Tatum VS Luka

[mabundo_nagumbe]

Tatum is not even the best player on his team

[Bob8]

Nobody can give you an answer what would have happened.

Like most things on this basketball board, we can give our speculative reasoning as to what we think would happen. And in that sense I am surely in the majority.

Bigger majority than we're seeing in poll Luka vs. Tatum and still having discussions, who is better?

I don't know, if it would have been enough, but Powell and the whole C position was far the biggest Mavs problem in WCF. Williams had 2 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 blocks more last night than Powell in the whole series. He's few classes better defensive player too. I'm sure that you agree how important rim protection is in basketball.

Curry is totally dominating Tatum in the Finals, it wasn't the case in WCF against Luka.

[Bob8]

So what exactly sets Luka apart from anyone ? He isn’t the best at literally anything? Neither is Tatum? They both really good - nearly equally so- I have Tatum better because his best offensive games equal to Luka and his defense is a million miles ahead -

So if all things close or equal - I gave the nod to the champion

Tatum isn't even half the offensive player Luka is. A guy who gives you 50 points one game and then 10 points the next game. He isn't carrying any mediocre team anywhere but the lottery.

Celtics are a very good balanced team that is all.

Luka had 20 against GSW in game one of a horrible game and then missed 10 threes against them to lose the series against GSW….we got a comparison against equal teams - Boston is a defensive juggernaut and Tatum is more than double what Luka is on defense -

Tatum is averaging 10 points less than Luka against Warriors with horrendous shooting.

Luka was the best player in WCF, Curry is a few classes better than Tatum in the Finals. Tatum is not even playing like a star. You would have been laughing at Luka, if he played series like that. 34 FG%?

[mpoo_sin]

Funny how the two Tatum Fanboys are MIA in all other threads (and in this one when they can not spin it any way that Tatum had a good game["lolz bbbbbuuutttt he had 13 assists!"].

Tatum is not even the best player on his team. Brown has a much greater impact than him.

[Mavrelous]

I'll admit, when the poll was created, I thought they are totally different tier players, but this PO run has brought them closer, I still take Luka though, w/o hesitation.

[sunsbg]

I'll admit, when the poll was created, I thought they are totally different tier players, but this PO run has brought them closer, I still take Luka though, w/o hesitation.

This is where I am as well. Tatum has turned into a very well-rounded player with the playmaking he's shown in the playoffs. He's not at the same level as a scorer, but that's probably the easiest part for a player to develop and he has potential to do it. Luka is a more clutch player certainly. He has more experience in important games, but Tatum can improve with more experience as well. Right now, picking Luka though.

[Pennebaker]

I'll admit, when the poll was created, I thought they are totally different tier players, but this PO run has brought them closer, I still take Luka though, w/o hesitation.

This is where I am as well. Tatum has turned into a very well-rounded player with the playmaking he's shown in the playoffs. He's not at the same level as a scorer, but that's probably the easiest part for a player to develop and he has potential to do it. Luka is a more clutch player certainly. He has more experience in important games, but Tatum can improve with more experience as well. Right now, picking Luka though.

To me it's not even about their games. Luka is wired to be a superstar whereas Tatum still has to learn how to act like one. The biggest difference between them is in self confidence.

[Bob8]

I'll admit, when the poll was created, I thought they are totally different tier players, but this PO run has brought them closer, I still take Luka though, w/o hesitation.

This is where I am as well. Tatum has turned into a very well-rounded player with the playmaking he's shown in the playoffs. He's not at the same level as a scorer, but that's probably the easiest part for a player to develop and he has potential to do it. Luka is a more clutch player certainly. He has more experience in important games, but Tatum can improve with more experience as well. Right now, picking Luka though.

To me it's not even about their games. Luka is wired to be a superstar whereas Tatum still has to learn how to act like one. The biggest difference between them is in self confidence.

And it all starts from his performance in Europe, which many Americans don't recognise as legit. He has won everything there and came as superstar in Nba. He has no fear whatsoever and he doesn't doubt about his ability to win.

[DroseReturnChi]

I'll admit, when the poll was created, I thought they are totally different tier players, but this PO run has brought them closer, I still take Luka though, w/o hesitation.

tatum just looks good bc he takes all the shots and assists with his insane usage for a 3 and D. the difference is luka would have scored 20ppg on elite efficiency with more than 10 assists in a stacked boston team. lukas greatest asset is he can adapt and we will soon see off ball version as soon as someone like brown teams up.

[3toheadmelo]

Imagine saying Tatum isn’t the best player on their team. Luka stans have some terrible arguments. Just like how they schit on their team mates for being so bad yet they went 2-1 without Luka

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[zonedefense]

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Tatum is not on the same level as other elite shot creators. Luka among the best if not the best in the league. I think that is the main difference in close situation.

[sunsbg]

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Tatum is not on the same level as other elite shot creators. Luka among the best if not the best in the league. I think that is the main difference in close situation.

Brunson getting a max. A future superstar.

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Tatum is not on the same level as other elite shot creators. Luka among the best if not the best in the league. I think that is the main difference in close situation.

Brunson getting a max. A future superstar.

He came alive during these playoffs that's true. He's absolutely sensational on how he can get in to the paint and then pivot around to score at the rim. He is still strictly more or less just a scorer but he's one of my favorite Mavs and i would hate to see him go.

[sunsbg]

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Tatum is not on the same level as other elite shot creators. Luka among the best if not the best in the league. I think that is the main difference in close situation.

Brunson getting a max. A future superstar.

He came alive during these playoffs that's true. He's absolutely sensational on how he can get in to the paint and then pivot around to score at the rim. He is still strictly more or less just a scorer but he's one of my favorite Mavs and i would hate to see him go.

Yeah, I just found it funny as according to this tweet Luka had the best supporting cast with two other Mavs players in the top 10 and Brunson with a higher % than Giannis.

[Archx]

Spoiler:

Brunson getting a max. A future superstar.

He came alive during these playoffs that's true. He's absolutely sensational on how he can get in to the paint and then pivot around to score at the rim. He is still strictly more or less just a scorer but he's one of my favorite Mavs and i would hate to see him go.

Yeah, I just found it funny as according to this tweet Luka had the best supporting cast with two other Mavs players in the top 10 and Brunson with a higher % than Giannis.

Yeah but keep in mind that Mavs didn't lose playoffs on offense, they lost on defense. If people say that Doncic is a "tragic" defender, the term that was used here, what word can you use to describe Brunson and Dinwiddie then? ... But then we circle around to the same story we repeat time and time again, GSW simply killed Mavs under the rim and with rebounds, there is no other way to spin it.

Mavs even found a way to limit Curry but they also found a way to be beaten by Looney

[zonedefense]

Spoiler:

Brunson getting a max. A future superstar.

He came alive during these playoffs that's true. He's absolutely sensational on how he can get in to the paint and then pivot around to score at the rim. He is still strictly more or less just a scorer but he's one of my favorite Mavs and i would hate to see him go.

Yeah, I just found it funny as according to this tweet Luka had the best supporting cast with two other Mavs players in the top 10 and Brunson with a higher % than Giannis.

Not sure if a player that is creating a lot of shots on below average efficiency (Dinwiddie) is making the case for a great supporting cast. Mavs roster lacks balance. They have 2-3 capable ballhandlers that cannot really play off the ball. Rest of the players are solid catch and shoot options but every time they put the ball on the floor I expect a turnover.

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[Mavrelous]

Not sure if a player that is creating a lot of shots on below average efficiency (Dinwiddie) is making the case for a great supporting cast. Mavs roster lacks balance. They have 2-3 capable ballhandlers that cannot really play off the ball. Rest of the players are solid catch and shoot options but every time they put the ball on the floor I expect a turnover.

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It got them to the WCF this year, and last year Brunson was MIA, KP on one leg, and they still took a contender level team to 7 with meltdown in game 3 and Luka playing injured in game 4.
The team is short upgrading Powell to a 30 MPG legit starting center who can rebound and protect the rim of being a contender IMO.

[ChartFiction]

Neither of your stats show anything except that Doncic is a high usage ballstopper and building around Doncic-ball creates a decrepit iso roster, both of which are already known.

[CobraCommander]

Tatum isn't even half the offensive player Luka is. A guy who gives you 50 points one game and then 10 points the next game. He isn't carrying any mediocre team anywhere but the lottery.

Celtics are a very good balanced team that is all.

Luka had 20 against GSW in game one of a horrible game and then missed 10 threes against them to lose the series against GSW….we got a comparison against equal teams - Boston is a defensive juggernaut and Tatum is more than double what Luka is on defense -

Tatum is averaging 10 points less than Luka against Warriors with horrendous shooting.

Luka was the best player in WCF, Curry is a few classes better than Tatum in the Finals. Tatum is not even playing like a star. You would have been laughing at Luka, if he played series like that. 34 FG%?

No Luka wasn’t the best- he was getting empty stats - had 20’point scorers next to him every game and losing each game while playing horrible defense… PER LUKA-

You guys don’t get- Luka in game 1 and in game 5 COST the mavs the series and Dinwiddie was good in those games - Wiggins was getting what he wanted against Luka -

Look the GSW was toying with the mavs - Luka included -! Getting 21 in the 4th quarter of a game that was out of hand to get you empty calorie stats is such bs. You guys want to give Luka credit for losing while Tatum is winning - have fun.

[Archx]

Neither of your stats show anything except that Doncic is a high usage ballstopper and building around Doncic-ball creates a decrepit iso roster, both of which are already known.

Is this another "Trust me bro' because i said so" argument?

Luka generated 121.4 points per chance against the Warriors on that high pick-and-roll, now compare that to prime Harden (91.6 points per chance during those conference finals).

Offense was the last of Mavs problems against GSW, or in these playoffs in general. They even had a higher ORTG than Celtics have right now on a slower pace lol.