a non-NYC/LA entertainment hub. Miami has a great nightlife and no state income tax (a huge advantage)

[vincent]

He did his part opening up the cap space, but as far as I'm aware Lebron came to Miami because of his connection Wade and them not not wanting to playing Cleveland. Id also say Miami is a pretty desirable destination

I still think he's an elite executive, and Miami one of the best run franchises. Just think that win total is elevated by a GOAT joining then in free agency, which is largely out of his control

One of my views on NBA teams is there are 4 teams with huge advantages (Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Clippers) due to the appeal of NYC & LA. The Knicks squandered that advantage. The Lakers for most of their history combined smart management with that advantage to make them a juggernaut. And the Clippers/Nets have only started leaning into it.

There are also a few teams that are in markets that make it a lot harder either due to lack of money (New Orleans) or lack of player appeal.

But most NBA teams are basically the same: Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta. I don't see any difference between these cities. That Lebron went there was largely Wade but if Riley had done a bad job for Wade, he wouldn't have wanted to come and they would have went elsewhere. But Riley largely did a good job, good supporting cast rookie year, getting Shaq and having the good sense to get rid of Shaq. So I think you have to give him some credit for Lebron signing

Did you just honestly say you saw no difference between the city of MIami, and Dallas, Chicago and Atlanta?

I don't even live in Miami anymore, and I was thinking the same thing ..
Plus that no-state tax to a millionaire is huge .
How about the weather, the beaches on X-mas day can be in the 90's.

[KingDavid]

I've never understood the idea that Pat being able to help recruit a GOAT level player at his peak to a city he has no connection to, and that isn't NYC/LA which easily draws free agents, is an anti-Pat argument. It is actually an amazing achievement for a GM.

And even if you take out the Lebron years, which you shouldn't as explained above, Miami has 1 title, 2 Final Appearances and 5 CF appearances over 23 years along with a good RS winning %. That comfortably puts Mia in the top quarter of franchises.

He did his part opening up the cap space, but as far as I'm aware Lebron came to Miami because of his connection Wade and them not not wanting to playing Cleveland. Id also say Miami is a pretty desirable destination

I still think he's an elite executive, and Miami one of the best run franchises. Just think that win total is elevated by a GOAT joining then in free agency, which is largely out of his control

One of my views on NBA teams is there are 4 teams with huge advantages (Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Clippers) due to the appeal of NYC & LA. The Knicks squandered that advantage. The Lakers for most of their history combined smart management with that advantage to make them a juggernaut. And the Clippers/Nets have only started leaning into it.

There are also a few teams that are in markets that make it a lot harder either due to lack of money (New Orleans) or lack of player appeal.

But most NBA teams are basically the same: Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta. I don't see any difference between these cities. That Lebron went there was largely Wade but if Riley had done a bad job for Wade, he wouldn't have wanted to come and they would have went elsewhere. But Riley largely did a good job, good supporting cast rookie year, getting Shaq and having the good sense to get rid of Shaq. So I think you have to give him some credit for Lebron signing

I grew up and currently live down here. This is probably the most incorrect take I have ever seen about Miami. I don't even know where to begin. It is NOTHING like Dallas, Atlanta, or, lmfao, Chicago. We're more like NY than any of the cities you've mentioned. It's a melting pot of cultures and backgrounds.

[sp6r=underrated]

He did his part opening up the cap space, but as far as I'm aware Lebron came to Miami because of his connection Wade and them not not wanting to playing Cleveland. Id also say Miami is a pretty desirable destination

I still think he's an elite executive, and Miami one of the best run franchises. Just think that win total is elevated by a GOAT joining then in free agency, which is largely out of his control

One of my views on NBA teams is there are 4 teams with huge advantages (Knicks/Lakers/Nets/Clippers) due to the appeal of NYC & LA. The Knicks squandered that advantage. The Lakers for most of their history combined smart management with that advantage to make them a juggernaut. And the Clippers/Nets have only started leaning into it.

There are also a few teams that are in markets that make it a lot harder either due to lack of money (New Orleans) or lack of player appeal.

But most NBA teams are basically the same: Miami, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta. I don't see any difference between these cities. That Lebron went there was largely Wade but if Riley had done a bad job for Wade, he wouldn't have wanted to come and they would have went elsewhere. But Riley largely did a good job, good supporting cast rookie year, getting Shaq and having the good sense to get rid of Shaq. So I think you have to give him some credit for Lebron signing

I grew up and currently live down here. This is probably the most incorrect take I have ever seen about Miami. I don't even know where to begin. It is NOTHING like Dallas, Atlanta, or, lmfao, Chicago. We're more like NY than any of the cities you've mentioned. It's a melting pot of cultures and backgrounds.

I think this was a poorly worded phrase on my part. A lot of posters are misinterpreting the sentence in the same which indicates a badly written sentence.

What "I don't see any difference between these cities." was intended to mean was "I don't see any significant advantage between these cities when you compare them in the aggregate." Miami has a lot of things going for it but so do Atlanta (larger media hub), Chicago/Dallas (home to much more NBA players/better local business opportunities) etc.

I don't deny Miami is different than these cities. I dispute it has a significant advantage over these cities.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

Injuries did us in... But it's our fault for going for Lowry and paying Duncan Robinson that ridiculous contract. Would've easily been us in the finals and beating GSW black and blue now..

[dolphinatik]

Freak injuries derailed the bubnle run (Dragic) and this run (Morris, jimmy, herro, Lowry, dedmon). On any given night they can give you a run with a balanced attack on both ends. Coaching and scouting will replenish the coffers with guys that buy in. Treadmill playoff deep team doesn't sound all that bad.