[Jake Fisher] The word surrounding OG Anunoby’s trade candidacy

[Spida888]

OG has the 7th most win shares from his draft class and would probably be a spot or two higher if he played more games. If you did a re-draft, he'd be one of the top picks. If you review all the recent drafts, OG would go in the top 10 in re-drafts.

Around draft time, people tend overestimate what you actually get at pick #7. The chances are, the player you take won't be as good as OG. If you look at the last 10 #7 overall picks, there's probably only 1 guy you'd take over OG, Jamal Murray, and even he's a question mark now given his injury. The last 10 #7 picks include H Barnes, Noel, Randle, Mudiay, Murray, Markkanen, Carter Jr, C White, Hayes, Kuminga.

Even as well as the Raptors draft, the quality of player you get is still somewhat dependent on the strength of the draft. If the Raps are really sure about a player at #7, maybe you consider it, but coming out ahead in a trade like this is still tough.

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

Deals like this usually get done on draft night because you don't know who's going to fall. Plus I think Blazers technically can't trade their 7th pick until the player is drafted due to the Stepian rule (POR still owes CHI a lotto protected FRP).

OakleyDokely, I'm with you that its a risk for sure that #7 may not turn out to be as good as OG. The pro though is the drafted player will be on a rookie contract and we will have control of keeping them for the next 7 years if we choose to. Whereas, OG may still leave in 2 years.

Definitely a gamble, and I'm leaning towards FO doesn't do it because the FVV and Trent contracts expiring increases the risk further.

[WuTang_CMB]

I wouldnt mind a sign and trade with OG, Flynn, multiple firsts and pick swaps for Ayton

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Lol

[Rodrickle]

Portland would be more inclined to make a strong offer therefore but I don't think Indiana will give us what we want. They are rebuilding so the 6th pick has a ton of value to them and they are not getting rid of Haliburton either.

The Kings pick is interesting. I don't think we could fleece them for #4 but if they are really interested in OG, it could get interesting. Barnes,4 for OG, 33 and 2023 first. Yeah, probably not but you never know with the Kings.


It's fun to think about being able to choose from Banchero/Ivey/Sharpe etc. at #4 though. Could set up the franchise for the next decade and who knows when we get to draft high again.

Indy has been link to OG in the past via Turner. They could view it as they could get OG all while keeping Turner now. And slotting OG next to Turner, Hield, Brogdan, Hali gives a still young starting 5 with Duarte off the bench.

That's the thing with OG, you know what you are getting and don't have to wait 2-4 years to get it. And he is still young enough to improve.

I'm not interested in Turner for OG at all.

I'd consider if they threw in Duarte

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[aroc23]

Portland is not trading Simons and #7 for OG. Come on now

Probably not without the Raptors adding a ton more, but I think they are really in for a disappointing season if they plan on pairing Dame and Simons together. That is likely the worst defending backcourt of all time. Simons is actually smaller and a worse defender than McCollum. The advanced stats show that McCollum is actually in tier above Simons defensively, which should be really scary for Portland.

[alienchild]

Indy has been link to OG in the past via Turner. They could view it as they could get OG all while keeping Turner now. And slotting OG next to Turner, Hield, Brogdan, Hali gives a still young starting 5 with Duarte off the bench.

That's the thing with OG, you know what you are getting and don't have to wait 2-4 years to get it. And he is still young enough to improve.

I'm not interested in Turner for OG at all.

I'd consider if they threw in Duarte

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I wish people would learn to read, dammit.

[DreamTeam09]

Can't believe this is 37 pages long now and the best that's been put forth is #7 and fluff or Turner n fluff. We are now underrating the ability of a lockdown wing who doesn't have to be the focus point of the offensive side of the ball but still isn't a liability out there.

Boston doesn't have that wing who doesn't have to shoulder the offensive load, GSw has that in Wiggins, but they're paying him +10 more to do that

[YogurtProducer]

Can't believe this is 37 pages long now and the best that's been put forth is #7 and fluff or Turner n fluff. We are now underrating the ability of a lockdown wing who doesn't have to be the focus point of the offensive side of the ball but still isn't a liability out there.

Boston doesn't have that wing who doesn't have to shoulder the offensive load, GSw has that in Wiggins, but they're paying him +10 more to do that

You got to give up value to get value.

The thing is trading OG is risky - if it pays off it is an incredible deal and if#7 turns into a bust we lose entirely. But of Siakam/Barnes/OG, OG is the most expendable IMO.

The dude simply cant stay healthy long enough for me to trust him

[mademan]

I would hope that the reason you trade OG is because you think his spacing and defense can be replaced somewhat by Precious in the starting lineup and you get a high potential guard out of it. Makes no sense to trade OG for Ayton or Turner

[Morse Code]

OG has the 7th most win shares from his draft class and would probably be a spot or two higher if he played more games. If you did a re-draft, he'd be one of the top picks. If you review all the recent drafts, OG would go in the top 10 in re-drafts.

Around draft time, people tend overestimate what you actually get at pick #7. The chances are, the player you take won't be as good as OG. If you look at the last 10 #7 overall picks, there's probably only 1 guy you'd take over OG, Jamal Murray, and even he's a question mark now given his injury. The last 10 #7 picks include H Barnes, Noel, Randle, Mudiay, Murray, Markkanen, Carter Jr, C White, Hayes, Kuminga.

Even as well as the Raptors draft, the quality of player you get is still somewhat dependent on the strength of the draft. If the Raps are really sure about a player at #7, maybe you consider it, but coming out ahead in a trade like this is still tough.

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

No these kinds of deals happen on draft night. For all we know it could already be set in stone and agreed to. No point in assuming either way though yet.

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[OakleyDokely]

Obviously they wouldn’t consider it if they didn’t have faith in a particular guy at 7 though, so that’s kind of a moot point


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Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

No these kinds of deals happen on draft night. For all we know it could already be set in stone and agreed to. No point in assuming either way though yet.

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When was the last time a team traded a top 7 pick outright on draft night? I seriously can't remember. I remember teams moving up a few spots or down a few spots, but trading a pick that high outright is very rare.

[Madhouse]

If you trade OG, you also got to wonder what these means for the coming years. Do we then want to slowly phase out Siakam and FVV in 2-3 years time and build an entirely new young core with possibly higher potential and cost and contract control?

OG is going to turn 25 and basically right in the middle between Barnes and Siakam/FVV age wise.

So you wouldn't gun for a championship replacing a win now player with a 19-21 year rookie but you could still compete and build a younger, more talented core in the mean time.

If we love a player in the draft I would support a trade but I also think there would need some further moves in the future.

[douggood]

Seems like they're not a fan of the guys at 7, at least not enough to give up OG, otherwise the deal would be done.

No these kinds of deals happen on draft night. For all we know it could already be set in stone and agreed to. No point in assuming either way though yet.

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When was the last time a team traded a top 7 pick outright on draft night? I seriously can't remember. I remember teams moving up a few spots or down a few spots, but trading a pick that high outright, is very rare.

i looked into it, as you said most moves involve moving forward/back.
more often than not, when the lotto picks are traded they are traded years in advance (see lakers/clippers pick this year)

otherwise draft week trades involving lotto picks.
2021 - nop/griz traded 10 for 17, but was a much bigger trade with adams/jonas, eric bledsoe salary dump, future lakers pick
2020 - nothing
2019 - atl moves from 8 to 4, #8/17/35/ future 1st/ take back negative salary solomon hill 1 yr 12 mil for #4
suns move down from 5(jarett cluver) to 11(cam johnson), also got dario saric inreturn
2018 - doncic/tre trade. 3 for 5 and furture 1st (#10 cam reddish)
sixers trade #10(bridges) for #16(zaire smith) and future 1st
2017 - fultz/tatum trade
jimmy butler trade to min, that involved min trading pick 7, but got back 15 from chicago
2016- kings trade #8 (marquiss chriss) to suns for #13(papagiannis) #28(skal) and rights to bogdanovic
magic trade olidipo and pick #11 for ibaka
2015 - nothing
2014 - #1 wiggins for love
#10(elfrid payton) for #12(saric) and future 1st

so ibaka to magic was last time a lotto pick was traded outright. what a terrible trade

[WuTang_CMB]

I'm only trading OG if they think he's pretty much hit his ceiling as a player (elite 3 and D player) and that he won't take that next step as an iso/creator 1 on 1 .... and for a player which they think will be better than him down the line ie. Dyson Daniels as an SGA type.

If they don't think that, then don't do it and just keep building

[ATLTimekeeper]

Wiggins was traded way later because LeBron made his decision and then just let them slow negotiate for weeks.

[mademan]

Where do people stand on Precious eventually replacing OG tho? I dont think he's as good, obv, but if you think you can get 80% of OG from Precious, does that change your stance on moving OG?

[WuTang_CMB]

Where do people stand on Precious eventually replacing OG tho? I dont think he's as good, obv, but if you think you can get 80% of OG from Precious, does that change your stance on moving OG?

It's a good question to have especially if we plan to get that 5 we all want

Precious is the #2 defender on the team and on OG's tail for that top spot. He was really good last season.

IBut it will come down to his offense and if Precious can really make that job this season with his shooting and just his overall game, then I don't see why not he can't be OG's "replacement". If

FVV
Scottie
Precious
Siakam
Poeltl type

That could be the lineup in a year or 2 with Dyson behind FVV to take his spot.

[mihaic]

I wouldnt mind a sign and trade with OG, Flynn, multiple firsts and pick swaps for Ayton

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Lol

Look at the user name. He wants to bring Hoffa back







Probably sarcasm.

[Morris_Shatford]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037274-latest-nba-offseason-intel-does-og-anunoby-want-out-of-toronto
Long report on OG, some snippets

Two sources with knowledge of the dynamic told B/R that Anunoby has not directly expressed discontent with his situation with the Raptors. Perhaps the conversation around him has been driven more by external interest in acquiring the fifth-year forward's services

Dating back to the trade deadline, sources said, the Raptors have postured with opposing teams that all of their "top six," including Anunoby, Barnes, Siakam, VanVleet, Gary Trent Jr. and Precious Achiuwa, are untouchable in trade conversation. But Toronto is also widely known to covet a starting center.

Its a fun discussion to have,
Its summer, we are bored, the draft is coming and news is largely minimal and sporadic.
However within the story itself it seems to dismiss itself.

The above two quotes are essentially saying

Quote 1) There doesn't appear to be an issue with OG and the team and that the conversation around him is based on a lot of teams likely wanting to get their hands on two fairly cheap years of OG

Quote 2) Masai apparently made it clear he didn't want to move his "top six" yet because we are tied to every starting center who is or may become available somehow we would trade out of our top six?

The story is called "Does OG want out of Toronto" yet it essentially acknowledges he doesn't.
Its not BR's greatest work.

[vulture]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037274-latest-nba-offseason-intel-does-og-anunoby-want-out-of-toronto
Long report on OG, some snippets

Two sources with knowledge of the dynamic told B/R that Anunoby has not directly expressed discontent with his situation with the Raptors. Perhaps the conversation around him has been driven more by external interest in acquiring the fifth-year forward's services

Dating back to the trade deadline, sources said, the Raptors have postured with opposing teams that all of their "top six," including Anunoby, Barnes, Siakam, VanVleet, Gary Trent Jr. and Precious Achiuwa, are untouchable in trade conversation. But Toronto is also widely known to covet a starting center.

Its a fun discussion to have,
Its summer, we are bored, the draft is coming and news is largely minimal and sporadic.
However within the story itself it seems to dismiss itself.

The above two quotes are essentially saying

Quote 1) There doesn't appear to be an issue with OG and the team and that the conversation around him is based on a lot of teams likely wanting to get their hands on two fairly cheap years of OG

Quote 2) Masai apparently made it clear he didn't want to move his "top six" yet because we are tied to every starting center who is or may become available somehow we would trade out of our top six?

The story is called "Does OG want out of Toronto" yet it essentially acknowledges he doesn't.
Its not BR's greatest work.

To be fair, fischer did not write the headline, but it's true that OG wants to have a bigger role. I don't think he wants out and that just seems to be something Klutch is pushing for.

[Madhouse]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037274-latest-nba-offseason-intel-does-og-anunoby-want-out-of-toronto
Long report on OG, some snippets

Its a fun discussion to have,
Its summer, we are bored, the draft is coming and news is largely minimal and sporadic.
However within the story itself it seems to dismiss itself.

The above two quotes are essentially saying

Quote 1) There doesn't appear to be an issue with OG and the team and that the conversation around him is based on a lot of teams likely wanting to get their hands on two fairly cheap years of OG

Quote 2) Masai apparently made it clear he didn't want to move his "top six" yet because we are tied to every starting center who is or may become available somehow we would trade out of our top six?

The story is called "Does OG want out of Toronto" yet it essentially acknowledges he doesn't.
Its not BR's greatest work.

To be fair, fischer did not write the headline, but it's true that OG wants to have a bigger role. I don't think he wants out and that just seems to be something Klutch is pushing for.

A bigger role isn't exactly realistic. A smaller role might be.