The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[SWedd523]

If he and Dwight both put a sticker on the backboard I think Dwight's sticker would be a bit higher.

I think it would be somewhere between 4 and 8 inches higher. Dwight can jump nearly forty inches. Bizzy might not even reach 34 inches.

Howard measured a 35.5" max vertical, FWIW

[captaincrunk]

If he and Dwight both put a sticker on the backboard I think Dwight's sticker would be a bit higher.

I think it would be somewhere between 4 and 8 inches higher. Dwight can jump nearly forty inches. Bizzy might not even reach 34 inches.

Howard measured a 35.5" max vertical, FWIW

The highest I've seen for him was 38 or 39 inches. At the draft combine it was 35.5 (impressive for a man of size) but he's improved! Biyombo, I don't think he would reach 34. I think he'd be lucky to. But maybe it's the grainy ass tape haha.

[SWedd523]

I tried looking for Biyombo's but, of course, couldn't find it. I don't think he's on Dwight's level of athleticism but not very many people are. If Dwight can make that much of an improvement, I would like to hope that Biyombo can too. 35" is more than fine for a guy who has his arms up that high to begin with IMO

[captaincrunk]

I tried looking for Biyombo's but, of course, couldn't find it. I don't think he's on Dwight's level of athleticism but not very many people are. If Dwight can make that much of an improvement, I would like to hope that Biyombo can too. 35" is more than fine for a guy who has his arms up that high to begin with IMO

Tyrus can jump even higher

[amcoolio]

My god, this is the first time I've been watching his videos. This guy has "it". PLEASE stay healthy. This draft could be a grand slam.

[Stun704]

Most definitely he has "it"like dwight, he has the size of a PF, but his insane arm length will let him develop into a very mobile defensive monster at center, all he needs to do is develop an offensive game, and i'm 99% certain that he will. he IS ONLY 18.

Honestly anyone who doubts biyombo needs to watch this video.. this is against the next years collegiate stars, in a draft thats suppose to be so 'deep' look @ that mobility starting @ 5:40. this man will be an absolute MONSTAR

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxKzucNsTo[/youtube]

[Stun704]

Biz doesn't seem very athletic - does he? He doesn't really explode to the rim.

Are you being sarcastic or..... If your being serious watch his Nike World Summit Highlights

I've seen the world summit highlights and I am being serious. He is extremely long (obviously!) but isn't really super explosive.

Just in case you haven't seen the highlights :

Check out the baseline spin at 1:29. If that was Howard, he would have just exploded to the rim and stuffed it.

The layup down the middle at 3:58? A lot of bigs would have thrown down.

99% of the blocks he got were because he is just super long and showed great timing - unlike someone like Gerald Wallace whose athletic ability allowed him to block shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxKzucN ... re=related

Don't get me wrong - I'm not suggesting that Biz is a sloth, but he's not a mind blowing athlete either. I do hope our coaches work hard on his core strength though to add elite explosion (D.Howard style).

your comparing a 24 year old dwight to a 18 year old bismack. when Dwight was 18 this is what was happening to him
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hplzeqLMlVU[/youtube]
I would say biz at 18 is more athletic then dwight at 18.

[captaincrunk]

I would say biz at 18 is more athletic then dwight at 18.

This is just patently false. Unless you're operating on some strange definiton of athletic, in no way is Bismack more athletic than an 18 year old Dwight. The 18 year old Dwight could run faster, jump higher, lift more weight, all while being slightly bigger.

[Stun704]

I would say biz at 18 is more athletic then dwight at 18.

This is just patently false. Unless you're operating on some strange definiton of athletic, in no way is Bismack more athletic than an 18 year old Dwight. The 18 year old Dwight could run faster, jump higher, lift more weight, all while being slightly bigger.

Wheres the proof of this?? are you just pulling crap outta your ass? Where is Bismacks physical stats such as 185lbs bench press, sprints and vert test at? or are you just assuming Dwights are higher? since Bismacks aren't listed I'm using the eye test to judge who is more athletic at 18. and in my opinion Bismack is more athletic.
heres the facts:
At 24 Dwight may be SLIGHTLY taller 6'10.25 but hes done growing. compared to a 18 year old bismack who is 6.95 can still grow an inch or two. in the pre-draft thread in the draft section it was said that he grew .75 of an inch from april to june. Now lets compare what really counts wingspan, and standing reach.

Dwights wingspan:7' 4.5"
Bismacks wingspan: 7' 6.16"

Dwights standing reach:9' 3.5"
Bismacks standing reach: 9' 3.42"

@ Slam& Crunk.. Dwights combine stats weren't impressive at all. thats why i'm saying at 18 Bismack is easily the more impressive athelete

Dwight @ 18:
Bench Press: 7 ---- [Compared to Emekas: 22]
Max Vert: 35.5

Like I said, dwights stats at 18 aren't that impressive, though Bismacks combine athletic stats aren't measured, looking from the nike hoop summit & other footage he seems to be much stronger then dwight was at 18.

It seems like you've become battery's polar opposite. instead of bashing DJ, you bash in Biz and Kemba.
At-least Battery is rational with his bashing.

[Kabookalu]

According to scouting reports they say he has thick and strong thighs. That will allow him to body up and defend centers exceptionally well. Anyone who has ever played big man before knows that when playing against a physical interior scorer inside, it's going to be your thighs that will see the most damage. Look at Chuck Hayes; he may be 6'6, but he has some of the thickest thighs I've seen from a center, and he's shutdown a lot of centers of a lot of molds no matter how taller they were. Biyombo, with his thick thighs and long ass wingspan, can absolutely play center. The only thing he's literally missing is height, but the other two things more than make up for it.

[Stun704]

According to scouting reports they say he has thick and strong thighs. That will allow him to body up and defend centers exceptionally well. Anyone who has ever played big man before knows that when playing against a physical interior scorer inside, it's going to be your thighs that will see the most damage. Look at Chuck Hayes; he may be 6'6, but he has some of the thickest thighs I've seen from a center, and he's shutdown a lot of centers of a lot of molds no matter how taller they were. Biyombo, with his thick thighs and long ass wingspan, can absolutely play center. The only thing he's literally missing is height, but the other two things more than make up for it.

I agree, dennis rodman is another example even though hes not a C he was more then capable of guarding C's.

[Kabookalu]

I've seen the world summit highlights and I am being serious. He is extremely long (obviously!) but isn't really super explosive.

Just in case you haven't seen the highlights :

Check out the baseline spin at 1:29. If that was Howard, he would have just exploded to the rim and stuffed it.

The layup down the middle at 3:58? A lot of bigs would have thrown down.

99% of the blocks he got were because he is just super long and showed great timing - unlike someone like Gerald Wallace whose athletic ability allowed him to block shots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxKzucN ... re=related

Don't get me wrong - I'm not suggesting that Biz is a sloth, but he's not a mind blowing athlete either. I do hope our coaches work hard on his core strength though to add elite explosion (D.Howard style).

Perhaps in comparison to Dwight Howard, who is the biggest freak center athlete we've had since Shaq. I don't think there's really a clear definition for explosion, but to me it's being able to change directions and then move forward in the opposite direction like you never skipped a beat. That sudden burst of speed and power, it almost looks like they're "exploding" to the basket. Derrick Rose, Amar'e Stoudemire for example. From what I've seen of Biyombo through several of his games and predraft workout videos, he has plenty of explosion on his base. I think a better example of this is his block at the 5:38 mark. He makes a great block, the ball is thrown at the perimeter, and then look at how fast he gets to the man. It was almost guard like. And that's after making a block; that act alone would take up a lot of your energy, and to quickly accelerate so fast, it requires a great athlete of Biyombo's caliber to perform that.

[Elden Payton]

According to scouting reports they say he has thick and strong thighs. That will allow him to body up and defend centers exceptionally well. Anyone who has ever played big man before knows that when playing against a physical interior scorer inside, it's going to be your thighs that will see the most damage. Look at Chuck Hayes; he may be 6'6, but he has some of the thickest thighs I've seen from a center, and he's shutdown a lot of centers of a lot of molds no matter how taller they were. Biyombo, with his thick thighs and long ass wingspan, can absolutely play center. The only thing he's literally missing is height, but the other two things more than make up for it.

cheers for the insight choker, I agree 100%.

The funniest thing about it is that in shoes Biyombo's height is 6'9.81 which means technically he should be listed at 6'10 which is not undersized for a center these days & also when you take into consideration that at 18 he has 3 more years left to grow

KG was measured at 6'11 but is more like 7'1
T-Mac was measured at 6'8 but grew to 6'10
KD was listed 6'9 but would be closer to 6'11 now
Magic Randolph was 6'10 but is like 7'1 now

If Biyombo gets close to 7 feet......

[Elden Payton]

Awesome vid Stun, thanks for posting it. His Agility is amazing!!(drools) he owned that game & his offensive instincts are actually quite good & he posts up with his one move....turnaround dunk!!!

SMH at the haters.

[Elden Payton]

I don't know who is more athletic out of Bitchsmack or Dwight but I do believe that Bismack is more than athletic enough, the thing that stands out the most to me is his coordination for a 6'9 lanky teenager.

[amcoolio]

If Biyombo were 3 inches taller he'd be the #1 pick in the draft

and if Kemba were 3 inches taller he'd be #2

[BobsBuddy]

The more I see of this guy the more I like him. I agree with Crunchys observation on another thread...Put TT at 4 and BB at 5 and NOBODY will be able to score on us down low.

Put these guys on the floor with Cunningham,Carroll and Kemba and our second unit look s pretty good

[fatlever]

:D The more I see of this guy the more I like him. I agree with Crunchys observation on another thread...Put TT at 4 and BB at 5 and NOBODY will be able to score on us down low.

i love the idea of having two great shotblockers protecting the rim but lets not get too ahead of ourselves. being able to block shots is not the only thing that makes a great interior and post defender. for big men, being able to read the game, cut off lanes, rotate quickly on switches, get out on pick and rolls and most importantly not picking up stupid fouls while contesting shots is more important to overall defense success than being about to block shots or being quick.

despite all his amazing tool, tyrus still isnt a good defender. he gets out of position, he gambles on blocks when he shouldnt and he is horrible about picking out fouls. i dont want biyombo to play like tyrus.

i know chandler is a bad word in these parts, but what he did defensively for the mavs in the playoffs is what i want to see out of biyombo, except with more shot blocking. chandler anchored that defense. you can also look at guys like garnett and perkins in 2008-2010 with the celtics as an example of how defend the paint. imagine if garnett and perkins had the shot blocking skills that tyrus and biyombo have? now THAT would be deadly.

okafor was a great shotblocker but that never really translated to okafor being a great defender. he was a pretty good defender, but never great. he didnt do all the other things needed outside of blocking shots to be great.

i've kinda given up on tyrus ever being a great defender. he just doesnt seem to read the game well enough to be great. biyombo is young. he has the tools to be a force. lets hope he has the bballiq to really make him something special.

[NataFresh]

Slam, I dont know what you saw, but to say Biyambo isn't all that athletic is crazy talk, especially when you look at his workout with the Bobcats...

[SWedd523]

I see what Slam is talking about, but I also see that one highlight where he was left open (in the NHS) and got so high he damn near threw the ball through the rim Dwight style