Who do you want us to take at #1?

[pepe1991]

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That’s journalism 101. When everybody is writing scenario A will happen, just write „Why scenario B could happen“ with only assumptions and phrases like „wouldn’t be surprised“ to get some clicks

[basketballRob]

Reading between the lines, although Jake Fischer says everything about Jabari being thr "safest, safest, safest" bet to go #1, and Paolo and his csmp believe theyre not being considered for #1, he also says something important:

"Everyone is expecting it to go in that 1,2,3 order (Bari/Chet/Paolo/), so far; it could change. It's definitely....I'm not gonna say anything at all, specific, but there's definitely a thing I heard of late that is making me a bit skeptical that it is going to go that 1,2,3."

Add that to KOC saying not all execs think Jabari is a lock during a spaces (?) session last week, and it makes you go hmmm.

Add Vegas odds changing.

The snippets this week on Givony, Vecenie, Ringer, and SI mocks will be interesting.

I think the big surprise will be OKC taking Sharpe instead of Chet.

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[pepe1991]

Reading between the lines, although Jake Fischer says everything about Jabari being thr "safest, safest, safest" bet to go #1, and Paolo and his csmp believe theyre not being considered for #1, he also says something important:

"Everyone is expecting it to go in that 1,2,3 order (Bari/Chet/Paolo/), so far; it could change. It's definitely....I'm not gonna say anything at all, specific, but there's definitely a thing I heard of late that is making me a bit skeptical that it is going to go that 1,2,3."

Add that to KOC saying not all execs think Jabari is a lock during a spaces (?) session last week, and it makes you go hmmm.

Add Vegas odds changing.

The snippets this week on Givony, Vecenie, Ringer, and SI mocks will be interesting.

I think the big surprise will be OKC taking Sharpe instead of Chet.

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Why?
Even if they belive he is best player aveliable ( he's not) he plays same position as SGA, their best player.
And even if non of it matters ( it does) they can trade down and simply draft him.

There is scenario where Sharpe is still on board at 6,7 or even 8th. Drafting player that hasn't played basketball in almost 2 years, at age of 19 is major risk and can have massive consequences for GM who reaches for him in top 5. Let alone top 3.

[basketballRob]

Reading between the lines, although Jake Fischer says everything about Jabari being thr "safest, safest, safest" bet to go #1, and Paolo and his csmp believe theyre not being considered for #1, he also says something important:

"Everyone is expecting it to go in that 1,2,3 order (Bari/Chet/Paolo/), so far; it could change. It's definitely....I'm not gonna say anything at all, specific, but there's definitely a thing I heard of late that is making me a bit skeptical that it is going to go that 1,2,3."

Add that to KOC saying not all execs think Jabari is a lock during a spaces (?) session last week, and it makes you go hmmm.

Add Vegas odds changing.

The snippets this week on Givony, Vecenie, Ringer, and SI mocks will be interesting.

I think the big surprise will be OKC taking Sharpe instead of Chet.

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Why?
Even if they belive he is best player aveliable ( he's not) he plays same position as SGA, their best player.
And even if non of it matters ( it does) they can trade down and simply draft him.

There is scenario where Sharpe is still on board at 6,7 or even 8th. Drafting player that hasn't played basketball in almost 2 years, at age of 19 is major risk and can have massive consequences for GM who reaches for him in top 5. Let alone top 3.

Presti picks who he thinks the best player is regardless of what other scouts think of them.

You could also say the same about Chet being a huge risk. He scored 9 points and 9 rebounds against Duren before he fouled out. Victor dominated Chet in the gold medal game. Chet had 10/5/2 Wembanyama 21/8/8 and he was like 2 years younger. You could argue that when Chet faces NBA talent he's mediocre.

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[Message Boar]

I don't know, guys. I just keep cycling between the three main guys, and it can change by the day. I guess I'm just not gonna lock in on any one guy this year, which I guess is... healthy? I'm just gonna wait and support whatever guy they choose. Ultimately I think I still stand by my poll option of Jabari (because of the safety of it), but I can see the appeal of Chet (highest upside, imo) and Paolo (go-to scoring), too.

I just hope that when we look back on this 3+ years from now, we can say that out of the consensus top 3 guys, at least the Magic FO managed to pick the right dude (I'm not sure how much faith I have that they will, though). If it turns out that like Ivey or Sharpe was the best prospect, I can live with that, or even some Giannis-like scenario.

[basketballRob]

It's rumored that Sharpe has set up camp near OKC. This is him working out in a facility close to there.

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[drsd]

Why?
Even if they belive he is best player aveliable ( he's not) he plays same position as SGA, their best player.
And even if non of it matters ( it does) they can trade down and simply draft him.

There is scenario where Sharpe is still on board at 6,7 or even 8th. Drafting player that hasn't played basketball in almost 2 years, at age of 19 is major risk and can have massive consequences for GM who reaches for him in top 5. Let alone top 3.

ANd-1

And to add: right now Dyson Daniels is looking like the better sure-thing at the SG.

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[pepe1991]

I think the big surprise will be OKC taking Sharpe instead of Chet.

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Why?
Even if they belive he is best player aveliable ( he's not) he plays same position as SGA, their best player.
And even if non of it matters ( it does) they can trade down and simply draft him.

There is scenario where Sharpe is still on board at 6,7 or even 8th. Drafting player that hasn't played basketball in almost 2 years, at age of 19 is major risk and can have massive consequences for GM who reaches for him in top 5. Let alone top 3.

Presti picks who he thinks the best player is regardless of what other scouts think of them.

You could also say the same about Chet being a huge risk. He scored 9 points and 9 rebounds against Duren before he fouled out. Victor dominated Chet in the gold medal game. Chet had 10/5/2 Wembanyama 21/8/8 and he was like 2 years younger. You could argue that when Chet faces NBA talent he's mediocre.

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Jalen Smith shot 3-16 and was served with nasty facial in his elimination games.
He shot 1-11 against some 6'7 pesky defender who did nothing special but glued at him.


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[basketballRob]

Why?
Even if they belive he is best player aveliable ( he's not) he plays same position as SGA, their best player.
And even if non of it matters ( it does) they can trade down and simply draft him.

There is scenario where Sharpe is still on board at 6,7 or even 8th. Drafting player that hasn't played basketball in almost 2 years, at age of 19 is major risk and can have massive consequences for GM who reaches for him in top 5. Let alone top 3.

Presti picks who he thinks the best player is regardless of what other scouts think of them.

You could also say the same about Chet being a huge risk. He scored 9 points and 9 rebounds against Duren before he fouled out. Victor dominated Chet in the gold medal game. Chet had 10/5/2 Wembanyama 21/8/8 and he was like 2 years younger. You could argue that when Chet faces NBA talent he's mediocre.

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Jalen Smith shot 3-16 and was served with nasty facial in his elimination games.
He shot 1-11 against some 6'7 pesky defender who did nothing special but glued at him.


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It wasn't one game with Chet, it's a sample size against all good defenses. He shot around 290% from 3 when guarded. In Chet's last two games against NBA type talent he committed 10 fouls in 53 minutes.

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[pepe1991]

Presti picks who he thinks the best player is regardless of what other scouts think of them.

You could also say the same about Chet being a huge risk. He scored 9 points and 9 rebounds against Duren before he fouled out. Victor dominated Chet in the gold medal game. Chet had 10/5/2 Wembanyama 21/8/8 and he was like 2 years younger. You could argue that when Chet faces NBA talent he's mediocre.

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Jalen Smith shot 3-16 and was served with nasty facial in his elimination games.
He shot 1-11 against some 6'7 pesky defender who did nothing special but glued at him.


one game sample size alerts

It wasn't one game with Chet, it's a sample size against all good defenses. He shot around 290% from 3 when guarded.

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Smith shot 52% around rim against everybody.

I dont' get what you are getting from this uber-Smith hype . He is one of Magic options, but draft isn't strong and he isn't player that you should go b***s deep into famming over. His game yells hybrid between Rashard Lewis & Harrison Barnes. Jumpshooter streach PF.

In same time you are trashing Chet Holmgren, who is objectivlly more talented basketball player today. Who has issues with bodyframe but who's basketball skills are polished. Also, given Magic preferences, Chet is more likley pick for Orlando anyway.

It's amazing lenghts people are willing to go to fam over XY player, to the point where they are trashing other player just to feel more secure about their own player.
It is hilarious that "bad competition " is now somehow taken as big deal when it comes to Holmgren, and in same time, you, and many others still fam over Suggs college performances. Who plays against execlly same opponents Holmgren played this year.

How does this adds up to your mind? Suggs can't pass ( or run offense) but you blame just about everything and everybody for it, but him. But Holmgren is in same time "bad " prospect, and Magic should stay off, despite fact Holmgren was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better college player than Suggs could ever dreamed off.

[Ralof]

I don't know, guys. I just keep cycling between the three main guys, and it can change by the day. I guess I'm just not gonna lock in on any one guy this year, which I guess is... healthy? I'm just gonna wait and support whatever guy they choose. Ultimately I think I still stand by my poll option of Jabari (because of the safety of it), but I can see the appeal of Chet (highest upside, imo) and Paolo (go-to scoring), too.

It's gonna be Jabari and is gonna be a mediocre pick from a mediocre front office.

In a moment when we need more than anything to take risks and swing for the fences.

[SOUL]

You guys seriously have no idea who Jabari, Chet, Paolo will be at all. I'm talking about 80% of this board who somehow always form complete opinions before a guy plays a game. I'm fine with people making comparisons or predicting their future with logical leaps, but to confidently state who a player will be in the NBA with such conviction and argue about it is silly. You have no idea when it comes down to it.

If you fling enough opinions around some are bound to stick lol. I can see any of the top 3 guys being helpful for us. The issue is that everybody is confident that their guy is "the guy" but maybe there is no guy like that in this draft at all. We simply don't know.

[89Magicfan]

With that being said, Boone (Kyle Boone, CBS Sports)compared Sharpe to another top athlete, Golden State’s Andrew Wiggins.

“Both long and athletic wings, Sharpe and Wiggins also share one thing in common: they were once the No. 1 recruit in their respective classes,” Boone wrote.

“Their athleticism is pretty close to similar, too,” Boone said. “Wiggins’ vertical leap is well over 40 inches — reportedly 44 inches — while Sharpe’s may be closer to 50.”

Despite the similarities, Sharpe seems to be more of an alpha than what we saw from Wiggins.

“Sharpe, however, has to this point in his career been more of an alpha,” Boone wrote. “He’s an aggressive scorer. He’s a tough-shot maker. Wiggins’ lack of aggressiveness — especially as a former No. 1 pick — is a knock that’s stuck with him, even though he’s carved out a nice career for himself and found a great home with the Warriors.”

He continued, “Sharpe has superstar potential which makes him, even after not playing in college, one of the five most intriguing long-term prospects in this year’s class.”

[pepe1991]

With that being said, Boone (Kyle Boone, CBS Sports)compared Sharpe to another top athlete, Golden State’s Andrew Wiggins.

“Both long and athletic wings, Sharpe and Wiggins also share one thing in common: they were once the No. 1 recruit in their respective classes,” Boone wrote.

“Their athleticism is pretty close to similar, too,” Boone said. “Wiggins’ vertical leap is well over 40 inches — reportedly 44 inches — while Sharpe’s may be closer to 50.”

Despite the similarities, Sharpe seems to be more of an alpha than what we saw from Wiggins.

“Sharpe, however, has to this point in his career been more of an alpha,” Boone wrote. “He’s an aggressive scorer. He’s a tough-shot maker. Wiggins’ lack of aggressiveness — especially as a former No. 1 pick — is a knock that’s stuck with him, even though he’s carved out a nice career for himself and found a great home with the Warriors.”

He continued, “Sharpe has superstar potential which makes him, even after not playing in college, one of the five most intriguing long-term prospects in this year’s class.”

Ehh....
Wiggins highschool stats very massive ( 23,4 ppg 11 rpg, 2,6 bpg, 2,5 bpg) .

DIfference between them is being actually tested vs telling stories of Sharpe.

Andre Wiggins was promoted as 6'8 guy. At draft combine he showed being actual 6'8 guy.
Sharpe was promoted as 6'7 guy. Showed 6'4 at combine without shoes.

Wiggins was promoted as athletic freak. Showed at 44 inch vertical at combine.
Sharpe was promoted as athletic freak. Elected not to participate, rather have some unofficial testing witch is as accurate as boy telling girl his lenght on first date, while both being drunk.

Wiggins showed at college. Putting 17 ppg ,6 rpg.
Sharpe pretty much founded loophole to not play games.

Only actual fact about Sharpe that didn't went from "fact " to bulls*** so far is his wingspan. Everything else is kid's camp doing everything but basketball to make him sound like good basketball player.

I don't know what he can be, but 6'5 is shooting guard size for nba. Rather very average height shooting guard. I don't think his body is any more stronger, faster, more athletic than RJ Barrett body is. His skillset is what will make or break him, not physical outlook. If he is 6'9- 240, with even alleged 45 inch vertical, okey, than you can talk about physical outliner, but at 6'4 he is just another nba shorty

[89Magicfan]

With that being said, Boone (Kyle Boone, CBS Sports)compared Sharpe to another top athlete, Golden State’s Andrew Wiggins.

“Both long and athletic wings, Sharpe and Wiggins also share one thing in common: they were once the No. 1 recruit in their respective classes,” Boone wrote.

“Their athleticism is pretty close to similar, too,” Boone said. “Wiggins’ vertical leap is well over 40 inches — reportedly 44 inches — while Sharpe’s may be closer to 50.”

Despite the similarities, Sharpe seems to be more of an alpha than what we saw from Wiggins.

“Sharpe, however, has to this point in his career been more of an alpha,” Boone wrote. “He’s an aggressive scorer. He’s a tough-shot maker. Wiggins’ lack of aggressiveness — especially as a former No. 1 pick — is a knock that’s stuck with him, even though he’s carved out a nice career for himself and found a great home with the Warriors.”

He continued, “Sharpe has superstar potential which makes him, even after not playing in college, one of the five most intriguing long-term prospects in this year’s class.”

Ehh....
Wiggins highschool stats very massive ( 23,4 ppg 11 rpg, 2,6 bpg, 2,5 bpg) .

DIfference between them is being actually tested vs telling stories of Sharpe.

Andre Wiggins was promoted as 6'8 guy. At draft combine he showed being almost 6'9 in shoes.
Sharpe was promoted as 6'7 guy. Showed 6'5 at combine.

Wiggins was promoted as athletic freak. Showed at 44 inch vertical at combine.
Sharpe was promoted as athletic freak. Elected not to participate, rather have some unofficial testing witch is as accurate as boy telling girl his lenght on first date, while both being drunk.

Wiggins showed at college. Putting 17 ppg ,6 rpg.
Sharpe pretty much founded loophole to not play games.

Only actual fact about Sharpe that didn't went from "fact " to bulls*** so far is his wingspan. Everything else is kid's camp doing everything but basketball to make him sound like good basketball player.

I’m not hung up on his size. League is getting smaller anyways. Plug the kid at SG, let Mosley mold him and see what happens. He’ll probably grow another inch or so before he’s done.

From all I’ve read he wasn’t dodging to play at UK. Calipari is a weird guy. Had the kid on his roster and didn’t play him. Never really cared for him as a coach tbh. Always has done some head scratchers.

Every year players try to find a way to choose where they want to go. After the UK bs think his camp is just trying to get him into a position where he can grow as a player and contribute.

I still got him there because I’m not enamored with any of the top 3 rn and from what I see, Sharpe’s skills are already there and probably more advanced offensively than anyone in the draft.

[pepe1991]

With that being said, Boone (Kyle Boone, CBS Sports)compared Sharpe to another top athlete, Golden State’s Andrew Wiggins.

“Both long and athletic wings, Sharpe and Wiggins also share one thing in common: they were once the No. 1 recruit in their respective classes,” Boone wrote.

“Their athleticism is pretty close to similar, too,” Boone said. “Wiggins’ vertical leap is well over 40 inches — reportedly 44 inches — while Sharpe’s may be closer to 50.”

Despite the similarities, Sharpe seems to be more of an alpha than what we saw from Wiggins.

“Sharpe, however, has to this point in his career been more of an alpha,” Boone wrote. “He’s an aggressive scorer. He’s a tough-shot maker. Wiggins’ lack of aggressiveness — especially as a former No. 1 pick — is a knock that’s stuck with him, even though he’s carved out a nice career for himself and found a great home with the Warriors.”

He continued, “Sharpe has superstar potential which makes him, even after not playing in college, one of the five most intriguing long-term prospects in this year’s class.”

Ehh....
Wiggins highschool stats very massive ( 23,4 ppg 11 rpg, 2,6 bpg, 2,5 bpg) .

DIfference between them is being actually tested vs telling stories of Sharpe.

Andre Wiggins was promoted as 6'8 guy. At draft combine he showed being almost 6'9 in shoes.
Sharpe was promoted as 6'7 guy. Showed 6'5 at combine.

Wiggins was promoted as athletic freak. Showed at 44 inch vertical at combine.
Sharpe was promoted as athletic freak. Elected not to participate, rather have some unofficial testing witch is as accurate as boy telling girl his lenght on first date, while both being drunk.

Wiggins showed at college. Putting 17 ppg ,6 rpg.
Sharpe pretty much founded loophole to not play games.

Only actual fact about Sharpe that didn't went from "fact " to bulls*** so far is his wingspan. Everything else is kid's camp doing everything but basketball to make him sound like good basketball player.

I’m not hung up on his size. League is getting smaller anyways. Plug the kid at SG, let Mosley mold him and see what happens. He’ll probably grow another inch or so before he’s done.

From all I’ve read he wasn’t dodging to play at UK. Calipari is a weird guy. Had the kid on his roster and didn’t play him. Never really cared for him as a coach tbh. Always has done some head scratchers.

Every year players try to find a way to choose where they want to go. After the UK bs think his camp is just trying to get him into a position where he can grow as a player and contribute.

I still got him there because I’m not enamored with any of the top 3 rn and from what I see, Sharpe’s skills are already there and probably more advanced offensively than anyone in the draft.

I don't really care about his size, his size is just yet another reminder that everything about this kid is BS.
He was promoted to be 6'7 guy that showed with his all 6'4 at draft combine.

Him being wrapped in multiple lies is what rubs me in wrong way.

His "skills" is something nobody saw since highshool nor they were ever tested against better competition. Same highschool skills made RJ Hampton top college recruit and "best player" . Than he showed up in New Zeland in professional league and looked like a**. If he didn't play there, some fool would draft freaking RJ Hampton top 5 overall and probably got himself fired already.

Even if we make argument that he didn't ducking playing at college, it still paints him in bad light because it just means he wasn't even better than UK backups to be worth picking and playing 10 min a game.

He may or may not end up being good, but from what i got from him is more about mystique than actually anything he ever showed on court. Just feels like Dante Exum saga all over again.

[basketballRob]

Jalen Smith shot 3-16 and was served with nasty facial in his elimination games.
He shot 1-11 against some 6'7 pesky defender who did nothing special but glued at him.


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It wasn't one game with Chet, it's a sample size against all good defenses. He shot around 290% from 3 when guarded.

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Smith shot 52% around rim against everybody.

I dont' get what you are getting from this uber-Smith hype . He is one of Magic options, but draft isn't strong and he isn't player that you should go b***s deep into famming over. His game yells hybrid between Rashard Lewis & Harrison Barnes. Jumpshooter streach PF.

In same time you are trashing Chet Holmgren, who is objectivlly more talented basketball player today. Who has issues with bodyframe but who's basketball skills are polished. Also, given Magic preferences, Chet is more likley pick for Orlando anyway.

It's amazing lenghts people are willing to go to fam over XY player, to the point where they are trashing other player just to feel more secure about their own player.
It is hilarious that "bad competition " is now somehow taken as big deal when it comes to Holmgren, and in same time, you, and many others still fam over Suggs college performances. Who plays against execlly same opponents Holmgren played this year.

How does this adds up to your mind? Suggs can't pass ( or run offense) but you blame just about everything and everybody for it, but him. But Holmgren is in same time "bad " prospect, and Magic should stay off, despite fact Holmgren was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better college player than Suggs could ever dreamed off.

Smith was doubled and triple-teamed under the basket. The last game against Miami he was double and triple-teamed.

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Jalen Smith shot 3-16 and was served with nasty facial in his elimination games.
He shot 1-11 against some 6'7 pesky defender who did nothing special but glued at him.


one game sample size alerts

It wasn't one game with Chet, it's a sample size against all good defenses. He shot around 290% from 3 when guarded.

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Smith shot 52% around rim against everybody.

I dont' get what you are getting from this uber-Smith hype . He is one of Magic options, but draft isn't strong and he isn't player that you should go b***s deep into famming over. His game yells hybrid between Rashard Lewis & Harrison Barnes. Jumpshooter streach PF.

In same time you are trashing Chet Holmgren, who is objectivlly more talented basketball player today. Who has issues with bodyframe but who's basketball skills are polished. Also, given Magic preferences, Chet is more likley pick for Orlando anyway.

It's amazing lenghts people are willing to go to fam over XY player, to the point where they are trashing other player just to feel more secure about their own player.
It is hilarious that "bad competition " is now somehow taken as big deal when it comes to Holmgren, and in same time, you, and many others still fam over Suggs college performances. Who plays against execlly same opponents Holmgren played this year.

How does this adds up to your mind? Suggs can't pass ( or run offense) but you blame just about everything and everybody for it, but him. But Holmgren is in same time "bad " prospect, and Magic should stay off, despite fact Holmgren was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better college player than Suggs could ever dreamed off.

All of those Mo Bamba proclamations that never materialized. Now there’s barely a whisper. The track record isn’t really there so we get 87 posts with the same damn tweets about Jabaris post workout interview but from different camera angles. He’s the new Mo.

The truth is, nobody really cares that much about the level of talent these guys faced at the collegiate level because in the same breath you can go to each guy and say he was somewhat held back because they couldn’t showcase their entire bag of tricks due to the system they played in or the players they shared the court with. (Example: Smiths rebounding numbers weren’t great, but he shared the floor with a dominant center.) It’s also a Safe bet to assume these guys, knowing they’re one and done players and high draft picks, weren’t trying to get hurt so maybe they held back just a little.

What matters is which player has the best chance to transcend into a generational overall talent. Chet has more overall skill than Smith and even Banchero right now. IMO If he were 215 lbs nobody would second guess him as the hands down favorite @ 1.

Like I said, I have my favorite but I’d be ok with any of the three.