Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Bobby back on a 4/$49 deal, Ingles 1 year deal

Post #561 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:23 am

blazza18 wrote:Not fully sold on Pat as a player

This stuff shouldn’t even be up for debate. Good lord, his extension probably ends up the same as what we paid Delly

Chad34 · Post #562 » by **Chad34** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:30 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:Not fully sold on Pat as a player

This stuff shouldn’t even be up for debate. Good lord, his extension probably ends up the same as what we paid Delly

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Glad he's back! I was down on Pat until the championship run, ever since then he's been one of our more reliable/clutch players.

wallus · Post #563 » by **wallus** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:30 am

Not fully sold on Giannis as a player

blazza18 · Post #564 » by **blazza18** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:35 am

paulpressey25 wrote: This stuff shouldn’t even be up for debate. Good lord, his extension probably ends up the same as what we paid Delly

I'm happy he's sticking around for whatever price because it's not my money and he's been one of the few success stories. Don't particularly care for him much defensively at all though. He's not my type of wing player.

brettski · Post #565 » by **brettski** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:16 am

blazza18 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote: This stuff shouldn’t even be up for debate. Good lord, his extension probably ends up the same as what we paid Delly

I'm happy he's sticking around for whatever price because it's not my money and he's been one of the few success stories. Don't particularly care for him much defensively at all though. He's not my type of wing player.

he was part of our championship run. He works damn hard, shoots 39.5% on 3s at 5.7 per game and if we didn't ask him to defend power forwards etc he'd be great for us off the bench as a back up 2/3.

blazza18 · Post #566 » by **blazza18** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:32 am

brettski wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote: This stuff shouldn’t even be up for debate. Good lord, his extension probably ends up the same as what we paid Delly

I'm happy he's sticking around for whatever price because it's not my money and he's been one of the few success stories. Don't particularly care for him much defensively at all though. He's not my type of wing player.

he was part of our championship run. He works damn hard, shoots 39.5% on 3s at 5.7 per game and if we didn't ask him to defend power forwards etc he'd be great for us off the bench as a back up 2/3.

He's a good backup as is and I'm not advocating for him to not come back. I just don't like how he plays on defence and to me he's too slow to guard most 2/3's and not big enough to guard most 4's. He's a tweener.

LuessiT · Post #567 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:20 am

Shower thought: I think Pat is closer to being an all star than out of the league.

slos · Post #568 » by **slos** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:32 am

Spurs seem to have a Jrue like asking price for Murray. Bucks have most of this package with #24, 2029 FRP and 2028 swap. Maybe we can milk another 1st out of Brook and Allen.

I know Murray isn’t the shooter you want next to Giannis, but he ticks every other box. Same timeline with Giannis, extremely friendly contract, elite defender.

DrWood · Post #569 » by **DrWood** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:14 am

BigO wrote:
DrWood wrote:
BigO wrote:
What you're missing is that the NBA game has changed a lot and relies much more on the three point shot than it did years ago. So while protecting the paint will always be important, it is much less important than it used to be. When a higher percentage of NBA team points are three pointers compared to the past, it means guarding the three point line is more important than it used to be.

So saying that you have to "give the opponent something" is not only not true (one of those banal maxims that have no truth), if it were, three point shots are not the "something" that you would want to give up.

The Bucks were 19th in three point percentage given up. That's just not good enough.

The current wave of defense in my view is what Boston and the Warriors have done. They play a predominantly switching defense, whose sole point is not to "give up something". It's premise is that you always want a defender on the ball, no matter where the ball is, but especially at the three point line.

The Celtics were first and the Warrior were third this past season in three point defense. And this was the main reason the Celtics were successful with what I consider inferior talent compared to a lot of teams.

Maybe you should have actually read my post and/or looked at the link.
THE BUCKS ARE GOOD AT DEFENDING THE CORNER THREE; i.e. the type of three you particularly want to be good at defending.

You're fixated on the corner three? THE BUCKS WERE 19TH IN DEFENDING THE THREE THIS PAST SEASON (see, I can use CAPS too).

Who cares which threes they were good or bad at guarding? The point is that every team should attempt to limit open shots, especially three point shots. Your assumption that it's ok to give up open threes that aren't corner threes is your problem. If that was Bud's goal, he succeeded miserably. Don't set up a defensive scheme that's predicated on giving up open shots, especially threes.

your inability to understand this is not necessarily due to my inability to explain it to you.

Fotis St · Post #570 » by **Fotis St** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:01 pm

My target list to fill the roster would be:

Delon Wright
Hamidou Diallo
Isaiah Hartenstein (MLE)

Add shooters :
Bryn Forbes (SG)
Nik Stauskas (SG SF)
Sloukas (Olympiacos) (PG SG)
Tyler Dorsey (Olympiacos) (PG SG)

DanteSunday · Post #571 » by **DanteSunday** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 pm

If your the Bucks would you trade Hill's $4 expiring and #24 to Boston for Grant Williams with 2 yrs left on rookie contract? As much as I dislike the guy, I would seriously consider it.

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

LuessiT · Post #572 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:50 pm

DanteSunday wrote:If your the Bucks would you trade Hill's $4 expiring and #24 to Boston for Grant Williams with 2 yrs left on rookie contract? As much as I dislike the guy, I would seriously consider it.

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

Grant has only one more year. If he had two, probably?

soxperry · Post #573 » by **soxperry** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:05 pm

another factor to consider with Pat and perhaps Bobby as well....

these 10-12 m contracts are great for trade matching purposes. I think everybody wants to see at least one more run with the core before we blow anything up but if that day comes and will be nice to have flexibility

soxperry · Post #574 » by **soxperry** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:11 pm

DanteSunday wrote:If your the Bucks would you trade Hill's $4 expiring and #24 to Boston for Grant Williams with 2 yrs left on rookie contract? As much as I dislike the guy, I would seriously consider it.

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

if your Boston why would you trade him and if you trade him why would you trade him to your biggest obstacle?

Brewhoopfan · Post #575 » by **Brewhoopfan** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:26 pm

humanrefutation wrote:Pat went from being a borderline rotation player who we inexplicably gave an extra year to, to becoming a pretty solid rotation player who has improved his shooting. No complaints about having him back, especially at that price.

This.

3pt %: 2020: 33% 2021: 37%. 2022: 39.5%.
3 pt att/game: 2020: 2.5 2021: 3.9 2022: 5.7

That's a pretty incredible trajectory for age 27-29. He's gone from a guy everyone wanted in the dunk contest to someone I think could win the 3pt contest. PC is mentally and physically tough. I think you'll see Pat in a Bucks uniform for as long as Giannis is in Milwaukee.

Ron Swanson · Post #576 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:38 pm

Pat's a prime example of how it's always good to bank on wings with elite athleticism and not focus too much on shooting efficiency as long as the baseline skill set and mechanics are there. He's on the Gerald Green/Jason Richardson mid-late career shooting trajectory.

JayMKE · Post #577 » by **JayMKE** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:46 pm

Hard not to love Pat as a player, he's gotten better every year here and is tough as nails.

buckbeer · Post #578 » by **buckbeer** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:53 pm

I'd rather have Pat than Grayson as the starting SG next season.

machu46 · Post #579 » by **machu46** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:56 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Pat's a prime example of how it's always good to bank on wings with elite athleticism and not focus too much on shooting efficiency as long as the baseline skill set and mechanics are there. He's on the Gerald Green/Jason Richardson mid-late career shooting trajectory.

Probably helps that he was a good shooter on high volume in college and a good free throw shooter as well. All the indicators were there that he'd be a good shooter in the NBA. It just took a relatively long time for whatever reason.

JimmyTheKid · Post #580 » by **JimmyTheKid** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:06 pm

JayMKE wrote:Hard not to love Pat as a player, he's gotten better every year here and is tough as nails.

Not only that but we've seen him make huge plays on the biggest stage. A legitimate ECF and Finals rotation piece with the ability to positively affect the game in a numerous ways. After criticizing Horst for inexplicably giving Pat a third year I will be keeping my mouth shut about his next contract. He's earned it.