Bradley Beal - Part IV

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"Time" doesn't determine anything. We can "contend" when we have a roster capable of it. Period. Not before then.

Above all, the idea that we can trade the #10 pick for a player who is "better" than the guy we can get with the #10 pick (or the multiple guys we can by trading down) is really really foolish.

When does someone in this idiotic organization say, "screw Bradley Beal. We can get better in the same way that other teams get better: by being good at our job of picking players, trading intelligently, & both developing & coaching well."

Not that any of this is Brad's fault. He's not doing anything wrong at all. Just maximizing what he gets out of the opportunities that are before him. He'd be a fool not to do that.

[pcbothwel]

"Time" doesn't determine anything. We can "contend" when we have a roster capable of it. Period. Not before then.

Above all, the idea that we can trade the #10 pick for a player who is "better" than the guy we can get with the #10 pick (or the multiple guys we can by trading down) is really really foolish.

When does someone in this idiotic organization say, "screw Bradley Beal. We can get better in the same way that other teams get better: by being good at our job of picking players, trading intelligently, & both developing & coaching well."

Not that any of this is Brad's fault. He's not doing anything wrong at all. Just maximizing what he gets out of the opportunities that are before him. He'd be a fool not to do that.

Typo. Not "Time", but "Team".
Again. I think Brad is simply making it clear that his decision will be based on a number of things, but wherever he goes he expects to be on a 'good' team and 'win'. Whatever his gauge is for that who knows.

[Jay81]

"Time" doesn't determine anything. We can "contend" when we have a roster capable of it. Period. Not before then.

Above all, the idea that we can trade the #10 pick for a player who is "better" than the guy we can get with the #10 pick (or the multiple guys we can by trading down) is really really foolish.

When does someone in this idiotic organization say, "screw Bradley Beal. We can get better in the same way that other teams get better: by being good at our job of picking players, trading intelligently, & both developing & coaching well."

Not that any of this is Brad's fault. He's not doing anything wrong at all. Just maximizing what he gets out of the opportunities that are before him. He'd be a fool not to do that.

Typo. Not "Time", but "Team".
Again. I think Brad is simply making it clear that his decision will be based on a number of things, but wherever he goes he expects to be on a 'good' team and 'win'. Whatever his gauge is for that who knows.

He gone then lol. This team has a max win capacity of maybe 45

[doclinkin]

100%. Let's not forget that he is a de facto co-GM...

People keep saying this, but Sheppard has not operated this way. Sheppard does Beal the courtesy of running major moves past him, but it's not clear whether Beal really has the power to stop them.

Do you think Beal supported Wall for Westbrook? i.e. Trading his now healthy backcourt mate for a guy Houston was trying to dump?

Do you think Beal supported Westbrook for Kuzma + KCP + Holiday? i.e. trading an almost All-Star for a few role players?

Do you think Beal supported us keeping our pick each of the last three seasons rather than trade them for veteran help?

Agree 100%. Beal is a smart young man. He is perfectly aware that he doesn't have the skills/experience to be a GM at this point in his life.

Many quotes have put Brad in the room on various draft decisions etc. As for acting as GM, he bought an AAU team and has been both GM and coach for that team for the past 5 years. I think he likes his own opinions as a talent scout and in player evaluations.

I fully expect the selection of Kispert was in part because he fit the timeline as a player who would be ready to see minutes quicker than talented guys with a slower learning curve ahead of them.

The trade of Westbrook was in part to bing Beal's good friend KCP to the team. Their wives are best friends. Likewise Beal recruited Dinwiddie, according to Mayo. Too bad it didn't work once he got here, but that was apparently a Beal driven trade, to land Spencer as a backcourt mate once Westbrook made it known he wanted to go to LA.

[Tyrone Messby]

I’m so tired of this Beal story. He keeps walking the fine line of will he or won’t he. I hope he leaves. He’s a clown and him coaching that young team preaching f the stats is the most hilarious thing I’ve heard. Practice what you preach bud. We will NEVER be a contender with Brad as the main guy. I’d much rather go through another rebuild with some semblance of hope rather than another 5-6 years of 5-8th seeds if that. He’s already proven he can’t lead a team on his own.

[TylersLakers]

You know... if you want:

Beal demands a trade to the Lakers and opts in for it:

Russ, Reaves, Nunn, THT, 2 1sts (2027 and 2029) for Beal and Porzingis..

After this year, all you'd have on the books is your young dudes, Gafford and maybe THT and Kuzma. Either way, you'd have boat loads of cap space.

I'm sure it's not the worst fake Laker trade you've ever seen.

[80sballboy]

You know... if you want:

Beal demands a trade to the Lakers and opts in for it:

Russ, Reaves, Nunn, THT, 2 1sts (2027 and 2029) for Beal and Porzingis..

After this year, all you'd have on the books is your young dudes, Gafford and maybe THT and Kuzma. Either way, you'd have boat loads of cap space.

I'm sure it's not the worst fake Laker trade you've ever seen.

Cool. I know you are joking. If Ted Leonsis did that, Adam Silver would have to investigate him as David Stern did Ted Stepien 40 years ago and force him out of the league.

[TylersLakers]

You know... if you want:

Beal demands a trade to the Lakers and opts in for it:

Russ, Reaves, Nunn, THT, 2 1sts (2027 and 2029) for Beal and Porzingis..

After this year, all you'd have on the books is your young dudes, Gafford and maybe THT and Kuzma. Either way, you'd have boat loads of cap space.

I'm sure it's not the worst fake Laker trade you've ever seen.

Cool. I know you are joking. If Ted Leonsis did that, Adam Silver would have to investigate him as David Stern did Ted Stepien 40 years ago and force him out of the league.

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You know... if you want:

Beal demands a trade to the Lakers and opts in for it:

Russ, Reaves, Nunn, THT, 2 1sts (2027 and 2029) for Beal and Porzingis..

After this year, all you'd have on the books is your young dudes, Gafford and maybe THT and Kuzma. Either way, you'd have boat loads of cap space.

I'm sure it's not the worst fake Laker trade you've ever seen.

Maybe not, but it's close!

How about this instead: you give us your 1st this year plus Reaves, & we'll give you back Kuzma. Work?

[FAH1223]

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[TylersLakers]

You know... if you want:

Beal demands a trade to the Lakers and opts in for it:

Russ, Reaves, Nunn, THT, 2 1sts (2027 and 2029) for Beal and Porzingis..

After this year, all you'd have on the books is your young dudes, Gafford and maybe THT and Kuzma. Either way, you'd have boat loads of cap space.

I'm sure it's not the worst fake Laker trade you've ever seen.

Maybe not, but it's close!

How about this instead: you give us your 1st this year plus Reaves, & we'll give you back Kuzma. Work?

Lakers don’t have a 1st this year, but I would absolutely do that for a 2027 1st. They really miss his big body on the wings.

What a disaster that trade was from the start and everybody knew it.

[nate33]

You know... if you want:

Beal demands a trade to the Lakers and opts in for it:

Russ, Reaves, Nunn, THT, 2 1sts (2027 and 2029) for Beal and Porzingis..

After this year, all you'd have on the books is your young dudes, Gafford and maybe THT and Kuzma. Either way, you'd have boat loads of cap space.

I'm sure it's not the worst fake Laker trade you've ever seen.

I don't see a preseason trade working out with LA, but if the Wizards end up resigning Beal to a max contract, and the Wizards have a losing record after 30 games or so, I wouldn't be all that surprised if we traded Beal for Westbrook, the 2027 1st, and the 2029 1st.

[Wizardspride]

Fwiw....

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[nate33]

Fwiw....

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It would be a difficult trade to pull off because base year compensation would apply to Brunson's trade value when making the sign and trade. Basically, only half of Brunson's new salary would be factored on Dallas' end of the transaction. So if Brunson signs a deal starting at $20M, it would only count for $10M in outgoing salary for Dallas, which means they would have to send out a bunch of other contracts to get up to a high enough salary to match Beal's incoming salary.

Also, Dallas' 2023 pick is already owed to NY, so they can't trade any FRP's until 2025.

The simplest deal I can come up with is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Hardaway
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)

It feels a little light from our perspective. Hardaway's contract is pretty bad. And those FRP's are likely to be in the late 20's.

Another possibility is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Dwight Powell (expiring)
Boban (expiring)
Sterling Brown (expiring)
Josh Green
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)
Isaiah Todd

That looks a little better. We could cut Boban and Brown to make roster room for our draft picks. Dallas would pay a pretty brutal luxury tax though.

[NatP4]

Can Dallas make the 2022 1st round pick and then trade the player to us?

If so, I would probably do that 2nd deal. We can snag Dalen Terry at 26 to pair with Brunson in the backcourt.

Continue to sell off our win now guys in Kuzma/KCP. Renounce KCP if you can’t trade him. Kuzma goes to Portland in the trade up. Land Sharpe/Murray/Daniels at 7.

Build around Brunson/Terry/one of Sharpe, Murray, Daniels/Avdija/Rui/Kispert/Gafford

[NatP4]

Would rather go after Brunson if he’s part of a win now strategy with Beal/Porzingis, but he is young enough at 26, to be part of a rebuild.

Seems like we’re better off shipping Beal elsewhere for more of a rebuild package though.

I would be content with a young player and a 2022 1st of any kind in return for Beal.

[nate33]

Can Dallas make the 2022 1st round pick and then trade the player to us?

Unfortunately, no. Dallas would have to sign him first, and once they sign him, he can't be traded until December 15th.

[nate33]

Would rather go after Brunson if he’s part of a win now strategy with Beal/Porzingis, but he is young enough at 26, to be part of a rebuild.

Seems like we’re better off shipping Beal elsewhere for more of a rebuild package though.

I would be content with a young player and a 2022 1st of any kind in return for Beal.

Yeah, I agree with you about Brunson being more of a win-now plan. But you gotta take value when you can get it. A Dallas package with Brunson, two 1sts, Josh Green and expiring salary is probably a better deal than we will get elsewhere. Most other teams who would value Beal either lack future 1sts or lack filler contracts to trade. The only other team out there who can put together a comparable package would be Boston (Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, Daniel Theis and future picks)

[Dat2U]

Would rather go after Brunson if he’s part of a win now strategy with Beal/Porzingis, but he is young enough at 26, to be part of a rebuild.

Seems like we’re better off shipping Beal elsewhere for more of a rebuild package though.

I would be content with a young player and a 2022 1st of any kind in return for Beal.

Yeah, I agree with you about Brunson being more of a win-now plan. But you gotta take value when you can get it. A Dallas package with Brunson, two 1sts, Josh Green and expiring salary is probably a better deal than we will get elsewhere. Most other teams who would value Beal either lack future 1sts or lack filler contracts to trade. The only other team out there who can put together a comparable package would be Boston (Derrick White, Aaron Nesmith, Daniel Theis and future picks)

Beal has some control but not ultimate say. So few teams with cap room & none of his likely preferred destinations so the Wizards can ultimately decline any deal & not necessarily take crap in return. Beal can opt out but where would he go & for what price? He seems intent on long term security & so getting upset at the Wizards declining his preferred destination and losing out on millions doesn't seem to be in the cards. If there was a bunch of teams flush with cap space then there would be a risk of losing him for nothing... but based on the current environment I see that risk as minimal.

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It would be a difficult trade to pull off because base year compensation would apply to Brunson's trade value when making the sign and trade. Basically, only half of Brunson's new salary would be factored on Dallas' end of the transaction. So if Brunson signs a deal starting at $20M, it would only count for $10M in outgoing salary for Dallas, which means they would have to send out a bunch of other contracts to get up to a high enough salary to match Beal's incoming salary.

Also, Dallas' 2023 pick is already owed to NY,** so they can't trade any FRP's until 2025.

The simplest deal I can come up with is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Hardaway
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)

It feels a little light from our perspective. Hardaway's contract is pretty bad. And those FRP's are likely to be in the late 20's.

Another possibility is:
Dallas trades:
Brunson (S&T starting at $20M)
Dwight Powell (expiring)
Boban (expiring)
Sterling Brown (expiring)
Josh Green
2025 FRP
2027 FRP

Washington trades:
Beal (opts in for his final year at $36M)
Isaiah Todd

That looks a little better. We could cut Boban and Brown to make roster room for our draft picks. Dallas would pay a pretty brutal luxury tax though.

That's an interesting report. I don't know what Luka would think of that, tqbh. I think Luka thinks of Brunson as one of his guys, but who knows. :ascii-shrug:

If I'm not screwing up the numbers (always possible folks, so forgive me if I have), just on the players involved in the trade side of things, with Brunson starting at $20m and no additional outgoing Wizard's players apart from Beal (opted in) I make it that Dallas would have to ship a number strictly between $19.02m and $25.6m in additional salary to the Wizards. There's a lot of flexibility there.

fwiw, if Brunson starts at $26m or $30.5m (he has to have some motivation) then the numbers are $16.02m and $19.6m$, or $13.77m and $15.1m, respectively. Still enough for Powell and Green in all cases.

Powell: $11.08m, Boban: $3.5m, Josh Green: $3.1m, Sterling Brown: $3m, Chriss: $2.2m, Frank: $2m
(also THJ: $19.6m, Dinwiddie: $19.5m, Bertans: $16m - I'm assuming DFS, Maxi Kleber and Reggie Bullock are off the table).

** Note, that 2023 Dallas FRP is conditional, so any picks they trade from 2025 onwards have to be conditional on the conveyance clauses of that pick.

The protection is, I believe, protected top 10 in 2023-25, else 2025 second round pick. So it's it very likely to convey in 2023.

However, a team trading for Dallas's 2025 FRP would (assuming they want an honest to god FRP and not some conversion to SRPs) actually be trading for that pick if the 2023 pick conveys, or else the Dallas 2026 FRP if the Dallas 2023 fails to convey, but the Dallas 2024 does, or else the Dallas 2027 FRP if neither Dallas 2023 nor Dallas 2024 FRP conveys but Dallas 2025 FRP does convey, or the Dallas 2028 FRP if none of Dallas 2023, 2024 and 2025 convey.

And I think that means that Dallas can't trade their 2027 FRP pick in an analogous way right now, because in the worst of all possible worlds that ends up actually being a 2030 pick, and so more than seven years away. So they would have to have it converting to a SRP if it hasn't conveyed by 2029 or whatever.