Who do you want us to take at #1?

[Bensational]

ISOs are boring and always seem more risky than not in this era of basketball. It limits off-ball movement and the chance of getting a bucket/better look off an extra pass to an open look.

PnR ball handler + Versatile Big + Shooting & Off-ball movement will get you a good look probably more often than an ISO play, but I haven’t checked the numbers so I could be off.

The question is who will be our ball handlers? Franz, Fultz and Suggs are our current best guys. Does Paolo offer a significant upgrade over them? Personally, I don’t think so, but that’s not say he’s not or won’t ever be the better option. I’d rather continue investing in the growth of our current 3 than add Paolo as another set of hands needing time and reps.

Comparatively, Jabari steps right in as a shooting option to the above equation, and Chet could handle any role in it. What does Paolo do if Franz/Fultz/Suggs is running the play?

you think Suggs better ball handler than Cole? Sugg's handle is one of his biggest issues and question marks on improving, 2nd only to his shooting.

I think he's in the future plans for that role, for sure, but in that example I was specifically considering PnR ball-handler and playmaker. Cole is an iso ball handler, but he hasn't got the passing instincts to be a strong playmaker out of the PnR, so even with a weaker handle I think Suggs' vision is so superior I trust him to make the best read for the team and not just his own look at the rim. I'd put the ball in his hands to run PnR's next year, absolutely. He'll continue to make mistakes, but I'm fine with that because we have the time for development right now.

I suppose that begs the question - do I rate Suggs' playmaking over Banchero's? I do have a lot of faith in Suggs becoming a strong floor general in the future, but Banchero does have the physical profile to be an outlier if it all comes together. If we drafted Banchero then I'd expect to see the ball in his hands a lot, which will take it out of someone else's a little bit, though there's still plenty of touches for all four if lineups are staggered.

[zaymon]

ISOs are boring and always seem more risky than not in this era of basketball. It limits off-ball movement and the chance of getting a bucket/better look off an extra pass to an open look.

PnR ball handler + Versatile Big + Shooting & Off-ball movement will get you a good look probably more often than an ISO play, but I haven’t checked the numbers so I could be off.

The question is who will be our ball handlers? Franz, Fultz and Suggs are our current best guys. Does Paolo offer a significant upgrade over them? Personally, I don’t think so, but that’s not say he’s not or won’t ever be the better option. I’d rather continue investing in the growth of our current 3 than add Paolo as another set of hands needing time and reps.

Comparatively, Jabari steps right in as a shooting option to the above equation, and Chet could handle any role in it. What does Paolo do if Franz/Fultz/Suggs is running the play?

Best teams can attack in different ways, and isolations are one of them. Both GSW and BOS have players who score points in isolations. Celtics offense is a lot more iso heavy and we build our roster similar to them becouse we dont have hof shooters who can also dribble and pass like gsw have.
Wagner/Banchero combo would be different than Brown/Tatum. I think it would be more balanced in terms of offense, less iso centric. Still we need iso aspect in our offense like fish needs water.
Building around Jabari feels like building around Porzingis. Ball stopping shooter who in the end is hurting team offense and chemistry.

[Bensational]

ISOs are boring and always seem more risky than not in this era of basketball. It limits off-ball movement and the chance of getting a bucket/better look off an extra pass to an open look.

PnR ball handler + Versatile Big + Shooting & Off-ball movement will get you a good look probably more often than an ISO play, but I haven’t checked the numbers so I could be off.

The question is who will be our ball handlers? Franz, Fultz and Suggs are our current best guys. Does Paolo offer a significant upgrade over them? Personally, I don’t think so, but that’s not say he’s not or won’t ever be the better option. I’d rather continue investing in the growth of our current 3 than add Paolo as another set of hands needing time and reps.

Comparatively, Jabari steps right in as a shooting option to the above equation, and Chet could handle any role in it. What does Paolo do if Franz/Fultz/Suggs is running the play?

Best teams can attack in different ways, and isolations are one of them. Both GSW and BOS have players who score points in isolations. Celtics offense is a lot more iso heavy and we build our roster similar to them becouse we dont have hof shooters who can also dribble and pass like gsw have.
Wagner/Banchero combo would be different than Brown/Tatum. I think it would be more balanced in terms of offense, less iso centric. Still we need iso aspect in our offense like fish needs water.
Building around Jabari feels like building around Porzingis. Ball stopping shooter who in the end is hurting team offense and chemistry.

We need capable shooting in our offense much more than we need ISO play - or are you still hungry for more Cole-time? What our team has lacked for years is a reliable outside gunner who can finish a play after Fultz/Franz drives and kicks. We have guys who can start plays, just not enough who can finish them reliably.

Banchero would be much more of a ball-stopper than Jabari, though. He needs to run a play from beginning to end.

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[ChiefWiggumz]

ISOs are boring and always seem more risky than not in this era of basketball. It limits off-ball movement and the chance of getting a bucket/better look off an extra pass to an open look.

PnR ball handler + Versatile Big + Shooting & Off-ball movement will get you a good look probably more often than an ISO play, but I haven’t checked the numbers so I could be off.

The question is who will be our ball handlers? Franz, Fultz and Suggs are our current best guys. Does Paolo offer a significant upgrade over them? Personally, I don’t think so, but that’s not say he’s not or won’t ever be the better option. I’d rather continue investing in the growth of our current 3 than add Paolo as another set of hands needing time and reps.

Comparatively, Jabari steps right in as a shooting option to the above equation, and Chet could handle any role in it. What does Paolo do if Franz/Fultz/Suggs is running the play?

Best teams can attack in different ways, and isolations are one of them. Both GSW and BOS have players who score points in isolations. Celtics offense is a lot more iso heavy and we build our roster similar to them becouse we dont have hof shooters who can also dribble and pass like gsw have.
Wagner/Banchero combo would be different than Brown/Tatum. I think it would be more balanced in terms of offense, less iso centric. Still we need iso aspect in our offense like fish needs water.
Building around Jabari feels like building around Porzingis. Ball stopping shooter who in the end is hurting team offense and chemistry.

We need capable shooting in our offense much more than we need ISO play - or are you still hungry for more Cole-time? What our team has lacked for years is a reliable outside gunner who can finish a play after Fultz/Franz drives and kicks. We have guys who can start plays, just not enough who can finish them reliably.

Banchero would be much more of a ball-stopper than Jabari, though. He needs to run a play from beginning to end.

Totally agree. I am personally team Jabari. But i'd be happy with either Jabari or Chet. I think each player shapes our future a bit differently. Jabari fits our current roster like a glove. Either way, I still think we will need to find a dynamic scorer at guard down the line. But both players help us sure up our front court for years to come, on both sides of the floor.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Everyone’s just splitting hairs. Any of the three guys would improve us. Neither of them will likely be used the same way in the NBA like they were in college. Auburn gave the ball to Jabari more towards the end of the season and he struggled in the areas all the paid professional scouts said he’d struggle at. Shocker. The NBA is a different animal though. You can’t go wrong on a team that’s lacking talent.
The good thing about this team is that it’s an unfinished product. They get to choose how to build it. Banchero is a go to scorer, Chets more of a defender but with sick handles for a 7 footer. More of an All around game. Jabari is a shooter and defender. What you’re getting right now with these guys is likely what their strengths will be as their careers progress. Banchero will probably never be a great defender, Chet will likely never be a thick muscular dude, Jabari will likely not ever be good handling the ball.

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These are things you just like to hear. Sure he's supposed to say this, but I just didn't hear these sort of statements during the Vuc/Evan/AG era.

Probabyl cuz Vin Diesel hasn't said it then

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[jonbob17]

I've officially moved to the Jabari camp.
I still believe Chet has the highest upside, but if he doesn't hit it (and so few do) then we'd have a really interesting and probably good center, but I just don't want the $ invested at that position.

I have got hesitations about Jabari, but the shot is real, and if he's a healthy version of MPJ with better defense that seems extremely valuable. At the very least I have to think he's a taller, much better defending Tobias Harris, and four years from now, i am more comfortable paying that guy his rookie max extension, than a center who is still very much a project.

I know people say you should draft for highest outcomes, but I think you gotta consider the liklihood of outcomes too. If everything broke right for Shaedeon Sharpe or Ivey, their upside immense too, but so much risk and development that would need to happen to get there. TBH I really like Paolo too, especially his passing. Feels like he could be the guy 3 years from now, people say what was Orlando smoking.

Jabari feels like a sure thing, still with plenty of upside. None of these guys are great fits with how many PFs we have already invested in, but so it goes, i'll be sad to see some of these guys move on or not pan out, but a young core of Suggs, Wagner, Jabari, and (maybe)WCJ, seems like it could develop into something. Add a good FA at some point, you know i could see that as a top 4 team in the East. I am squinting.

We just need Suggs to get it going. He's got a lot of work to do. I believe, though. I see a future all star. It was a tough year, but the athleticism is there, and we can't ignore what he was able to do in college.

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[thelead]

Everyone’s just splitting hairs. Any of the three guys would improve us. Neither of them will likely be used the same way in the NBA like they were in college. Auburn gave the ball to Jabari more towards the end of the season and he struggled in the areas all the paid professional scouts said he’d struggle at. Shocker. The NBA is a different animal though. You can’t go wrong on a team that’s lacking talent.
The good thing about this team is that it’s an unfinished product. They get to choose how to build it. Banchero is a go to scorer, Chets more of a defender but with sick handles for a 7 footer. More of an All around game. Jabari is a shooter and defender. What you’re getting right now with these guys is likely what their strengths will be as their careers progress. Banchero will probably never be a great defender, Chet will likely never be a thick muscular dude, Jabari will likely not ever be good handling the ball.

100% but I’m not on the Banchero bandwagon. This league is still about defense and Paolo is not special enough on offense to ignore how much better Chet and Jabari project to be as 2-way players. If we had the 3rd pick, I would entertain the idea but we lucked into the top pick. This pick has to be Jabari, who I prefer, or Chet.

[drsd]

100% but I’m not on the Banchero bandwagon. This league is still about defense and Paolo is not special enough on offense to ignore how much better Chet and Jabari project to be as 2-way players. If we had the 3rd pick, I would entertain the idea but we lucked into the top pick. This pick has to be Jabari, who I prefer, or Chet.

When watching your video of Fultz, having Smith to dump the ball down to, these will be a great 2-man team on quick sets.
(Look at Bamba on the play in totally the wrong position to do, really, Anything.)

[tiderulz]

Everyone’s just splitting hairs. Any of the three guys would improve us. Neither of them will likely be used the same way in the NBA like they were in college. Auburn gave the ball to Jabari more towards the end of the season and he struggled in the areas all the paid professional scouts said he’d struggle at. Shocker. The NBA is a different animal though. You can’t go wrong on a team that’s lacking talent.
The good thing about this team is that it’s an unfinished product. They get to choose how to build it. Banchero is a go to scorer, Chets more of a defender but with sick handles for a 7 footer. More of an All around game. Jabari is a shooter and defender. What you’re getting right now with these guys is likely what their strengths will be as their careers progress. Banchero will probably never be a great defender, Chet will likely never be a thick muscular dude, Jabari will likely not ever be good handling the ball.

100% but I’m not on the Banchero bandwagon. This league is still about defense and Paolo is not special enough on offense to ignore how much better Chet and Jabari project to be as 2-way players. If we had the 3rd pick, I would entertain the idea but we lucked into the top pick. This pick has to be Jabari, who I prefer, or Chet.

but team defense, not individual defense. Curry not a good defender. Luka not a good defender. Mitchell not a good defender. Morant not a good defender. you can have your defensive role players to go with your offensive players.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Everyone’s just splitting hairs. Any of the three guys would improve us. Neither of them will likely be used the same way in the NBA like they were in college. Auburn gave the ball to Jabari more towards the end of the season and he struggled in the areas all the paid professional scouts said he’d struggle at. Shocker. The NBA is a different animal though. You can’t go wrong on a team that’s lacking talent.
The good thing about this team is that it’s an unfinished product. They get to choose how to build it. Banchero is a go to scorer, Chets more of a defender but with sick handles for a 7 footer. More of an All around game. Jabari is a shooter and defender. What you’re getting right now with these guys is likely what their strengths will be as their careers progress. Banchero will probably never be a great defender, Chet will likely never be a thick muscular dude, Jabari will likely not ever be good handling the ball.

100% but I’m not on the Banchero bandwagon. This league is still about defense and Paolo is not special enough on offense to ignore how much better Chet and Jabari project to be as 2-way players. If we had the 3rd pick, I would entertain the idea but we lucked into the top pick. This pick has to be Jabari, who I prefer, or Chet.

but team defense, not individual defense. Curry not a good defender. Luka not a good defender. Mitchell not a good defender. Morant not a good defender. you can have your defensive role players to go with your offensive players.

yeah this was the point I was going to make. With a strong team defense You can hide the defensive deficiencies of some of the best players in the NBA.

[thelead]

100% but I’m not on the Banchero bandwagon. This league is still about defense and Paolo is not special enough on offense to ignore how much better Chet and Jabari project to be as 2-way players. If we had the 3rd pick, I would entertain the idea but we lucked into the top pick. This pick has to be Jabari, who I prefer, or Chet.

but team defense, not individual defense. Curry not a good defender. Luka not a good defender. Mitchell not a good defender. Morant not a good defender. you can have your defensive role players to go with your offensive players.

yeah this was the point I was going to make. With a strong team defense You can hide the defensive deficiencies of some of the best players in the NBA.

I get that. My point is that I don’t think Paolo is Curry/Luka special on offense to warrant the not-so-great defense. Surely, you guys don’t think Paolo is that special on offense.

[tiderulz]

but team defense, not individual defense. Curry not a good defender. Luka not a good defender. Mitchell not a good defender. Morant not a good defender. you can have your defensive role players to go with your offensive players.

yeah this was the point I was going to make. With a strong team defense You can hide the defensive deficiencies of some of the best players in the NBA.

I get that. My point is that I don’t think Paolo is Curry/Luka special on offense to warrant the not-so-great defense. Surely, you guys don’t think Paolo is that special on offense.

we never know. players always slip through scouts on draft night and then we look back and wonder what happened. I think Banchero could be really good. can he be "special", im not a good enough scout to make that determination. i do know, we dont have enough efficient offensive players on our team right now. he would likely be at worst our 3rd best offensive player and could be more than that. its a tough job this front office has with this draft with no clear cut #1.

[cedric76]

Everyone’s just splitting hairs. Any of the three guys would improve us. Neither of them will likely be used the same way in the NBA like they were in college. Auburn gave the ball to Jabari more towards the end of the season and he struggled in the areas all the paid professional scouts said he’d struggle at. Shocker. The NBA is a different animal though. You can’t go wrong on a team that’s lacking talent.
The good thing about this team is that it’s an unfinished product. They get to choose how to build it. Banchero is a go to scorer, Chets more of a defender but with sick handles for a 7 footer. More of an All around game. Jabari is a shooter and defender. What you’re getting right now with these guys is likely what their strengths will be as their careers progress. Banchero will probably never be a great defender, Chet will likely never be a thick muscular dude, Jabari will likely not ever be good handling the ball.

100% but I’m not on the Banchero bandwagon. This league is still about defense and Paolo is not special enough on offense to ignore how much better Chet and Jabari project to be as 2-way players. If we had the 3rd pick, I would entertain the idea but we lucked into the top pick. This pick has to be Jabari, who I prefer, or Chet.

but team defense, not individual defense. Curry not a good defender. Luka not a good defender. Mitchell not a good defender. Morant not a good defender. you can have your defensive role players to go with your offensive players.

All the players you mentioned , except Curry, are in front of their tv watching The finals

[thelead]

100% but I’m not on the Banchero bandwagon. This league is still about defense and Paolo is not special enough on offense to ignore how much better Chet and Jabari project to be as 2-way players. If we had the 3rd pick, I would entertain the idea but we lucked into the top pick. This pick has to be Jabari, who I prefer, or Chet.

but team defense, not individual defense. Curry not a good defender. Luka not a good defender. Mitchell not a good defender. Morant not a good defender. you can have your defensive role players to go with your offensive players.

All the players you mentioned , except Curry, are in front of their tv watching The finals

And Curry is a top-10 offensive player of ALL TIME. I would put money on the prediction that Paolo won't be that.

[IllMagic04]

but team defense, not individual defense. Curry not a good defender. Luka not a good defender. Mitchell not a good defender. Morant not a good defender. you can have your defensive role players to go with your offensive players.

yeah this was the point I was going to make. With a strong team defense You can hide the defensive deficiencies of some of the best players in the NBA.

I get that. My point is that I don’t think Paolo is Curry/Luka special on offense to warrant the not-so-great defense. Surely, you guys don’t think Paolo is that special on offense.

The thing is most people don't like to go out on a limb and predict "special" unless its pretty much a universal sure thing. Most didn't think Luka was gonna be a special offensive player hence why he didn't go number 1. How many drafts have you heard "there are no "superstars" but there are some good players in the draft" . Its a safe thing to say but we have seen over and over that it doesn't play out that way and there is a star. Alot of times more then one. I personally don't mind going out on a limb and I don't mind laughing at my self for being wrong. Ive been right on some but I got some true horrific takes on past drafts too. I say all that to say yes I do believe Banchero is going to be a special offensive player. I believe he will develop into a true 3 level scoring beast and that will also make players around him better. His off ball defense will be a significant work and progress for the first 2 o3 years in the league. His one on one defense isn't bad now. Its solid. Its his awareness that's bad and that's gonna take some time. I believe when we do a re draft 5 years from now Paolo and Ivey will be the top 2 players. I'm not including Sharpe cause I honestly have no pulse on him either way.

[thelead]

yeah this was the point I was going to make. With a strong team defense You can hide the defensive deficiencies of some of the best players in the NBA.

I get that. My point is that I don’t think Paolo is Curry/Luka special on offense to warrant the not-so-great defense. Surely, you guys don’t think Paolo is that special on offense.

The thing is most people don't like to go out on a limb and predict "special" unless its pretty much a universal sure thing. Most didn't think Luka was gonna be a special offensive player hence why he didn't go number 1. How many drafts have you heard "there are no "superstars" but there are some good players in the draft" . Its a safe thing to say but we have seen over and over that it doesn't play out that way and there is a star. Alot of times more then one. I personally don't mind going out on a limb and I don't mind laughing at my self for being wrong. Ive been right on some but I got some true horrific takes on past drafts too. I say all that to say yes I do believe Banchero is going to be a special offensive player. I believe he will develop into a true 3 level scoring beast and that will also make players around him better. His off ball defense will be a significant work and progress for the first 2 o3 years in the league. His one on one defense isn't bad now. Its solid. Its his awareness that's bad and that's gonna take some time. I believe when we do a re draft 5 years from now Paolo and Ivey will be the top 2 players. I'm not including Sharpe cause I honestly have no pulse on him either way.

IF you think he will be that good, I have no problem with you saying that you just fit him in. I just don't like the stance of 'I'm not sure if he'll be a superstar but I'll also ignore his pedestrian defense'. If you think he'll be a superstar, then sure, I have no problem with you saying that we don't need to worry about his defense.