Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[saloonyk8]

Best running mate next to Trae: 1. Jaylen Brown 2. SGA 3. Murray....I didn't think any of these would be available

[Years90Suns]

Best running mate next to Trae: 1. Jaylen Brown 2. SGA 3. Murray....I didn't think any of these would be available

Brown is a very good player but there are two things with him:

- he is not available.
- he is not a game creator.

Also, too inclined to losing the ball. Not a great idea next to Trae.

[Years90Suns]

Someone do a pulse check on me if we get Harrison Barnes for Collins and not Ivey or Murray at this point

Yes, that would be awful now.

[Years90Suns]

Theoretically, the SAS want similar value than that of Holiday, which was three picks.
I believe we have enough young talent with Trae, Huerter, Hunter, Collins, OO to offer picks or one of our young players.
We could end up with something like:

Trae
Murray (3 picks)
Hunter
Barnes + pick (Collins)
Gobert (Capela and Huerter + pick)
---------------------
Ivey (Bogdanovic and pick)
xxx
Knox
OO
xxx

[HMFFL]

Spurs and Hawks are discussing a blockbuster trade that would send John Collins to San Antoino for Dejounte Murray?

I saw these multiple reports on Facebook.


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Murray would be perfecto for us.
- can play PG or SG (even SF).
- can play with another scorer.
- can play with another creator.
- is still young.

I agree, but I don't think a trade gets done. We will probably need to give up assets that we won't want too.
I doubt even trade talks are happening now with San Antoino.

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[saloonyk8]

So if the Hawks do get Ayton in FA for JC...

Capela for Reggie Jackson and Morris from Clippers?

[HMFFL]

So if the Hawks do get Ayton in FA for JC...

Capela for Reggie Jackson and Morris from Clippers?

I don't believe Cap comes close to having that kind of value. I would gladly take Jackson and Morris for him. Perfect fits.

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[Jamaaliver]

Capela < Jackson and Morris?!?!?

[D21]

So if the Hawks do get Ayton in FA for JC...

Capela for Reggie Jackson and Morris from Clippers?

PHX don't want Collins, they want Capela, or Turner, and would send Ayton to ATL or IND in a heartbeat.
So ATL should think the same, keeping Capela, or trading for Turner to get a C that can shoot 3s
You're clearly undervaluing Capela and overvaluing Ayton

And we need the 2nd scoring coming from the wing, so they have to let Hunter be that.

[Geaux_Hawks]

If we could somehow swing Collins+picks for Murray, and then Cap+ for Ayton, we'd have a pretty strong, young core to work with. Would be expensive salary wise, but I think that's 3/5 of a starting lineup you pay the tax for. You can get some ring chasers with that kind of talent.

[saloonyk8]

If we could somehow swing Collins+picks for Murray, and then Cap+ for Ayton, we'd have a pretty strong, young core to work with. Would be expensive salary wise, but I think that's 3/5 of a starting lineup you pay the tax for. You can get some ring chasers with that kind of talent.

I wish they had never leaked the Murray rumor. It has completely deluded my thinking.

BTW I would much much rather have Murray over Simmons.

[D21]

If we could somehow swing Collins+picks for Murray, and then Cap+ for Ayton, we'd have a pretty strong, young core to work with. Would be expensive salary wise, but I think that's 3/5 of a starting lineup you pay the tax for. You can get some ring chasers with that kind of talent.

I wish they had never leaked the Murray rumor. It has completely deluded my thinking.

BTW I would much much rather have Murray over Simmons.

Agree as being able to shoot 3s, it would be easy to put him next to Trae on offense. On defense, Simmons can provide a better impact, and can be used on other positions.
But keep in mind that it's an overall thing. Not a player compared to the other, but what can ATL do with trades.
If trading for Murray cost more assets than for Simmons, you might not be able to do another trade after that, and it's the final roster that is important.

If we could somehow swing Collins+picks for Murray, and then Cap+ for Ayton, we'd have a pretty strong, young core to work with. Would be expensive salary wise, but I think that's 3/5 of a starting lineup you pay the tax for. You can get some ring chasers with that kind of talent.

I really can't understand this hype for Ayton, he's good, but him at more than 30M is stupid. I will repeat it, but if PHX prefer Capela at 20M or Turner at 18M, there's a reason, and I'm sure it's not to spend less only.

If we trade for Ayton, we loose more assets than if we trade for Turner.
And more important, for the same money than Ayton, we can have Turner and sign Tucker (unless Ressler is OK to go above the Tax to pay Tucker, which I doubt he would before being sure that the roster can contend).

I take 100 times out of 100 a roster with 18M Turner+ 10M Tucker over 33M Ayton only

If we have Okongwu/Turner/Tucker, the lineup possibilities are insane, with only Okongwu not shooting 3s, great shot blockers with Okongwu and Turner (I repeat that Turner is the #1 in the league at making block without doing foul...) AND it looks more like the rotation that GSW and BOS had in these last NBA Finals than if we play with Ayton/Okongwu without Tucker

I may be wrong in the end, but I see no need for Ayton here, especially if we trade Capela for him, who cost less and had a better impact than him and might for some years again.

[Years90Suns]

So if the Hawks do get Ayton in FA for JC...

Capela for Reggie Jackson and Morris from Clippers?

PHX don't want Collins, they want Capela, or Turner, and would send Ayton to ATL or IND in a heartbeat.
So ATL should think the same, keeping Capela, or trading for Turner to get a C that can shoot 3s
You're clearly undervaluing Capela and overvaluing Ayton

And we need the 2nd scoring coming from the wing, so they have to let Hunter be that.

Turner is not so appealing as he has one year left and then he has either leave or resign.

[D21]

So if the Hawks do get Ayton in FA for JC...

Capela for Reggie Jackson and Morris from Clippers?

PHX don't want Collins, they want Capela, or Turner, and would send Ayton to ATL or IND in a heartbeat.
So ATL should think the same, keeping Capela, or trading for Turner to get a C that can shoot 3s
You're clearly undervaluing Capela and overvaluing Ayton

And we need the 2nd scoring coming from the wing, so they have to let Hunter be that.

Turner is not so appealing as he has one year left and then he has either leave or resign.

We can give a starter spot, at the same time we give more playing time to Okongwu even if still coming from the bench (which was a goal for next season said by ATL management). You can agree with him on a extension when free agency starts

I don't know if IND would prefer something build on Collins, or Capeal (it will be too late in July for them to have interest in Gallo's contract as it will be the same expiring than Turner, unless we gives several picks), but there are possibilities to use Capela, Collins and Huerter and picks to get Turner, and a player like Simmons, and I'm sure that if we add Tucker to that, ATL would be a nightmare to play against on both end of the floor.

[jayu70]

PHX don't want Collins, they want Capela, or Turner, and would send Ayton to ATL or IND in a heartbeat.
So ATL should think the same, keeping Capela, or trading for Turner to get a C that can shoot 3s
You're clearly undervaluing Capela and overvaluing Ayton

And we need the 2nd scoring coming from the wing, so they have to let Hunter be that.

Turner is not so appealing as he has one year left and then he has either leave or resign.

We can give a starter spot, at the same time we give more playing time to Okongwu even if still coming from the bench (which was a goal for next season said by ATL management). You can agree with him on a extension when free agency starts

Turner has stated he doesn't want an extension to his existing contract. He wants to hit FA where he can actually make more on a new contract under the $122 salary cap. If he signs a contract extension to his existing, he is limited in how much that can be.

[D21]

Turner is not so appealing as he has one year left and then he has either leave or resign.

We can give a starter spot, at the same time we give more playing time to Okongwu even if still coming from the bench (which was a goal for next season said by ATL management). You can agree with him on a extension when free agency starts

Turner has stated he doesn't want an extension to his existing contract. He wants to hit FA where he can actually make more on a new contract under the $122 salary cap. If he signs a contract extension to his existing, he is limited in how much that can be.

He had said that, but it might be in the context of staying with IND, not sure if he's in a contender roster he would not change his mind. It doesn't cost anything to try to convince him

Several other teams, including PHX, are interested, why ATL should think differently and fear anything more than the other?

[jayu70]

We can give a starter spot, at the same time we give more playing time to Okongwu even if still coming from the bench (which was a goal for next season said by ATL management). You can agree with him on a extension when free agency starts

Turner has stated he doesn't want an extension to his existing contract. He wants to hit FA where he can actually make more on a new contract under the $122 salary cap. If he signs a contract extension to his existing, he is limited in how much that can be.

He had said that, but it might be in the context of staying with IND, not sure if he's in a contender roster he would not change his mind. It doesn't cost anything to try to convince him

Several other teams, including PHX, are interested, why ATL should think differently and fear anything more than the other?

It costs whatever you give up to get up, plus whatever his salary ask is.
And again, you are missing the ramifications of extending his existing contract under his old salary cap ($101 mil) vs a totally new contract with this increased new salary cap ($122 mil).
He is limited to 120% of his currently salary on an extension, which is about $21 million. If he hits FAcy he can more likely command a higher starting salary.

[saloonyk8]

If Turner wants $30M next year that's still an issue. Even at $20+ it's not cheap.

We're not getting PJ Tucker. He's being offered 3/30 from Sixers and even that is a huge overpay. We'd have to clear space and give him full MLE and even then he probably wouldn't choose us over a real contender

[saloonyk8]

Getting Ayton for Capela and protected FRP is not an overpay

[saloonyk8]

I also think Ben Simmons won't be available. The Nets have away all those picks to Houston they can't just tear it down if l even if KD AND Kyrie leave.

Not to mention he might get fouled in the fourth quarter and pass out from stress