Roster moves in off-season.

[Flash4thewin]

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The problem is other teams want him, and they won't be trying to trade a trash contract like Duncan. Remember the Rockets owner lost a fortune and they are still in the rebuilding stage, they have no need or want for a negative "asset" like Duncan. We would need a third party involved.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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The problem is other teams want him, and they won't be trying to trade a trash contract like Duncan. Remember the Rockets owner lost a fortune and they are still in the rebuilding stage, they have no need or want for a negative "asset" like Duncan. We would need a third party involved.

I can see them trying to ship Duncan off to a third team but i don’t see his contract as big a deal as your making it out to be for ownership. They have Wall and his 48 milliom coming off the books in the following year. Lets say the trade is Nwaba and Wood for Duncan, Yurtseven, and two first the salaries match and they are getting compensated with the picks. Not like they are absorbing anymore salary that’s already on the books for this year.

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Rockets slowly making a good fist of rebuilding: Green, Sengun & now Paolo - hopefully for them they hit on the #17 as well. Need a lead guard (PG) to help run the show in the next 2 years, and they’ll be looking good.


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For the talk of Beal being a bad defender, he wasn’t in his first 3 seasons. It took the Wall unity for him to step up offensively, but that also coincided with his drop off on D.
I’d kick the tyres, but honestly he’ll require way more salary filler than we have.

[puppa bear]

Type of market we'll likely be looking at;

You could get OG/Grant for Herro and pieces or Randle/Wood for Duncan and pieces

So we getting Wood and OG for DRob, Herro and Yurt?

I’m still firmly on the no for Wood, unless he comes cheap. He gives off Whiteside vibes at times & we need a PF more like Grant.

Low key, OG/Randle might be the play for Riley. He fits the same move as he made for the 06 Heat by securing Posey/Walker, who seems to overlap but played next to each other and injected another level to the group. Lowry/Jimmy/OG/Randle/Bam with Gabe/Dipo/Strus/Martin/PJ/vet min C off the bench would be a dangerous team for all EC teams. Not sure we can get both though, without giving up Lowry

[Wiltside]

OG would be sick. There’s still some upside offensively there. At his peak, he should be a better version of Luol Deng. Somewhere between Deng and young Kawhi, before he really blew up.

Randle is interesting. Don’t love it defensively, but if Bam ain’t gonna be a big offensive option, Julius ain’t bashful. Mind you, he was pretty awful this year tbh.

Lebron…I don’t really want to entertain the thought. But I gotta be honest, it wouldn’t shock me. Given we didn’t win, legacy wise I don’t think it’d effect him. Plus he’s played here before.

I’d assume they’d want Lowry/Duncan/Herro and a pick or something for him though.

[dean456]

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For the talk of Beal being a bad defender, he wasn’t in his first 3 seasons. It took the Wall unity for him to step up offensively, but that also coincided with his drop off on D.
I’d kick the tyres, but honestly he’ll require way more salary filler than we have.

Not sure how possible it is but Beal could possibly opt in to his final year PO of 37mil deal so that Miami could trade for him and we could commit to a 4yr max deal which will mean he would get close to 5yr 237mil with us as apposed to 5yr 249mil with Washington's supermax When you factor in taxes he basically loses nothing with us and this allows us to match salaries easier.

Could do a package of Herro, Lowry, multiple FRPs. Also if we trade both 2022 and 2023 picks we would be trading the 2022 pick after we've made our selection. Which would include that picks salary in the deal which would be like 2.1mil at the 27th pick.

Doing that we'd also have the option to move Robinson in a secondary deal.

[DayofMourning]

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Rockets slowly making a good fist of rebuilding: Green, Sengun & now Paolo - hopefully for them they hit on the #17 as well. Need a lead guard (PG) to help run the show in the next 2 years, and they’ll be looking good.


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Everybody raves about their draft last year. They have the chance to do it again.

I'm excited for OKC. I want them to trade SGA to Orlando for number one. They can then draft Jabari and Chet with the top two picks. Get Mark Williams at number 12. Tank and get Victor next year. They can then roll with a starting lineup of Mark, Chet, Victor, Jabari and Giddey. Longest lineup in NBA history!

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For the talk of Beal being a bad defender, he wasn’t in his first 3 seasons. It took the Wall unity for him to step up offensively, but that also coincided with his drop off on D.
I’d kick the tyres, but honestly he’ll require way more salary filler than we have.

Not sure how possible it is but Beal could possibly opt in to his final year PO of 37mil deal so that Miami could trade for him and we could commit to a 4yr max deal which will mean he would get close to 5yr 237mil with us as apposed to 5yr 249mil with Washington's supermax When you factor in taxes he basically loses nothing with us and this allows us to match salaries easier.

Could do a package of Herro, Lowry, multiple FRPs. Also if we trade both 2022 and 2023 picks we would be trading the 2022 pick after we've made our selection. Which would include that picks salary in the deal which would be like 2.1mil at the 27th pick.

Doing that we'd also have the option to move Robinson in a secondary deal.

Beal for Lowry/Herro works financially as that basis. We need to get to him before the opt-out date, otherwise it becomes a S&T and it hard caps us. If we’re looking at another HC season then I think Beal is off the table. Not entirely sure we get this done, without Cuban complaining

We then would need to be trading for a PF/PG and signing the other with the tax payer MLE. Perhaps signing Dragic to back-up Dipo/Vincent

If we can keep picks to add to Robinson then we can possibly get something of value for him. Maybe one of the PFs we’ve been talking about - Grant, Turner, Barnes, etc.

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Lebron…I don’t really want to entertain the thought. But I gotta be honest, it wouldn’t shock me. Given we didn’t win, legacy wise I don’t think it’d effect him. Plus he’s played here before.

I’d assume they’d want Lowry/Duncan/Herro and a pick or something for him though.

Wait ... what? I'd assume they'd want more than that though. Lebron James isn't Lebron James anymore, but he's still Lebron James.

And yeah, you make that trade before they have a chance to come to their senses. Any trade for Lebron that doesn't include Jimmy or Bam going back the other way, you do it before the Lakers sober up. Lebron at PF next to Bam would be ridiculous. Lebron + Jimmy + Bam wins the championship 100%.

We'd just need to remind the Lakers that the last time they traded us their superstar they ended up winning 2 more championships.

[contract]

Is a one year LeBron rental and serious shot at a championship worth the entirety of Tyler Herro’s career? That’s the question

I have all kinds of issues with Lebron and his crew ... but yeah it's worth it. Herro is not that guy. He's never going to be that guy.

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Man I can't take my eyes off this place for a minute. When did reacquiring Lebron become a conversation?

[dean456]

For the talk of Beal being a bad defender, he wasn’t in his first 3 seasons. It took the Wall unity for him to step up offensively, but that also coincided with his drop off on D.
I’d kick the tyres, but honestly he’ll require way more salary filler than we have.

Not sure how possible it is but Beal could possibly opt in to his final year PO of 37mil deal so that Miami could trade for him and we could commit to a 4yr max deal which will mean he would get close to 5yr 237mil with us as apposed to 5yr 249mil with Washington's supermax When you factor in taxes he basically loses nothing with us and this allows us to match salaries easier.

Could do a package of Herro, Lowry, multiple FRPs. Also if we trade both 2022 and 2023 picks we would be trading the 2022 pick after we've made our selection. Which would include that picks salary in the deal which would be like 2.1mil at the 27th pick.

Doing that we'd also have the option to move Robinson in a secondary deal.

Beal for Lowry/Herro works financially as that basis. We need to get to him before the opt-out date, otherwise it becomes a S&T and it hard caps us. If we’re looking at another HC season then I think Beal is off the table. Not entirely sure we get this done, without Cuban complaining

We then would need to be trading for a PF/PG and signing the other with the tax payer MLE. Perhaps signing Dragic to back-up Dipo/Vincent

If we can keep picks to add to Robinson then we can possibly get something of value for him. Maybe one of the PFs we’ve been talking about - Grant, Turner, Barnes, etc.

I imagine if we were going to do a deal it will likely be a draft day or just after draft day deal and Washington would pick our 27th pick.

Ideal package would be something like Herro, Lowry, 2022 FRP and 2023 FRP and pick swaps for Beal.

Then trade Robinson and 2029 FRP for one of Wood, Barnes or Grant.

There are very limited teams that have cap space so if Beal moves it will likely be via trade and if thats the case Beal will likely dictate where he goes. San Antonio are set up to be able to sign a max deal so he could always use that as a threat to leave for nothing if Washington don't play ball.

[twix2500]

I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

[puppa bear]

I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

More than value than Duncan/1st for Grant being a thing?

I think some of our trades with Duncan are influenced by the T&T board that have whack valuing systems, but I’m not sure he is viewed that highly by many teams. I’m sure there’s some that need legit spacing to assist their young stars to grow/succeed and others that want more spacing for their established superstars. But finding one with matching salary and a piece that makes us better, that’s probably a lot harder.

[AirP.]

I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

Sure, but it's not across the board, I'd expect his value to teams is wildly inconsistent where some teams wouldn't even consider Robinson based on his contract and defense while other teams would covet his 3pt shooting to open up the court for their other players. It'll probably take a 3+ team trade to get good value out of Robinson.

Here's a twist with Duncan, if he puts on more muscle/weight and becomes an option at PF. I'd have to think Robinson playing defense on a PF would be less hurtful then on a more agile wing. He's going to get hunted either way but Miami may be able to help more with a defensive wing helping then a slower defensive PF helping.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I am going to repeat this numerous times this summer. Duncan Robinson has more value around the league than you think.

More than value than Duncan/1st for Grant being a thing?

I think some of our trades with Duncan are influenced by the T&T board that have whack valuing systems, but I’m not sure he is viewed that highly by many teams. I’m sure there’s some that need legit spacing to assist their young stars to grow/succeed and others that want more spacing for their established superstars. But finding one with matching salary and a piece that makes us better, that’s probably a lot harder.

I think it’s going to cost Herro to get Grant. Grant has turned himself into a pure scorer from a huge position of need at the 4 spot. We will have to counter a bunch of suitors. Question we have to ask ourselves is what’s more important. Keeping Herro and continuing going with all these guards or make the aggressive move for Grant. If Grant signs his extension with us it’s highly doubtful to commit a high salary to Herro the following year. Strus and Vincent will also be free agents but will both come at a more cost effective rate then Herro.

[MettaWorldPanda]

A lot of these players we are working out for the draft seem more like mid 2nd round names. I could see us trading out of the 1st to recoup some second round picks. Our second this year was stripped by the NBA for Lowry. Could also swap the 27th for the 46th in a Grant deal with the Pistons. Nbadraft.net currently has Julian Champagnie at 46 who we recently worked out. Justin Lewis is also projected around that pick with tankathon having him at 50 on there board.

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Everybody raves about their draft last year. They have the chance to do it again.

I'm excited for OKC. I want them to trade SGA to Orlando for number one. They can then draft Jabari and Chet with the top two picks. Get Mark Williams at number 12. Tank and get Victor next year. They can then roll with a starting lineup of Mark, Chet, Victor, Jabari and Giddey. Longest lineup in NBA history!

Lol that would be interesting.. that team would definitely struggle the first couple years though. Can't see them winning more than 15 games all year if they were to do that