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What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations)

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What has been the Hawks best move this offseason?

Trading for Dejounte Murray
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Acquiring Justin Holliday
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Drafting AJ Griffin
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NOT Trading John Collins
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#161 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:05 pm

Not sure if you guys have listened to this most recent report, but Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report on The Athletic's NBA Show Podcast spends the first 9 minutes speaking about Atlanta and Phoenix.

Reiterates we're looking to move Collins, that it's two summers in the making. Then links us to Gobert and Ayton separately.

Sounds like we're hoping to revamp the entire front court.

Thoughts?
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#162 » by jayu70 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:54 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Not sure if you guys have listened to this most recent report, but Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report on The Athletic's NBA Show Podcast spends the first 9 minutes speaking about Atlanta and Phoenix.

Reiterates we're looking to move Collins, that it's two summers in the making. Then links us to Gobert and Ayton separately.

Sounds like we're hoping to revamp the entire front court.

Thoughts?

I feel like I've been talking about this stuff (on The Squawk from 'Insiders') since April 29th - just saying.
But I think we move one or the other not both.
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#163 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:19 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Not sure if you guys have listened to this most recent report, but Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report on The Athletic's NBA Show Podcast spends the first 9 minutes speaking about Atlanta and Phoenix.

Reiterates we're looking to move Collins, that it's two summers in the making. Then links us to Gobert and Ayton separately.

Sounds like we're hoping to revamp the entire front court.

Thoughts?

I feel like I've been talking about this stuff (on The Squawk from 'Insiders') since April 29th - just saying.
But I think we move one or the other not both.


Who would goto PHX? Cap or JC or even someone else. I really don't know what to think about this offseason. Do we want to max Ayton? I suppose that if all it takes is one of JC or Capela and a future first, that seems doable so it just comes down to fit, salary and potential. Of course a secondary move would seem probable, especially if it's JC on the move. Can't see us keeping Capela if we bring Ayton on
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#164 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:24 pm

With both Ressler and Schlenk on record wanting big changes....I guess that they plan to do something pretty big

I wouldn't be totally shocked if both JC and Cap are moved. OO might look real good playing next to Ayton
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#165 » by jayu70 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:27 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Not sure if you guys have listened to this most recent report, but Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report on The Athletic's NBA Show Podcast spends the first 9 minutes speaking about Atlanta and Phoenix.

Reiterates we're looking to move Collins, that it's two summers in the making. Then links us to Gobert and Ayton separately.

Sounds like we're hoping to revamp the entire front court.

Thoughts?

I feel like I've been talking about this stuff (on The Squawk from 'Insiders') since April 29th - just saying.
But I think we move one or the other not both.


Who would goto PHX? Cap or JC or even someone else. I really don't know what to think about this offseason. Do we want to max Ayton? I suppose that if all it takes is one of JC or Capela and a future first, that seems doable so it just comes down to fit, salary and potential. Of course a secondary move would seem probable, especially if it's JC on the move. Can't see us keeping Capela if we bring Ayton on

Phoenix is limited by how much salary (~$18 mil )they can take back.for Ayton since he is BYC player. Hawks will need to get a 3rd team involved for us to send out salary since we can only be $6 mil over the LT if we do a SnT deal.
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#166 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:28 pm

Getting on a roll here. I'm imaginging Capela and some future draft stuff to a third team and third team sending win now player to PHX. Then maybe a JC move to bring in a SG. Works for me
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#167 » by jayu70 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:36 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:With both Ressler and Schlenk on record wanting big changes....I guess that they plan to do something pretty big

I wouldn't be totally shocked if both JC and Cap are moved. OO might look real good playing next to Ayton

OO as a PF next to Ayton at C? Unless OO extends his range that makes Ayton working from post difficult.
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#168 » by jayu70 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:37 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:Getting on a roll here. I'm imaginging Capela and some future draft stuff to a third team and third team sending win now player to PHX. Then maybe a JC move to bring in a SG. Works for me

What kind of win now player is going to Phoenix? Also wouldn't they need a Center with Ayton leaving?
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#169 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:55 pm

OO assured us that he's coming back with a shot. His college tape looked pretty good offensively.

I've seen talk of JC to PORT for #7. Guess Bledsoe would be the salary.

Cap + to PHX. JC to PORT and Bledsoe #7 to Hawks. Don't want Bledsoe, just throwing ish out there. Jamaal could grab his SG at #7

I just really feel that Hawks brass are on record and big change is coming. It's silly season for me with so many possibilities
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#170 » by jayu70 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:19 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:OO assured us that he's coming back with a shot. His college tape looked pretty good offensively.

I've seen talk of JC to PORT for #7. Guess Bledsoe would be the salary.

Cap + to PHX. JC to PORT and Bledsoe #7 to Hawks. Don't want Bledsoe, just throwing ish out there. Jamaal could grab his SG at #7

I just really feel that Hawks brass are on record and big change is coming. It's silly season for me with so many possibilities

I get OO has assured he'll have a jump shot. Easier said than done in one offseason, particularly since we haven't seen him even pretend to take jumpsuits so far in his NBA career. He took 16 CnS in college, made 6.
Bledsoe has a $4 mil-ish guarantee on his deal.
Both TS and TR said the team most pressing needs are wing defense and another ball handler and oh the ELUSIVE 2ND STAR!!!
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#171 » by CP War Hawks » Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:37 pm

I just think guys like Robert Williams and Looney are so limited after watching these finals by what their team can implement for them. Capela and Collins are more talented respectively but they are limited the same way.

When OO is arguably the better ball handler between the 3 it's a problem that needs addressing. Clint with near career lows of rebounding, ft %, and blocks should be the first moved.
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#172 » by HMFFL » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:14 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:With both Ressler and Schlenk on record wanting big changes....I guess that they plan to do something pretty big

I wouldn't be totally shocked if both JC and Cap are moved. OO might look real good playing next to Ayton
OO better be working on more than his jumper. With Ayton and OO starting it draws concerns for me. I suppose I hoped for more of a veteran presence on our team. Not subtracting to only get younger.

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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#173 » by jayu70 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:04 pm

In ongoing trade chatter around the league, Atlanta was believed to have made all players besides Trae Young available, but sources told B/R the team is now expected to retain De’Andre Hunter and agree to terms on a long-term contract extension. – via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#174 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:29 pm

Lots of intel on Hawks offseason pursuits here.

The Hawks could be the most natural Gobert trade partner for the Utah Jazz.

There has been plenty of talk among league personnel that some combination of Capela, John Collins, Kevin Huerter and the No. 16 pick could be routed to Utah for the three-time Defensive Player of the Year.

In ongoing trade chatter around the league, Atlanta was believed to have made all players besides Trae Young available, but sources told B/R the team is now expected to retain De'Andre Hunter and agree to terms on a long-term contract extension.

It's unclear how Bogdan Bogdanovic's recent knee surgery, expected to sideline the 29-year-old swingman for roughly three months, will impact his value on the open market.

Atlanta has several key objectives on the trade front, sources told B/R. Aside from upgrading its roster around Young and Hunter, the Hawks are determined to free up playing time for promising big man Onyeka Okongwu ahead of his third professional season. Atlanta has also been motivated to find a backcourt counterpart for Young.

The Hawks were engaged with the New Orleans Pelicans in Jrue Holiday trade conversations before the veteran was dealt to the Milwaukee Bucks in November 2020. More recently, Atlanta pursued CJ McCollum and Goran Dragic ahead of the February trade deadline, before being linked as a hopeful suitor for LaVine and Bradley Beal.

Collins is still being mentioned as a trade target for Portland while the Trail Blazers explore their options to add win-now talent around Damian Lillard in exchange for the No. 7 choice. Should a deal with Atlanta materialize, G League Ignite combo guard Dyson Daniels is believed to be a primary draft target for the Hawks, sources said.
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#175 » by jayu70 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:39 pm

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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#176 » by tbhawksfan1 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:43 pm

Trae and Hunter are absolutely #1 and #2 on my depth chart. OO is a definate keeper as well
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#177 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:08 pm

1 Hole Each NBA Team Must Fill This Offseason

Atlanta Hawks: Wing Defense

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Scoring was not a problem for the Atlanta Hawks. Only the Utah Jazz put up more points per 100 possessions. But they were on the other end of the spectrum on defense, finishing 26th in points allowed per 100 possessions.

The obvious need is defense, particularly on the perimeter, where offense-first players like Trae Young, Kevin Huerter and Bogdan Bogdanovic were routinely beaten.

Clint Capela and Onyeka Okongwu are decent inside (the latter holds up well in switches too), but the other Hawks need to do a better job of shutting things down before the backline is tested.

As one of the teams without cap space, Atlanta might have to get creative in addressing that need. Or it might look at a free agent who isn't expected to get a ton of attention like Derrick Jones Jr.
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#178 » by dms269 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:42 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
1 Hole Each NBA Team Must Fill This Offseason

Atlanta Hawks: Wing Defense

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Scoring was not a problem for the Atlanta Hawks. Only the Utah Jazz put up more points per 100 possessions. But they were on the other end of the spectrum on defense, finishing 26th in points allowed per 100 possessions.

The obvious need is defense, particularly on the perimeter, where offense-first players like Trae Young, Kevin Huerter and Bogdan Bogdanovic were routinely beaten.

Clint Capela and Onyeka Okongwu are decent inside (the latter holds up well in switches too), but the other Hawks need to do a better job of shutting things down before the backline is tested.

As one of the teams without cap space, Atlanta might have to get creative in addressing that need. Or it might look at a free agent who isn't expected to get a ton of attention like Derrick Jones Jr.
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So essentially what we have been saying all along. This is why adding a big man (Gobert) for 2+ starters makes no sense when we have a much bigger hole.
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Re: What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations) 

Post#179 » by raleigh » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:07 pm

Had the team not started off the season so poorly, we're probably all discussing a Huerter -for- wing defender trade right now. I guess we still could...
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Post#180 » by D21 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:42 pm

raleigh wrote:Had the team not started off the season so poorly, we're probably all discussing a Huerter -for- wing defender trade right now. I guess we still could...

And even with a bad beginning, had the team finished without Capela, Collins and Bogi injuries, we would not hear some of the stupid trade proposals talking about our players like they are not good enough, when they have better impact than a lot of other All-Star level guys like Lavine, Mitchell,... and even Ayton but this one can still improve a lot (it doesn't change my mind that we would be better with Turner than Ayton, especially because it would allow to improve other spots)

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1 Hole Each NBA Team Must Fill This Offseason

Atlanta Hawks: Wing Defense

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Scoring was not a problem for the Atlanta Hawks. Only the Utah Jazz put up more points per 100 possessions. But they were on the other end of the spectrum on defense, finishing 26th in points allowed per 100 possessions.

The obvious need is defense, particularly on the perimeter, where offense-first players like Trae Young, Kevin Huerter and Bogdan Bogdanovic were routinely beaten.

Clint Capela and Onyeka Okongwu are decent inside (the latter holds up well in switches too), but the other Hawks need to do a better job of shutting things down before the backline is tested.

As one of the teams without cap space, Atlanta might have to get creative in addressing that need. Or it might look at a free agent who isn't expected to get a ton of attention like Derrick Jones Jr.
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Ohh, they are now realizing that this is the biggest problem for ATL... but they are still slow enough to not understand yet that it's not a guy signed with a exception that will fix that

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