2022 NBA Finals - Game 4 | Golden State Warriors vs. Boston Celtics (TIED 2-2)

[Loaded_Hollows]

I think Draymond has been awful the last 2 games.

But people are going too far. Hes not THIS bad of an offensive player. He hasn't been this bad this palyoffs.

This doesn't prove hes washed. Hes just playing badly.

He can still turn it around and have a good Game 5.

From the bench. Hype up the team and cheerlead.

[Loaded_Hollows]

We need a gif of Steph’s offensive rebound and spin around put back layup

[TrueFan420]

I don't understand the Celtic's strategy here, letting Curry run wild is not working for them, they should be easily winning this series and it's 2-2 with GS regaining home court advantage.

GS only has one primary ball handler, Steph Curry. If you take the ball out of his hands the Warriors are dead in the water, who is going to run the offence? Seems like a no-brainer that if the opposing team has exactly one decent PG/initiator/creator on their entire team you would just trap the hell out of that guy and force other players to make plays.

I don’t think you understand our team or offense if you think we only have on primary ball handler.

[TrueFan420]

I think Draymond has been awful the last 2 games.

But people are going too far. Hes not THIS bad of an offensive player. He hasn't been this bad this palyoffs.

This doesn't prove hes washed. Hes just playing badly.

He can still turn it around and have a good Game 5.

Celtics are a terrible match up for him.

[NyKnicks1714]

Poll needs a reset

[DonaldSanders]

I don't understand the Celtic's strategy here, letting Curry run wild is not working for them, they should be easily winning this series and it's 2-2 with GS regaining home court advantage.

GS only has one primary ball handler, Steph Curry. If you take the ball out of his hands the Warriors are dead in the water, who is going to run the offence? Seems like a no-brainer that if the opposing team has exactly one decent PG/initiator/creator on their entire team you would just trap the hell out of that guy and force other players to make plays.

Well you're forgetting that Draymond Green leads the team in assists both in the playoffs and the regular season. Part of what the Celtics are doing is making Draymond irrelevant. As much as people want to clown Draymond, part of the Celtics method has been to neutralize his effectiveness. If Draymond isn't a ball handler he has almost no value on offense, hence him having to hit the pine at some point.

I'd play very different defenses vs. us when Draymond is in vs. when he is out. When he's in I think it makes sense not to double Steph which lets Robert Williams be a free roamer. If the ball is Draymond's hands as it usually is when Steph is getting doubled, Draymond has value on the offensive end and is playable the whole game for us. It's been really good for the Celtics to neutralize the Draymond minutes... however they need to switch it up when Draymond is out.

[ciueli]

I don't understand the Celtic's strategy here, letting Curry run wild is not working for them, they should be easily winning this series and it's 2-2 with GS regaining home court advantage.

GS only has one primary ball handler, Steph Curry. If you take the ball out of his hands the Warriors are dead in the water, who is going to run the offence? Seems like a no-brainer that if the opposing team has exactly one decent PG/initiator/creator on their entire team you would just trap the hell out of that guy and force other players to make plays.

I don’t think you understand our team or offense if you think we only have on primary ball handler.

That's what I've seen watching them the entire playoffs, they fall apart when Curry sits because they have no one else who can create their own shot or create for others. Steph is absolutely carrying the Warriors on his back, why not throw some half court traps at him to take the ball out of his hands once in awhile? Make someone else be a creator.

[Infinite Llamas]

People think of Wiggins as some scrub and I have no idea why. Golden State gets swept without him and all of his intangibles he brings.

[John Murdoch]

I don't understand the Celtic's strategy here, letting Curry run wild is not working for them, they should be easily winning this series and it's 2-2 with GS regaining home court advantage.

GS only has one primary ball handler, Steph Curry. If you take the ball out of his hands the Warriors are dead in the water, who is going to run the offence? Seems like a no-brainer that if the opposing team has exactly one decent PG/initiator/creator on their entire team you would just trap the hell out of that guy and force other players to make plays.

Easier said than done...this isnt James Harden

[ciueli]

I don't understand the Celtic's strategy here, letting Curry run wild is not working for them, they should be easily winning this series and it's 2-2 with GS regaining home court advantage.

GS only has one primary ball handler, Steph Curry. If you take the ball out of his hands the Warriors are dead in the water, who is going to run the offence? Seems like a no-brainer that if the opposing team has exactly one decent PG/initiator/creator on their entire team you would just trap the hell out of that guy and force other players to make plays.

Well you're forgetting that Draymond Green leads the team in assists both in the playoffs and the regular season. Part of what the Celtics are doing is making Draymond irrelevant. As much as people want to clown Draymond, part of the Celtics method has been to neutralize his effectiveness. If Draymond isn't a ball handler he has almost no value on offense, hence him having to hit the pine at some point.

I'd play very different defenses vs. us when Draymond is in vs. when he is out. When he's in I think it makes sense not to double Steph which lets Robert Williams be a free roamer. If the ball is Draymond's hands as it usually is when Steph is getting doubled, Draymond has value on the offensive end and is playable the whole game for us. It's been really good for the Celtics to neutralize the Draymond minutes... however they need to switch it up when Draymond is out.

Draymond on the floor is 100% a win for the Celtics, he's been terrible so far this series. Yes, making him play off ball is part of it, but I'm not convinced the Warriors can be successful with him as a high usage shot creator. His assist numbers are likely high because he can't shoot or score, so of course he's going to pass the ball every time he gets it.

[DonaldSanders]

I don't understand the Celtic's strategy here, letting Curry run wild is not working for them, they should be easily winning this series and it's 2-2 with GS regaining home court advantage.

GS only has one primary ball handler, Steph Curry. If you take the ball out of his hands the Warriors are dead in the water, who is going to run the offence? Seems like a no-brainer that if the opposing team has exactly one decent PG/initiator/creator on their entire team you would just trap the hell out of that guy and force other players to make plays.

Well you're forgetting that Draymond Green leads the team in assists both in the playoffs and the regular season. Part of what the Celtics are doing is making Draymond irrelevant. As much as people want to clown Draymond, part of the Celtics method has been to neutralize his effectiveness. If Draymond isn't a ball handler he has almost no value on offense, hence him having to hit the pine at some point.

I'd play very different defenses vs. us when Draymond is in vs. when he is out. When he's in I think it makes sense not to double Steph which lets Robert Williams be a free roamer. If the ball is Draymond's hands as it usually is when Steph is getting doubled, Draymond has value on the offensive end and is playable the whole game for us. It's been really good for the Celtics to neutralize the Draymond minutes... however they need to switch it up when Draymond is out.

Draymond on the floor is 100% a win for the Celtics, he's been terrible so far this series. Yes, making him play off ball is part of it, but I'm not convinced the Warriors can be successful with him as a high usage shot creator. His assist numbers are likely high because he can't shoot or score, so of course he's going to pass the ball every time he gets it.

I mean it's been our plan this whole year and we've won championships with this method so I can't agree. The Celtics are doing really well with Draymond in *because* they are denying him his traditional role on the Warriors. Even with Curry's amazing performance the W's were +0 when Draymond was in the game. Let Draymond be a facilitator and I guarantee he will be a net positive. What he sucks at is being a scorer, and the Celtics are making him be one.

[Zeno]

Have you ever watched young kids playing soccer where they have a cap on how many goals any one kid can score so a player on one team passes up a wide open net repeatedly to pass out to their teammates because they have met their quota. That is what Green reminds me of. Except he had zero points.

[Heej]

People that think doubling Steph is the answer don't realize how deadly his off-ball game is once he gives the ball up lol

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Steph, going off on Boston isn't the main issue. The main issue is Boston keeps turning the ball over and every single game without fail they go 6 minutes without scoring.

[2weekswithpay]

I believe the Celtics' defense is fine. Running drop coverage and allowing Curry the looks he got still seems better than the alternatives. If you switch Curry kills Horford and Williams off the dribble which he's done the entire series. If you send 2 Draymond is going to beat you in the short roll. The Celtics' offense is a bigger issue.

[MindState]

I believe the Celtics' defense is fine. Running drop coverage and allowing Curry the looks he got still seems better than the alternatives. If you switch Curry kills Horford and Williams off the dribble which he's done the entire series. If you send 2 Draymond is going to beat you in the short roll. The Celtics' offense is a bigger issue.

Rob Williams could barely move on that last play. Is he okay? If hes gonna guard like that the Warriors have got to be attacking him every time down the court.

[ciueli]

I mean it's been our plan this whole year and we've won championships with this method so I can't agree. The Celtics are doing really well with Draymond in *because* they are denying him his traditional role on the Warriors. Even with Curry's amazing performance the W's were +0 when Draymond was in the game. Let Draymond be a facilitator and I guarantee he will be a net positive. What he sucks at is being a scorer, and the Celtics are making him be one.

You won championships when you had younger better Steph and Klay + Kevin Durant and when LeBron was missing Kyrie and Kevin Love. The team you have now is a 1 star team with a bunch of role players.

The series is only 2-2 because the Celtics went nuts from 3 in the 4th quarter of game 1 and stole it, it's very clear at this point that their overall strategy is flawed, plus in a 7 game series you can't play defence in the same way every game because eventually the other team will figure out how to counter it as the Warriors now have.

[DonaldSanders]

Rob Williams could barely move on that last play. Is he okay? If hes gonna guard like that the Warriors have got to be attacking him every time down the court.

I heard on Lowe's post game podcast that he saw Robert Williams ask out of the game in the 4th quarter after tweaking the injured knee again. If Williams can't play anymore that is going to be a huge blow to the Celtics. Dude is a huge beast and my pick for DPOY.

[Infinite Llamas]

Steph, going off on Boston isn't the main issue. The main issue is Boston keeps turning the ball over and every single game without fail they go 6 minutes without scoring.

Pretty much. Curry can get 50 all day long and the Warriors still lose if Boston can control the glass and not turn it over. It’s really that simple.

[DonaldSanders]

Steph, going off on Boston isn't the main issue. The main issue is Boston keeps turning the ball over and every single game without fail they go 6 minutes without scoring.

Pretty much. Curry can get 50 all day long and the Warriors still lose if Boston can control the glass and not turn it over. It’s really that simple.

True -- these teams are like mirrors of each other in certain ways. That's the exact same thing the Warriors need to do -- control the glass and not turn it over. Fun series!