Knicks Draft Post Mortem

[KnixinSix]

I mean yeah.

My question is why are people so mad?

Are you mad simply because they didnt get anyone?

Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?

Are you mad because you loved Kemba?

Was their a guy on the board you wanted?

Are you mad because 'only' Brunson was not enough of a needle mover to punt on this draft even though the prospects arguably thinned out after the top 7-8?

I just see all this outrage and for what?

To me it is an incomplete as the moves have to be looked at in full context with the entire offseason plan.

If we do end up with Brunson that makes this a B/B- to me.

If we end up trading for a bonafide star Dejounte Murray (at only 16-17M over next 2 years) AND Brunson this is easily an A for me.

Knicks plan with a vet coach like Thibs could be to compete this year. Their plan last year failed miserably because the back court guys they got couldnt play a like of D and were not great fits regardless. Yes thats on Rose but we didnt sign them to super long term deals.

If the plan is with all these stockpiled picks and some shedding of salary is for Dejounte AND Brunson the line up looks drastically better for next year. You can argue Brunson isnt a superstar but unlike Forunier/Kemba he is a glue player who has a very well balanced game. Hed be the best PG weve had since I dont know when.

Now Dejounte would be a perfect complement for a Thibs team as he can play both point or shooting guard and defends excellent too.

Randle could look like a much different player with a true point guard setting up the offense. Yes he sucked last year but he is a 20 pt/game player that could easily bounceback and look more like 2020 Randle (and he is on a very reasonable contract).

Brunson
Murray
RJ
Randle
Mitch

All entering 4 years of NBA experience or more but still all in their beginning of their prime years. All have the ability to play D at an average or better level. 3 ball a bit weak but the bench can make up for that.

Three off seasons of treading water in mediocrity and punting picks down the road while they cap out with the likes of Randle, Fournier and soon RJ, not to mention the collection of 30 something sucktastic vets they have, who if the DO move them, will require the use of "assets" they are stockpiling - which is EXACTLY what happened to move Zombie Kemba off the team, and you are "good with this" ?

Really?

We'll just have to wait for 2025 for "the plan to all come together"?

Yeah, no.
This FO sucks donkey d*ck.
There might be a couple of good guys doing technician work since the clearly aren't part of the "vision", but whoever is driving the path and doing the major advising, and I figure that's Thibs/Perry/WWW talking to Rose, then yeah, those guy's suck.

Imagine how much more they'll suck when Aller packs his bags in disgust, which has got to be happening any moment now.

Not OK if it amounts to nothing in FA but the offseason is not just about the draft only. It has to be in context with next years vision. Maybe they want to compete this year. If so and they pull of Brunson AND a star then in its full context it is a much better offseason than we thought. Point is, we can't get out the pitchforks just yet without seeing the entire plan here and if they can successfully execute on it.

[KnixinSix]

Edit for OP:

You need to add an incomplete or wait and see to the grade above.

[Lord Commander]

F minus...This front office is cheeks!!

[Br00kLyn]

How can a FO keep their jobs when they trade away assets to acquire future assets which they use to unload bad contracts? Leon and Co. have done nothing but put this team deeper into the abyss and back into a laughing stock organization. What is the point of watching next season?

[Chanel Bomber]

Probably somewhere…another dog and pony show where they brag about all the future picks they have

Read on Twitter

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Their draft strategy was clearly tied to their free agency strategy so it would make sense not to speak on it publicly before the start of free agency.

My bad, I misread it and thought there was a press conference and was surprised.

That makes more sense that they won’t say anything

You misunderstood the tweet and I misunderstood you. The draft really messed us up

[WargamesX]

Edit for OP:

You need to add an incomplete or wait and see to the grade above.

You don’t see the FU option

[Jimmit79]

Read on Twitter

Trashiest fanbase.

James Dolan turned the best fanbase in world to this.

[DOT]

Point is, we can't get out the pitchforks just yet without seeing the entire plan here and if they can successfully execute on it.

There is no long term plan

The FO operates on pure Id. Only sees one step ahead at a time, no thinking two, three, five moves into the future

The "plan" is: clear cap space to sign Brunson. Anything further out than that, they haven't considered

What do we do once we sign Brunson? They don't know

What do we do if we can't sign Brunson? They don't know

Good FOs account for things not going perfectly. Our FO is either too arrogant or too lazy to consider multiple scenarios, and plan contingencies for if plan A doesn't work out.

[Jimmit79]

Knicks are not getting brunson Leon only wants to clear cap space so his god son gets to rob Cuban 5 year max and his other clients gets paid too in fear of losing to Knicks who have cap space now. Knicks have no plan Knicks are not going to be relevant.

[dukeknicksirish]

So we have 4 first round picks in 2023 (until season ends and protections cover some).

There HAS to be a plan, right ?

[thebuzzardman]

To be determined. A few things need to happen. They have to land Brunson (I’m not sold on Brunson).

They have to move Randle. He’s the turd that pollutes the well.

They have to clear up logjams on the roster. Trade 2 of Burks, Rose, Nerlens, Evan or Cam. Hopefully getting an asset.

They have to use the war chest in a productive manner. Too many picks to roster next year.

Thibs, Perry and WWW have sold Rose on the idea that a PG will unlock Randle.

Perry advocates because Randle is his signature move and he wants to polish the turd that is his legacy, plus he probably would like one more job after the coming firings. I figure he's got a spot reserved in Detroit since he did such yeoman's work for them in this draft. Or maybe the Hornets. Hooked them right up.

WWW loves to polish that Kentucky knob so you know he's pushing Randle.
WWW also pushed hard for the Knicks to move his giant mistake of Walker off, replaced with Brunson, since he figures most people are idiots and will forget.

Thibs just wants vets, so of course he's cool a) trading away picks and b) getting a decent PG in, because he too likes paychecks

Rose is receptive to all of it because frankly, he's kind of a big lummox who isn't that bright, and it's a CAA client and his godson etc etc.

What a collection of morons.

[thebuzzardman]

So we have 4 first round picks in 2023 (until season ends and protections cover some).

There HAS to be a plan, right ?

One pick is 2025
The other three (?) look most likely to convey in 2025

Push them all across the table for Towns in 2024

That's what I think the plan is.
I am in no way advocated this plan.
It's what these idiots are up to.

Towns will be 28. Knicks will get two peak years and 2 of his decline.
Perfect.

Start checking out those middle school prospects you borderline pedophiles!

[Fat Kat]

If Brunson doesn’t sign, I want his dad fired immediately.

[Br00kLyn]

It doesnt matter how angry we are, these **** in the front office will still get paid. Why? because the garden will still be packed all season no matter how bad we are. Dumbass fans going nuts at the game like we won game 7 of the finals without realizing its the last month of the season, were 15 games under .500, and we just beat a team thats resting all of its starters. As long as we keep giving these **** money, they will still keep pushing this clown show forward

[DOT]

If Brunson doesn’t sign, I want his dad fired immediately.

I'm lowkey rooting for this to happen because of just how hilarious it would be

Of course, until we give Tyus Jones a 4 year 100 mil deal in desperation

Then it'd shoot all the way past comedy, into tragedy, and back out the other end into comedy again.

[thebuzzardman]

I mean yeah.

My question is why are people so mad?

Are you mad simply because they didnt get anyone?

Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?

Are you mad because you loved Kemba?

Was their a guy on the board you wanted?

Are you mad because 'only' Brunson was not enough of a needle mover to punt on this draft even though the prospects arguably thinned out after the top 7-8?

I just see all this outrage and for what?

To me it is an incomplete as the moves have to be looked at in full context with the entire offseason plan.

If we do end up with Brunson that makes this a B/B- to me.

If we end up trading for a bonafide star Dejounte Murray (at only 16-17M over next 2 years) AND Brunson this is easily an A for me.

Knicks plan with a vet coach like Thibs could be to compete this year. Their plan last year failed miserably because the back court guys they got couldnt play a like of D and were not great fits regardless. Yes thats on Rose but we didnt sign them to super long term deals.

If the plan is with all these stockpiled picks and some shedding of salary is for Dejounte AND Brunson the line up looks drastically better for next year. You can argue Brunson isnt a superstar but unlike Forunier/Kemba he is a glue player who has a very well balanced game. Hed be the best PG weve had since I dont know when.

Now Dejounte would be a perfect complement for a Thibs team as he can play both point or shooting guard and defends excellent too.

Randle could look like a much different player with a true point guard setting up the offense. Yes he sucked last year but he is a 20 pt/game player that could easily bounceback and look more like 2020 Randle (and he is on a very reasonable contract).

Brunson
Murray
RJ
Randle
Mitch

All entering 4 years of NBA experience or more but still all in their beginning of their prime years. All have the ability to play D at an average or better level. 3 ball a bit weak but the bench can make up for that.

Three off seasons of treading water in mediocrity and punting picks down the road while they cap out with the likes of Randle, Fournier and soon RJ, not to mention the collection of 30 something sucktastic vets they have, who if the DO move them, will require the use of "assets" they are stockpiling - which is EXACTLY what happened to move Zombie Kemba off the team, and you are "good with this" ?

Really?

We'll just have to wait for 2025 for "the plan to all come together"?

Yeah, no.
This FO sucks donkey d*ck.
There might be a couple of good guys doing technician work since the clearly aren't part of the "vision", but whoever is driving the path and doing the major advising, and I figure that's Thibs/Perry/WWW talking to Rose, then yeah, those guy's suck.

Imagine how much more they'll suck when Aller packs his bags in disgust, which has got to be happening any moment now.

Not OK if it amounts to nothing in FA but the offseason is not just about the draft only. It has to be in context with next years vision. Maybe they want to compete this year. If so and they pull of Brunson AND a star then in its full context it is a much better offseason than we thought. Point is, we can't get out the pitchforks just yet without seeing the entire plan here and if they can successfully execute on it.

Brunson + this current team - Burks/Noel (who gets cleared) = 35-38 wins. Just in the sweet spot of worst possible lottery pick, 1st pick out of the lotto.
Enjoy.

[Kampuchea]

Some takes are a bit too much. The Knicks don't scout well or are lazy to scout? As evidenced by our recent good draft picks?Particularly those out of the lottery such as
No. 25 overall (IQ)
No. 25 overall (Quentin Grimes)
No. 34 overall (Rokas Jokubaitis)
No. 36 overall (Miles McBride)
No. 58 overall (Jericho Sims)

There is a guarantee that one player outside of the lottery will be worth a lottery pick? Sort of like every year a later pick like Jokic? Not really going out on a ledge since it happens every season.

While I am happy we didn't draft another player into this roster to fight for a few minutes don't mistake that as celebrating the front office, there is no doubt the roster composition is poor. Good draft trade, poor roster construction before and after the trades.

[Clyde_Style]

Randle is still on this team

That grinds my gears more than any of the hub bub over last night

As long as Randle is on this squad it means this management team is afraid to make moves and put their mistakes in the past

[Fat Kat]

It doesnt matter how angry we are, these **** in the front office will still get paid. Why? because the garden will still be packed all season no matter how bad we are. Dumbass fans going nuts at the game like we won game 7 of the finals without realizing its the last month of the season, were 15 games under .500, and we just beat a team thats resting all of its starters. As long as we keep giving these **** money, they will still keep pushing this clown show forward

Will you the the one to lead your brethren away from Knicks fandom. Walking hand in hand into the abyss, one last midnight - brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal?

[BrownBearKing]

I gave D+. If the Knicks traded the 11th pick and 4 second rounders for the 13th(Duren) pick and 2 other first rounders, that woulda been amazing. But that stupid Kemba trade made no sense. You gotta get a rookie in the first round, give the fans something to get excited about.