Who do you want us to take at #1?

[PrimeThyme]

Great summary and scouting report of all the prospects

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Awesome doc.

Chet and Ivey are the two who really stick out to me. I think Ivey is going to be awesome. Especially when you look at that FTR. I see his game translating pretty effortlessly. The shooting may take a year or two.

[Magic4champ]

Great summary and scouting report of all the prospects

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Awesome doc.

Chet and Ivey are the two who really stick out to me. I think Ivey is going to be awesome. Especially when you look at that FTR. I see his game translating pretty effortlessly. The shooting may take a year or two.

Ivey and Banchero are awesome offensive weapons, surefire to translate 3 level scorers. Chet is not the same stat stuffer offensively but he'll be a longer version of Franz playing off the ball. Chet impacts the game by his on court smarts and defensive IQ and reads. These 3 guys Banchero, Ivey and Chet are the can't miss prospects.

[ibraheim718]

Comparing Bol Bol to Chet is hilarious. Hilariously bad. Bol Bol has absolutely no clue on the defensive end.. like none at all. He gets completely lost on that side of the ball whereas Chet is a savant.

[basketballRob]

Comparing Bol Bol to Chet is hilarious. Hilariously bad. Bol Bol has absolutely no clue on the defensive end.. like none at all. He gets completely lost on that side of the ball whereas Chet is a savant.

Let's see how Chet plays against guys as big as him.

[pepe1991]

If you can't see difference between Chet and Bamba you probably shouldn't watch basketball any more.

Bamba is player who has no basketball awarness. He just has long hands that allowed him at college to recover from mistakes. In nba it's not enough.

Bamba also had one of the worst assist to turnover rates in college history, among players projected to be drafted in first rounds.
His college assist career high was- two.

To this date he is black hole on offense and once he gets ball it's either turnover or jumpshot.


Chet is definition of "anti Bamba". Player who processes game better than majority of guards. Who projects plays and inserts himself in right positions, who can pass the ball ( and that's skill that will translate much better in nba than it was at college ) and who will be very strong help defender execlly because he understands and reads game so well.

Fact that he stands at 195 pounds and people still can't bully him tells you everything about his elite positioning.


"but he got scored 30 points by Victor Wembanyama " ...whoo.
For start, Victor is best prospect since Zion and Doncic, 7'3 phenom who will dominate nba for years.
Second, Victor didn't even play all that well. Shot 6-14 FG, 1-5 for 3, but had 9-9 FTs , however, he fouled out of a game.

[basketballRob]

If you can't see difference between Chet and Bamba you probably shouldn't watch basketball any more.

They were the same as far as blocking shots and steals in college. Based on that they could be the same in the NBA in BPG and SPG. I just push back when people think Chet's going to come in and be Rudy Gobert on defense and Durant on offense.

I'm surprised you like Chet. You complained for years that Bamba's body would break if he played significant NBA minutes and Chet is thinner than him.

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[OrlandoNed]

If you can't see difference between Chet and Bamba you probably shouldn't watch basketball any more.

They were the same as far as blocking shots and steals in college. Based on that they could be the same in the NBA in BPG and SPG. I just push back when people think Chet's going to come in and be Rudy Gobert on defense and Durant on offense.

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I agree. He can dribble and shoot better than the average center but that does not mean the comparison carries over to everybody else in the league. Those skills aren't that impressive when compared to the average PG, SG, SF and PF.

[pepe1991]

I can't even.

In sport where you get assist despite player making 5 dribbles after reciving pass and making jumper, Mo Bamba had 0 assists in 16 out of 30 college games.

And you compare them because steals and blocks?

Anthony Davis had 1,4 steals, 4,7 blocks, Walker Kessler has 1,1 steals, 4,6 blocks so i guess Walker is new Davis right?

My God, i'm out, my brain can just take so much

[Blue_and_Whte]

I can't even.

In sport where you get assist despite player making 5 dribbles after reciving pass and making jumper, Mo Bamba had 0 assists in 16 out of 30 college games.

And you compare them because steals and blocks?

Anthony Davis had 1,4 steals, 4,7 blocks, Walker Kessler has 1,1 steals, 4,6 blocks so i guess Walker is new Davis right?

My God, i'm out, my brain can just take so much

Yeah it’s pretty bad.

[SOUL]

I can't even.

In sport where you get assist despite player making 5 dribbles after reciving pass and making jumper, Mo Bamba had 0 assists in 16 out of 30 college games.

And you compare them because steals and blocks?

Anthony Davis had 1,4 steals, 4,7 blocks, Walker Kessler has 1,1 steals, 4,6 blocks so i guess Walker is new Davis right?

My God, i'm out, my brain can just take so much

To be fair, Rob can be just as right saying that as you saying Jabari won't be a star and will just be a good role player. In the end, we don't know. Not necessarily saying that Chet will be Bamba is a good take, just that saying he could be more ineffective than people think while Jabari is the right pick could be right. It's possible. So is Chet being way better because of all the advanced metrics in college and Jabari being mediocre because of his inside game and dribble.

Personally, I think you both write a lot with some hyperbole and assumptions. It's part of your charm but also annoying to argue with

[pepe1991]

I can't even.

In sport where you get assist despite player making 5 dribbles after reciving pass and making jumper, Mo Bamba had 0 assists in 16 out of 30 college games.

And you compare them because steals and blocks?

Anthony Davis had 1,4 steals, 4,7 blocks, Walker Kessler has 1,1 steals, 4,6 blocks so i guess Walker is new Davis right?

My God, i'm out, my brain can just take so much

To be fair, Rob can be just as right saying that as you saying Jabari won't be a star and will just be a good role player. In the end, we don't know. Not necessarily saying that Chet will be Bamba is a good take, just that saying he could be more ineffective than people think while Jabari is the right pick could be right. It's possible. So is Chet being way better because of all the advanced metrics in college and Jabari being mediocre because of his inside game and dribble.

Personally, I think you both write a lot with some hyperbole and assumptions. It's part of your charm but also annoying to argue with

I never said Jabari can't be star. I said he can't be best offensive player on elite team. That's pretty evident and not hard to "predict" because when you look skillset of best players and compare it to Jabari's skillset, they are different. Ballhandling, passing and ability to attack rim are not complimentary basketball skills, they are pivotal for best nba players.

Chet's comparison to Bamba is just laughable. Chet has floor vision. Bamba is blind.
Chet has BBIQ that allows him to play at elite level despite being toothpick. Bamba is dummy.
Chet understands basketball positioning. Bamba is out of position most of the time.
Chet can actually create space around rim. Bamba can't post up 6'2 guards in nba.
Chet can run transition and deliver ball in right spot. Bamba has zero desire to run in general.

Chet is contender to go first overall because of it. Bamba was drafted 6th ( and overdrafted based on nothing but measurments ).

I don't mind different opinions as long as they follow any logic, even if that logic is illogical.
But slapping BPG & SPG to figure Chet is Bamba vol 2 is as apsurd as that Kesller- Anthony Davis comparison ( and it's hilarious how similar their BPG & SPGs are). For sake of similar opinion, Doug Mcdermott 3rd college year was probably more impressive in terms of PPG, RPG than M.Jordan's

As for Jabari Smith, and i repeated this multiple times, imo he is good prospect but guy i would prefer to pair with post dominant center.

[j_n]

Great summary and scouting report of all the prospects

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Awesome doc.

Chet and Ivey are the two who really stick out to me. I think Ivey is going to be awesome. Especially when you look at that FTR. I see his game translating pretty effortlessly. The shooting may take a year or two.

Ivey and Banchero are awesome offensive weapons, surefire to translate 3 level scorers. Chet is not the same stat stuffer offensively but he'll be a longer version of Franz playing off the ball. Chet impacts the game by his on court smarts and defensive IQ and reads. These 3 guys Banchero, Ivey and Chet are the can't miss prospects.

Can't miss?
Chet may never be able to add weight without losing his mobility and is more likely to suffer injuries.

Banchero is a below average outside shooter and defender, and Ivey has questionable decision making and outside shot, each of them could become one of the the worst #1 in history.

[basketballRob]

I can't even.

In sport where you get assist despite player making 5 dribbles after reciving pass and making jumper, Mo Bamba had 0 assists in 16 out of 30 college games.

And you compare them because steals and blocks?

Anthony Davis had 1,4 steals, 4,7 blocks, Walker Kessler has 1,1 steals, 4,6 blocks so i guess Walker is new Davis right?

My God, i'm out, my brain can just take so much

To be fair, Rob can be just as right saying that as you saying Jabari won't be a star and will just be a good role player. In the end, we don't know. Not necessarily saying that Chet will be Bamba is a good take, just that saying he could be more ineffective than people think while Jabari is the right pick could be right. It's possible. So is Chet being way better because of all the advanced metrics in college and Jabari being mediocre because of his inside game and dribble.

Personally, I think you both write a lot with some hyperbole and assumptions. It's part of your charm but also annoying to argue with

I never said Jabari can't be star. I said he can't be best offensive player on elite team. That's pretty evident and not hard to "predict" because when you look skillset of best players and compare it to Jabari's skillset, they are different. Ballhandling, passing and ability to attack rim are not complimentary basketball skills, they are pivotal for best nba players.

Chet's comparison to Bamba is just laughable. Chet has floor vision. Bamba is blind.
Chet has BBIQ that allows him to play at elite level despite being toothpick. Bamba is dummy.
Chet understands basketball positioning. Bamba is out of position most of the time.
Chet can actually create space around rim. Bamba can't post up 6'2 guards in nba.
Chet can run transition and deliver ball in right spot. Bamba has zero desire to run in general.

Chet is contender to go first overall because of it. Bamba was drafted 6th ( and overdrafted based on nothing but measurments ).

I don't mind different opinions as long as they follow any logic, even if that logic is illogical.
But slapping BPG & SPG to figure Chet is Bamba vol 2 is as apsurd as that Kesller- Anthony Davis comparison ( and it's hilarious how similar their BPG & SPGs are). For sake of similar opinion, Doug Mcdermott 3rd college year was probably more impressive in terms of PPG, RPG than M.Jordan's

As for Jabari Smith, and i repeated this multiple times, imo he is good prospect but guy i would prefer to pair with post dominant center.

You say Chet has floor vision but last week I listened to one of the Gonzaga people on Lock on Magic and he said Chet wasn't a good passer. The stats back up that assessment.

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[tiderulz]

Awesome doc.

Chet and Ivey are the two who really stick out to me. I think Ivey is going to be awesome. Especially when you look at that FTR. I see his game translating pretty effortlessly. The shooting may take a year or two.

Ivey and Banchero are awesome offensive weapons, surefire to translate 3 level scorers. Chet is not the same stat stuffer offensively but he'll be a longer version of Franz playing off the ball. Chet impacts the game by his on court smarts and defensive IQ and reads. These 3 guys Banchero, Ivey and Chet are the can't miss prospects.

Can't miss?
Chet may never be able to add weight without losing his mobility and is more likely to suffer injuries.

Banchero is a below average outside shooter and defender, and Ivey has questionable decision making and outside shot, each of them could become one of the the worst #1 in history.

Paolo can and likely will improve his defense. Much easier to improve than learning handle or learning to shoot from the outside

[Def Swami]

The Magic brought Smith in for a light workout and interview this week but continue to cast a wide net, scheduling additional visits with the likes of Paolo Banchero, Keegan Murray, Shaedon Sharpe and others. NBA executives overwhelmingly expect the Magic to select Smith, but they'll perform their due diligence to ensure they make the right choice.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement

[basketballRob]

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[tiderulz]

The Magic brought Smith in for a light workout and interview this week but continue to cast a wide net, scheduling additional visits with the likes of Paolo Banchero, Keegan Murray, Shaedon Sharpe and others. NBA executives overwhelmingly expect the Magic to select Smith, but they'll perform their due diligence to ensure they make the right choice.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement

I’ve said before I like Keegan. Not saying we take him at 1, but I do see him going in or near top 5. If they don’t absolutely love the top 3, move back and pick up another player/pick.

[89Magicfan]

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Good listening.

There are things I do like about Jabari and this is one of them.

[basketballRob]

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[dsg2021]

I’m getting to the point that I’d be disappointed if it wasn’t Jabari. You have to read past what the numbers say here, because if Jabari’s unguardable 3 carries over even somewhat, well, I already know he’s going to improve everything else too.

Locking in, what is it, 54 mil a year on Chet Holmgren someday and he doesn’t become the top scorer and ball handler is not my cup of tea. I trust the tag team of WCJ and Mo. And if JI’s career was filled with injuries early like Steph Curry and then not so much afterwards, then we got a Gobert, Chet of our own defensively (and even better offensively).

I’m also not interested in 54 mil a year someday on Paolo when everything about him screams perennial B tier All Star when you needed an A tier one or All-NBA one.

The future is going to be Jabari, Isaac, and Franz. With hopes and prayers on Suggs and Fultz, or FA signings of Damian Lillard and Jordan Poole instead, plus a trade for Steven Adams xD