Blazers acquire Jerami Grant for MIL 25 1st.

[RTG HD]

What I like about the trade is that it brings in a good player without taking away long term flexibility. As someone who does not stop by often it is nice to see that the general board still loves us as much as the always have.

[Case2012]

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[Norm2953]

One more trade to be made involving Bledsoe but I'm skeptical Bledsoe + 7 will get OG from
Toronto.

Portland must be awfully close to the tax line and unless there is a HR deal out there to be had,
is likely to just use the 7 pick themselves to draft the BPA. I think I'd rather have Hart + Daniels
instead of OG if I were Portland

Based on moves so far I would be more surprised if we used the pick than traded it. And if we packaged it with someone I wonder what the return is.

That's the rub for Indiana a six might very well take Daniels for themselves leaving Portland to ponder the
various trade down scenarios. There seems to be no defined return for Bledsoe + 7 if OG is off the table
which suggests Portland will just have to use the pick themselves to pick Mathurin or Sharpe.

[Wickzki]

This is a solid deal by Cronin. It doesn't alleviate the terrible deals at the deadline, but this deal was very good.

Consider this. Had Cronin done his job and secured #8, Maybe we get Grant and Bey for 8 instead of just Grant. Anyhow, props to Cronin for a solid deal. Let's get greedy... #7 + Bledsoe for Collins + 16 or #7, Keon, and Bledsoe for OG. Now that would be an off-season.

It would alleviate the deadline deals.

We still have plus trade assets and haven't touched our lottery pick.

In my opinion, Grant and Hart are upgrades on CJ and Powell for winning NBA basketball. We're no longer reliant on three 6'3" and under guys to carry the squad.

If we can get something with the Bledsoe asset and either use our first round selection on a quality pick or a trade acquisition then that'll off set the loss of role players RoCo and Nance.

Then it's a matter of rounding out the roster.

We finally have NBA size again.

I am going to disagree a bit, not that I don't like the Grant trade (I do) but Right now Grant is replacing RoCo, not Powell... He's about the same size Robert. Hart has 2 inches on powell, but wingspan wise (which matters on defense) Norman is actually 2 inches longer.

This is why securing OG or another starting SF (or J. Collins if Cronin thinks Grant can still play the SF) with #7 is so important. If Hart starts at the SF, Portland hasn't gotten the job done. He's a SG, and needs to play there.

Hart will play at SG.

Golden State have proven with their Jordan Poole and Gary Payton II reserves that you need 3+ very good guards.

Dame, Hart and Ant gives us that.

The next step is getting the other forward. Be that Dyson Daniels (obviously more long-term than short with the hope that Nas can actually get and stay healthy) or a proven veteran. This is where it'll be interesting to see what we do with Bledsoe.

We're not nearly done yet.

[Soulyss]

It would alleviate the deadline deals.

We still have plus trade assets and haven't touched our lottery pick.

In my opinion, Grant and Hart are upgrades on CJ and Powell for winning NBA basketball. We're no longer reliant on three 6'3" and under guys to carry the squad.

If we can get something with the Bledsoe asset and either use our first round selection on a quality pick or a trade acquisition then that'll off set the loss of role players RoCo and Nance.

Then it's a matter of rounding out the roster.

We finally have NBA size again.

I am going to disagree a bit, not that I don't like the Grant trade (I do) but Right now Grant is replacing RoCo, not Powell... He's about the same size Robert. Hart has 2 inches on powell, but wingspan wise (which matters on defense) Norman is actually 2 inches longer.

This is why securing OG or another starting SF (or J. Collins if Cronin thinks Grant can still play the SF) with #7 is so important. If Hart starts at the SF, Portland hasn't gotten the job done. He's a SG, and needs to play there.

Hart will play at SG.

Golden State have proven with their Jordan Poole and Gary Payton II reserves that you need 3+ very good guards.

Dame, Hart and Ant gives us that.

The next step is getting the other forward. Be that Dyson Daniels (obviously more long-term than short with the hope that Nas can actually get and stay healthy) or a proven veteran. This is where it'll be interesting to see what we do with Bledsoe.

We're not nearly done yet.

I agree Hart will play SG and I agree that we need 3 good guards... Grant is a PF.. assuming we resign Simons and Nurk (Back PG/SG and C) we're still left with a gaping hole at the SF. I don't see Little as a starter just yet, and Daniels will be even more raw (and I do like Daniels). This is my point. we're not "Bigger" yet, and you need a OG or a Cam Johnson to finish this roster off. (and use the MLE on a backup center).

[m0ng0]

That was my question,. Where is the best place to play Grant to set him and us up for success, he seems like a tweener

[BlazersBroncos]

That was my question,. Where is the best place to play Grant to set him and us up for success, he seems like a tweener

For sure PF, he can play spot minutes at SF and in certain matchups if we want to run small ball C, but he is a PF and a poor rebounder as well. Having Hart and Nurkic to alleviate his rebounding is pretty important IMO.

[BNM]

Good deal for something that will likely be a late pick. Grant's shooting percentages were much better in Den and OKC when he was not 'the guy". This fits in with Dame's timeline.

We could potentially get OG as well and play Grant at the 4.

Dame/Simons/OG/Grant/Nurk

I'd actually like to see Hart start next to Dame with Simons coming off the bench in a 3 guard rotation.

That's a really solid starting lineup, that should be above average both offensively and defensively. Simons will probably start, but if they do a 3 guard rotation, Hart will be getting 30 minutes.

Yes, Grant was miscast as a No. 1 option in DET. He's much better and more efficient as a 3 and D 3rd or 4th option.

Grant + OG would be ideal as they are both very switchable defenders capable of playing either the 3 or 4. Grant + OG + Nurk would easily be the best frontline POR has had since Lopez/Aldridge/Batum - possibly better.

[BlazersBroncos]

Good deal for something that will likely be a late pick. Grant's shooting percentages were much better in Den and OKC when he was not 'the guy". This fits in with Dame's timeline.

We could potentially get OG as well and play Grant at the 4.

Dame/Simons/OG/Grant/Nurk

I'd actually like to see Hart start next to Dame with Simons coming off the bench in a 3 guard rotation.

That's a really solid starting lineup, that should be above average both offensively and defensively. Simons will probably start, but if they do a 3 guard rotation, Hart will be getting 30 minutes.

Yes, Grant was miscast as a No. 1 option in DET. He's much better and more efficient as a 3 and D 3rd or 4th option.

Grant + OG would be ideal as they are both very switchable defenders capable of playing either the 3 or 4. Grant + OG + Nurk would easily be the best frontline POR has had since Lopez/Aldridge/Batum - possibly better.

I think its pretty easily better, especially taking into account how the game has changed to value switching above all.

[red_power]

That RoCo for 2 FRP's trade now looks like a complete crapfest though.

[Pattycakes]

That RoCo for 2 FRP's trade now looks like a complete crapfest though.

Not sure I would have even traded one for him. Intangibles guy, but overall not worth it.

[DusterBuster]

That RoCo for 2 FRP's trade now looks like a complete crapfest though.

Yeah it does. I'm still not sure how RoCo's value was ever that high. I remember being super high on him and excited for that deal and just stunned he was supposedly so valuable. Admittedly, the RoCo experiment is probably not tempering my excitement for this Grant deal, but at least the value the team gave up is so much more reasonable.

[JasonStern]

That RoCo for 2 FRP's trade now looks like a complete crapfest though.

Yeah it does. I'm still not sure how RoCo's value was ever that high. I remember being super high on him and excited for that deal and just stunned he was supposedly so valuable. Admittedly, the RoCo experiment is probably not tempering my excitement for this Grant deal, but at least the value the team gave up is so much more reasonable.

Covington was one year removed from being first team all NBA defense. He was a win now piece to pair with Dame to try to improve a bad defense. In retrospect, especially after dumping him for nothing, it looks bad. But it made sense at the time and a lot of people thought the Blazers got a good deal (starter tier player at $12M/season for two late 1sts).

Trent for Powell was a bit more questionable given the abundance of 6'3" or shorter guards the team already had. But whatever. Powell is a solid player that was a key contributor to the Raptors championship, and acquiring him made sense if the goal was to trade CJ (which never happened).

The 1st for Nance was more confusing due to just trading two 1sts and GTJ, leaving the young core pretty barren. Plus Nance wasn't going to be a starter and was often injured. But there might have been more behind the scenes, like Derrick Jones Jr. being disgruntled. So not really a win, but I can understand it. The pick protections are brutal, though, as we are seeing when coming up with trade proposals.

But here's the thing - each of these small moves can be justified. But when you look at the big picture, the Blazers traded:

a 23 year old Gary Trent Jr., a 26 year old Derrick Jones Jr., 3 1st round picks

...for:

67 games of Powell, 118 games of Covington, 37 games of Nance.

...which became:

Keon Johnson, Eric Bledsoe's contract, and if you sell CJ short - the 2025 MIL 1st but that's kind of a stretch

FFS, what Portland sent out is what teams send out to acquire all-stars. And you wonder why the team is a just-over .500, lose in the first round treadmill team.

[DusterBuster]

That RoCo for 2 FRP's trade now looks like a complete crapfest though.

Yeah it does. I'm still not sure how RoCo's value was ever that high. I remember being super high on him and excited for that deal and just stunned he was supposedly so valuable. Admittedly, the RoCo experiment is probably not tempering my excitement for this Grant deal, but at least the value the team gave up is so much more reasonable.

Covington was one year removed from being first team all NBA defense. He was a win now piece to pair with Dame to try to improve a bad defense. In retrospect, especially after dumping him for nothing, it looks bad. But it made sense at the time and a lot of people thought the Blazers got a good deal (starter tier player at $12M/season for two late 1sts).

Trent for Powell was a bit more questionable given the abundance of 6'3" or shorter guards the team already had. But whatever. Powell is a solid player that was a key contributor to the Raptors championship, and acquiring him made sense if the goal was to trade CJ (which never happened).

The 1st for Nance was more confusing due to just trading two 1sts and GTJ, leaving the young core pretty barren. Plus Nance wasn't going to be a starter and was often injured. But there might have been more behind the scenes, like Derrick Jones Jr. being disgruntled. So not really a win, but I can understand it. The pick protections are brutal, though, as we are seeing when coming up with trade proposals.

But here's the thing - each of these small moves can be justified. But when you look at the big picture, the Blazers traded:

a 23 year old Gary Trent Jr., a 26 year old Derrick Jones Jr., 3 1st round picks

...for:

67 games of Powell, 118 games of Covington, 37 games of Nance.

...which became:

Keon Johnson, Eric Bledsoe's contract, and if you sell CJ short - the 2025 MIL 1st but that's kind of a stretch

FFS, what Portland sent out is what teams send out to acquire all-stars. And you wonder why the team is a just-over .500, lose in the first round treadmill team.

I genuinely forgot Covington was on the All-Defense team. With that, I can see why he was as highly rated as he was.

Regardless though, you're timeline of diminishing return is pretty astonishing. Textbook pissing away value. Buying high and selling low. Reddits r/wallstreetbets would be proud.

[Wickzki]

Just be thankful the NEO era is well and truly over.

Cronin's first moves were clearly engineering our way beyond those errors.

This off season's moves are the ones that will mark his tenure.

These are his guys now.

[Goldbum]

I'm warming to the idea of starting Winslow next to Grant. His aggression, passing, rebounding and D fit next to Grant's finishing and and defense. Those two could switch on the perimeter and balance each other's weaknesses.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

That RoCo for 2 FRP's trade now looks like a complete crapfest though.

Yeah it does. I'm still not sure how RoCo's value was ever that high. I remember being super high on him and excited for that deal and just stunned he was supposedly so valuable. Admittedly, the RoCo experiment is probably not tempering my excitement for this Grant deal, but at least the value the team gave up is so much more reasonable.

Covington was one year removed from being first team all NBA defense. He was a win now piece to pair with Dame to try to improve a bad defense. In retrospect, especially after dumping him for nothing, it looks bad. But it made sense at the time and a lot of people thought the Blazers got a good deal (starter tier player at $12M/season for two late 1sts).

Trent for Powell was a bit more questionable given the abundance of 6'3" or shorter guards the team already had. But whatever. Powell is a solid player that was a key contributor to the Raptors championship, and acquiring him made sense if the goal was to trade CJ (which never happened).

The 1st for Nance was more confusing due to just trading two 1sts and GTJ, leaving the young core pretty barren. Plus Nance wasn't going to be a starter and was often injured. But there might have been more behind the scenes, like Derrick Jones Jr. being disgruntled. So not really a win, but I can understand it. The pick protections are brutal, though, as we are seeing when coming up with trade proposals.

But here's the thing - each of these small moves can be justified. But when you look at the big picture, the Blazers traded:

a 23 year old Gary Trent Jr., a 26 year old Derrick Jones Jr., 3 1st round picks

...for:

67 games of Powell, 118 games of Covington, 37 games of Nance.

...which became:

Keon Johnson, Eric Bledsoe's contract, and if you sell CJ short - the 2025 MIL 1st but that's kind of a stretch

FFS, what Portland sent out is what teams send out to acquire all-stars. And you wonder why the team is a just-over .500, lose in the first round treadmill team.

Great breakdown.

I think its the sunk cost fallacy, or something similar, but how each step of the journey can kind of make sense in isolation but its patently absurd when you look at it from a birds eye view. And a GM should have as job #1 a birds eye view on the franchise direction, to not get caught up in the weeds throwing good money after bad.

I think in some ways the job of GM pushes them toward sunk cost fallacy type decision making. In the words of a bomb-defuser describing their job, either they get it right or its not their problem anymore.

[JasonStern]

I think its the sunk cost fallacy, or something similar, but how each step of the journey can kind of make sense in isolation but its patently absurd when you look at it from a birds eye view. And a GM should have as job #1 a birds eye view on the franchise direction, to not get caught up in the weeds throwing good money after bad.

I think in some ways the job of GM pushes them toward sunk cost fallacy type decision making. In the words of a bomb-defuser describing their job, either they get it right or its not their problem anymore.

And that was the beauty of Olshey. Struck gold with Dame, then managed to keep the team competitive enough to collect seven figure paychecks each year. Suck up to ownership, run a profitable team, rinse and repeat. Worry more about CTC/job security than building a contender.

[JasonStern]

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[m0ng0]

I would not be upset if this was flexed into something else. But for some reason I feel like this is a done deal.