Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics

Moderators: Domejandro, ken6199, Dirk, infinite11285, Clav, bwgood77, bisme37, zimpy27, KingDavid, cupcakesnake

4 Questions

Poll ended at Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:31 am

Q1: Keep the GM
126
22%
Q1: Fire the GM
9
2%
Q2: Keep the coach
125
22%
Q2: Fire the coach
11
2%
Q3: Performed better than expected
136
24%
Q3: Performed as expected
10
2%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
10
2%
Q4: Rising Team
98
17%
Q4: Treadmill Team
34
6%
Q4: Waning Team
13
2%
 
Total votes: 572

SinceGatlingWasARookie
RealGM
Posts: 11,712
And1: 2,759
Joined: Aug 25, 2005
Location: Northern California

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#241 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:39 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Tyus jones would be a sneaky good get for them.

Can Boston take Tyus Jones from Memphis because Memphis is Small market and Boston is large Market?
As a Warrior fan having seen both teams I think Memphis is probably the 2nd best team and Boston 3rd best team. In Both cases Jones is not a starter but rather a heavy minutes back up.

I think Jones is a better playmaker than Derrick White but White is a pretty good player. Celtics should grab Jones if they can but Memphis needs to keep Jones to push for the 2023 championship.
wco81
RealGM
Posts: 27,048
And1: 11,538
Joined: Jul 04, 2013
       

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#242 » by wco81 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:41 pm

Jones is a UFA, so anyone can sign him. He earned over $8 million this past season.

Memphis is looking at a huge extension for Ja after this upcoming season. Also Brooks and Adams will be UFAs in July 2023 and Clarke will be RFA.

I think Bane and Tillman may be extension eligible next summer as well.

So they will certainly give out big extensions for Ja and Bane. Not clear if they're going to want to pay Brooks over $20 million or Clarke in the $15 million range.

Or pay to keep Adams.

So unless Jones can't draw bigger offers, they may not be able to keep him.
TinmanZBoy
General Manager
Posts: 7,828
And1: 5,142
Joined: Jul 11, 2015
         

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#243 » by TinmanZBoy » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:31 pm

I take back my earlier assessment that they need a sure hand floor general type… I think they are fine with the current structure… sure a good floor general should help, but ultimately the Celtics needs to figure out how to run their offense more efficiently..,for half court offense, I hope they add elements of triangle offense… pass the ball more, they are improving on that all season long, another year of gelling they should be scarily good next season…
Hi Clutchie, I love you... :kiss
User avatar
robbie84
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,408
And1: 4,823
Joined: Dec 24, 2011
Location: Cape Cod, MA.
     

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#244 » by robbie84 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:50 am

everdiso wrote:As a long time Celtics hater I actually wouldn't mess with the core much. They're not actually young anymore so we're probably seeing their peak already but tatum-brown-smart-williams have proven they can win at a high level and should be good for a while.

Horford is good but obviously near the end - probably best to just keep him unless you can pull off a steal of some kind.

I like White a lot but he might be their best trade bait - maybe they can use him to get a purer PG and 3rd option type.

The rest imo should be aggressively marketed on the off chance that their youth a draft pedigree could still tempt aomeone to give up something.

Packaging White plus some younger guys for a 3rd option PG is probably the ideal scenario. That would solve most of the issues with their lineup.

After that, the only question left to answer would be whether Tatum can be a champion 1st option. I ha e my doubts....but hey, might as well gamble on him and see if he can do it.


Rob W =24
Tatum=24
Brown= 25
Smart=28

Jaylen Brown is 3 years away from his prime. Rob and Tatum are 4 years away. Smart has entered his prime this year.
I'd say they're pretty 'young' lol.

But thankyou for the constructive discussion.
Derrick White is too important to our rotation to let go under pretty much any circumstances.
As you say, the core is fine, and their identity is their defense.
They just need a bit more scoring production off the bench. There's a large trade exception which might come in handy but I think they will try and see what they can get out of their 3 point shooters on the bench to fill that void.
Aaron Nesmith has looked very good at times as a 3 and D sharpshooter who can also attack off the dribble. Grant Williams will ideally get even better at becoming a dribble drive threat.
The final piece of the puzzle would be to have Nik Stauskas have a bit of a resurrection/awakening and turn into bubble Duncan Robinson.

The offense was stagnant in the finals at times, but that's how this team is. They don't need to score a lot of points because they usually stop their opponents scoring enough to win. The problem in the finals was our turnovers led to too many easy transition points for the Warriors. Getting a floor general/PG might help that, but their turnovers weren't too bad throughout the playoffs until the finals, so I think it's being over stated by a lot of people who probably didn't watch too much of the Celtics until the finals.
One day Marcus Smart will be defensive player of the year, mark my words.
Curmudgeon
RealGM
Posts: 42,227
And1: 26,017
Joined: Jan 20, 2004
Location: Boston, MA

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#245 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:14 pm

They need more toughness-- mental and physical. I'm going after Marcus Morris or Jae Crowder with their TPE.
"Numbers lie alot. Wins and losses don't lie." - Jerry West
"You are what your record says you are."- Bill Parcells
"Offense sells tickets. Defense wins games. Rebounding wins championships." Pat Summit
djsunyc
RealGM
Posts: 100,391
And1: 74,291
Joined: Dec 28, 2003

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#246 » by djsunyc » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:18 pm

robbie84 wrote:Rob W =24
Tatum=24
Brown= 25
Smart=28

Jaylen Brown is 3 years away from his prime. Rob and Tatum are 4 years away. Smart has entered his prime this year.
I'd say they're pretty 'young' lol.


i think years served play a bigger factor than age. brown is 25 - but he just completed his 6th season. i would say this is his prime now. but b/c of his age, he would have more years of prime.
User avatar
robbie84
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,408
And1: 4,823
Joined: Dec 24, 2011
Location: Cape Cod, MA.
     

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#247 » by robbie84 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:36 pm

djsunyc wrote:
robbie84 wrote:Rob W =24
Tatum=24
Brown= 25
Smart=28

Jaylen Brown is 3 years away from his prime. Rob and Tatum are 4 years away. Smart has entered his prime this year.
I'd say they're pretty 'young' lol.


i think years served play a bigger factor than age. brown is 25 - but he just completed his 6th season. i would say this is his prime now. but b/c of his age, he would have more years of prime.


28 is the physical peak of males- I guess it's maturity, intelligence and physical all combined. eg: think how much better Brown's and Tatum's dribble/handles could get in 3 years from now.
One day Marcus Smart will be defensive player of the year, mark my words.
User avatar
ballup
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,965
And1: 3,527
Joined: Dec 08, 2013
 

Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Boston Celtics 

Post#248 » by ballup » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:04 pm

Needed internal improvements:

Jayson Tatum has to figure out how establish a scoring baseline. Too often for a player of his caliber, he'll have a cold streak, then a hot streak. Some of this has to come from a mentality adjustment. Has to score more with his size, which was pivotal to the Finals. He cns take cues from his teammate in developing an inbetween game. However, I would worry on him overrelying on this rather than having it as a last option.

Jaylen Brown has to relearn his dribbling. It got worse over the year. If he is able to keep it under control, he has the rounded scoring skills to get a favorable shot off. He also needs to improve his playmaking reads like Tatum did.

Marcus Smart has to improve his post entry passing. Whenever the Celtics had a mismstch, it took too long for them to get the ball to them. This is a lost art unfortunately and I doubtful it's what will be worked upon.

Recommended roster addition:

A backup wing who can shoot. While the Smart/White lineup is good for many instances, the lack of spacing hurt the Celtics.

A third string big more effective than Theis. They'll need this whenever Timelord is hurt.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

Return to The General Board