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Political Roundtable Part XXXI

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Post#21 » by dobrojim » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:45 pm

speaking of slavery, I came away (yesterday) from this thinking it might be the best letter to the editor I've seen in the WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/21/potential-lesson-critical-real-estate-theory/

As we continue to dig trenches and throw grenades in the culture wars, perhaps we can cut to the chase and make the nostalgic defenders of “heritage” put up or shut up. How about if we take just one street in (places such as) Mosby Woods and rename it “Slavery Street,” and have the residents enter a lottery to see whose street gets renamed? That way, the whole of our “heritage” is displayed.

If the winsome Dixie-philes really want to pay tribute to their heroes of the Lost Cause, they’ll have to put their money (real estate values?) where their mouths are. If they end up losing that gamble, they can then explain the whole story of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, John Mosby, et al., and avoid complaining about the municipal costs and social disruption of correcting our historical prejudices.

The neo-Confederates can keep their precious generals on their signs, but in return they get one poignant dose of the real history of the Civil War! As a teacher, I believe that the whole purpose of learning history isn’t to wax nostalgic for the “good old days” or to prove how patriotic we are. It’s to learn how not to make the same shameful mistakes of the past all over again. That’s how you make a “more perfect union.”
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Post#22 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:46 pm

so if it's not clear what I'm saying, forcing black people to live in a police state is just as economically harmful as having them live in an apartheid state.

The only difference between the two is "intent" (if you're naive enough to believe people don't know what the effect of systematically persecuting a certain subset of the population will be), but economically they are indistinguishable (from a convergence perspective, of course black people on average are better off now than they were in the sixties)
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Post#23 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:48 pm

I googled "examples of police state in modern cinema" and this was the closest I got. Apparently we should all go watch "Top of the Heap" for Hollywood's best depiction of the flaws inherent in our current policing system.

https://crookedmarquee.com/get-out-of-this-machine-how-seventies-cinema-confronted-the-american-police-state/?fbclid=IwAR1_DrCsjdHVG4tys7GC0RnxLDqhswo4hx7g32NmA2QVZUrFjfcM5onrpR8
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Post#24 » by dobrojim » Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:11 pm

https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop

Zonk may have seen this already...it's not new. A close relative, who is a police abolitionist, made
me aware of it.
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Post#25 » by pancakes3 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:03 pm

you don't need explicitly racist or authoritarian laws on the books to be a police state. the concept of legal immunity for officers who perform their work in the line of duty, and other restrictions on the ability of citizens to get remedies from officers who abuse their power effectively allows for a police state.

lawsuits against officers who kill completely innocent citizens are right now a coinflip as to whether there is liability for the officer. this means that every single person who is brutalized or even unnecessarily stopped and searched has no remedy against offending officers. you should be able to sue an officer for stop and frisk. you should even be able to have a remedy.

we all have 4th amendment rights to be secure in our persons but a right without a remedy is meaningless. when police have immunity and get to do things, even technically illegal, it is a police state.
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Post#26 » by Pointgod » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:17 pm

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Post#27 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:02 pm

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Post#28 » by 9 and 20 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:07 am

Jan 6 hearings the perfect prelude to the draft. Tommy on the list to preemptively ask for a pardon.

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Post#29 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:39 am

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Explains why they put off last Wednesday's hearing, which was going to be about Jeff Clark. FBI must have asked them to hold off until they could raid his house.
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Post#30 » by dobrojim » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:29 am

Golfy McBonespurs couldn't pardon folks involved in his conspiracy since any pardon
would prevent them from being able to avoid talking. And the pardons themselves
would be admissions and/or descriptions of what tRump himself did or conspired
with others to do.

LOL at Jeffrey Clark, the guy who didn't care about what would happen to his rep.
But maybe he gets the last laugh by becoming Trump's John Dean.
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Post#31 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:54 pm

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Explains why they put off last Wednesday's hearing, which was going to be about Jeff Clark. FBI must have asked them to hold off until they could raid his house.


HAH and that's exactly what Fox News accused them of. When the MSNBC folks asked Raskin about it he got all defensive. "Look I'm investigating Jan 6. I'm not investigating myself."

Have they learned nothing from Trump? Just say whatever thing you're doing out loud, take ownership of it, be proud of it, double down on it. "Yes the DOJ asked us to delay the hearing for a week and we complied. They didn't say why." Or even "hey if the DOJ had asked us to delay the hearings I would say so. Unlike the Republicans, I have nothing to hide."
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Post#32 » by dobrojim » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:09 pm

I'm trying to understand why this alleged coordination btw the committee and DOJ is a scandal.
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Post#33 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:23 pm

Roe v Wade is struck down with extremely stupid reasoning that ignores that when abortion was illegal, women were considered property

The whole idea of using historical precedent to decide modern policy is flat out insulting

Should black people not be allowed to own property then?

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Post#34 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:49 pm

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Post#35 » by Wizardspride » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:38 pm

And here we go......

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Post#36 » by pancakes3 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:35 pm

no deeply rooted tradition to uphold Loving. what say you, clarence?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#37 » by HiDef » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:05 pm

There are millions of Americans who practice religions that allow gay marriage... millions of Jews, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Unitarians, liberal Christians. The one religion that is the most hardline against it is Catholicism. and wouldn't ya know, every Conservative SCOTUS judge is Catholic, except Neil Gorsuch who was raised Catholic.

Just drives me **** insane how these people claim ownership over our "history and traditions" or our "judeochristian heritage" or god knows what else.

saying it doesn't meet the standard for equal protection under the law because of how 6 catholics view our country's history and the institution of marriage.. it's a spit in the face to religious freedom and the separation of church and state
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Post#38 » by closg00 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:29 pm

Wizardspride wrote:And here we go......

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We've know who Clarence Thomas is for quite some time, but now he has completely ripped his mask off
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Post#39 » by Wizardspride » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:56 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXI 

Post#40 » by montestewart » Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:42 am

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He should just issue joint press releases with Collins.

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