Is Roy Hibbert a Max contract player?

[Trader_Joe]

Indy is matching, easily, no chnce he goes anywhere.

His "max" is only 4/55 he still has upside and is already easily worth that to Indy.

Indy can offer him a 5th year, no?

[Trader_Joe]

Never pay fringe all stars like you would pay a superstar. It always comes back to bit you. Just look at the Hawks.

So they should let their AS Center walk?
And replace him with who for how much?

[jnzook]

Hibbert goes no where. We will resign him for his max. And we will smile gladly that we have a "fringe" all star big man, while most other teams have crap-ass big men.

[Dr Positivity]

In terms of caliber of play no, but if I'm IND I rather have max Hibbert than no Hibbert at this point. Without Hibbert IND is nothing, just like Memphis would be without Gasol

[clevceltics]

Never pay fringe all stars like you would pay a superstar. It always comes back to bit you. Just look at the Hawks.

So they should let their AS Center walk?
And replace him with who for how much?

At what point did I say they should let him walk? I said you dont pay fringe all stars max money. He is a fringe all star in my book. He is a guy that may or may not make the all star game every year. I wouldnt pay him anywhere close to the max. There are very few players that are worth the max in my book.

[clevceltics]

Hibbert goes no where. We will resign him for his max. And we will smile gladly that we have a "fringe" all star big man, while most other teams have crap-ass big men.

There why not max out the other fringe all star on your squad in Granger?

[giberish]

Never pay fringe all stars like you would pay a superstar. It always comes back to bit you. Just look at the Hawks.

So they should let their AS Center walk?
And replace him with who for how much?

Paying Hibbert 6yrs/$120M ($20M/yr) would be stupid. Indy also can't pay him that much.

Paying Hibbert 4yrs/$55M ($14M/yr) is appropriate. This matches the most any other team can offer.

A lot of players are worth 'MAX' contracts after their rookie deals, but not once they've been in the league 8-9 years on a 3rd contract. The 3rd contract MAX salary rates are much higher and as a double-whammy, players are likely to be declining during the 3rd contract.

[Trader_Joe]

Never pay fringe all stars like you would pay a superstar. It always comes back to bit you. Just look at the Hawks.

So they should let their AS Center walk?
And replace him with who for how much?

At what point did I say they should let him walk? I said you dont pay fringe all stars max money. He is a fringe all star in my book. He is a guy that may or may not make the all star game every year. I wouldnt pay him anywhere close to the max. There are very few players that are worth the max in my book.

You said, don't pay fringe all-stars max money
You say he is a fringe all-star
He will probably get offered max money.
Thus it sounds like you wouldn't match a max contract if he is offered one, and thus let him walk.

And I disagree with you about the max contract statement. There are plenty of players worth a max contract, however they are also players worth much more than a max contract, but that's all they can get paid.

[Trader_Joe]

Hibbert goes no where. We will resign him for his max. And we will smile gladly that we have a "fringe" all star big man, while most other teams have crap-ass big men.

There why not max out the other fringe all star on your squad in Granger?

Because they don't have to, to keep him.

[winter_mute_13]

Hibbert goes no where. We will resign him for his max. And we will smile gladly that we have a "fringe" all star big man, while most other teams have crap-ass big men.

There why not max out the other fringe all star on your squad in Granger?

Granger is the better player, but frankly he's more replaceable than Hibbert.

You pay market rate for big men, and the market says that a quality center is worth near max or max. That's all there is to it.

[Darth Celtic]

he should be 10m a year player. But again, some idiot gm's gunna offer him 15m a year like it was 4 years ago. You'll see the good from bad GM's sort themselves out about year 4 of this new cba.

[daschysta]

he should be 10m a year player. But again, some idiot gm's gunna offer him 15m a year like it was 4 years ago. You'll see the good from bad GM's sort themselves out about year 4 of this new cba.

once again, he can't get that much. 4/55 is the absolute most. He's very loyal to Indy, may end up our 5th year, greater total salary, slightly less per year will do it. He is worth just as much as Marc Gasol.

[RondoToKG]

No, he's not. But I wouldn't rule anything out with bigmen in this league.

Dude your AV is a mind ****...

I swear it was really far away like looking at a map at first, then it begins zooming in... but then it never zoom in all the way.... but it never zooms out either....

WHAT IS GOING ON

[Trader_Joe]

he should be 10m a year player. But again, some idiot gm's gunna offer him 15m a year like it was 4 years ago. You'll see the good from bad GM's sort themselves out about year 4 of this new cba.

$10m Center are.. Biedrins, D.Jordan, Haywood and others over the years. Hibbert is not a $10m center.

[clevceltics]

At what point did I say they should let him walk? I said you dont pay fringe all stars max money. He is a fringe all star in my book. He is a guy that may or may not make the all star game every year. I wouldnt pay him anywhere close to the max. There are very few players that are worth the max in my book.[/quote]
You said, don't pay fringe all-stars max money
You say he is a fringe all-star
He will probably get offered max money.
Thus it sounds like you wouldn't match a max contract if he is offered one, and thus let him walk.

And I disagree with you about the max contract statement. There are plenty of players worth a max contract, however they are also players worth much more than a max contract, but that's all they can get paid.[/quote]

Ok this makes no sense to me. If the best players are worth more than the max then since the max is all they can earn there the valuation should be at that point and not some made up figure. If Howard is worth 20 mil and is clearly a better player. You dont pay Hibbert 20 mil cus Howard is really worth more than 20.

[jnzook]

Hibbert goes no where. We will resign him for his max. And we will smile gladly that we have a "fringe" all star big man, while most other teams have crap-ass big men.

There why not max out the other fringe all star on your squad in Granger?

Granger is the better player, but frankly he's more replaceable than Hibbert.

You pay market rate for big men, and the market says that a quality center is worth near max or max. That's all there is to it.

this. sf's are the deepest position in the league. and tons are drafted every year. he's more replaceable than a young, solid, 7'2" center. I grntee you every team in the league lacking a true center would jump all over Hibbert at 14 mil a yr(his MAX contract). Luckily he is restricted so we dont have to worry. That and he loves it here and has no interest in leaving.

[Sedale Threatt]

Not legitimately, but he'll get one because he's a good center. Can't teach size.

[droponov]

Hibbert is too flawed to be worth anywhere near a max contract.

Indiana should look at what Denver did with Nene.

[Trader_Joe]

Hibbert is too flawed to be worth anywhere near a max contract.

Indiana should look at what Denver did with Nene.

Nene is much older and has a history of injuries that resurfaced early in the season.
I don't see the comparison really or what you mean.
Indy should sign him to a big deal, only to move him for younger, cheaper, lesser piece?

[daschysta]

Hibbert is too flawed to be worth anywhere near a max contract.

Indiana should look at what Denver did with Nene.

Denver only did that due to age, McGee is going to be expensive too.

Hibbert is young, this isn't a vet, his max only averages out to slightly less than 14 million/year.