P. Jones IV

Wone · Post #101 » by **Wone** » Thu Jun 7, 2012 10:40 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:If he cannot dominate in college, he will get crushed in the pros.

He is weak and has an undeveloped offensive game.

Anyone picking him near 7th will regret it.

lol

that jj redick and adam morrison sure did take the league by storm!

EvanZ · Post #102 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 6:34 am

Wone wrote:
Hoops Addict wrote:If he cannot dominate in college, he will get crushed in the pros.

He is weak and has an undeveloped offensive game.

Anyone picking him near 7th will regret it.

lol

that jj redick and adam morrison sure did take the league by storm!

That logic doesn't really work.

For example, let's say it's true that "All short people won't be successful in basketball." The opposite of that is not "All tall people will be successful in basketball."

In other words, it could indeed be true that a requirement for being good in the NBA is having dominated in college. That is not the same thing as saying all players who dominated in college will be good in the NBA.

He's saying it's a necessary condition, but that doesn't mean it's sufficient.

Wone · Post #103 » by **Wone** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 12:31 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Wone wrote:
Hoops Addict wrote:If he cannot dominate in college, he will get crushed in the pros.

He is weak and has an undeveloped offensive game.

Anyone picking him near 7th will regret it.

lol

that jj redick and adam morrison sure did take the league by storm!

That logic doesn't really work.

For example, let's say it's true that "All short people won't be successful in basketball." The opposite of that is not "All tall people will be successful in basketball."

In other words, it could indeed be true that a requirement for being good in the NBA is having dominated in college. That is not the same thing as saying all players who dominated in college will be good in the NBA.

He's saying it's a necessary condition, but that doesn't mean it's sufficient.

i'm not sure what you're talking about.

college stats mean absolutely NOTHING in the nba.

perry jones put up 13.5 ppg / 7.6 rpg / 1.3 apg / 50% fg% this year. unimpressive no? let's look at what others have put up...

vince carter-13 ppg / 4.5 rpg / 2.4 apg / 52% fg%

andre iguodala-12.9 ppg / 8.4 rpg / 4.9 apg / 45% fg%

none of these players dominated college basketball yet they turned out great in the nba. that's the point i'm trying to make. it doesn't matter if you dominate college ball or not, it doesn't mean a thing in the nba.

jason thompson put up 20.4 ppg / 12.1 rpg / 2.7 apg / 56% fg% in his last season in college, he's an utter scrub in the nba. exactly.

numbers don't mean a thing.

Post #104 » by **Curtis Lemansky** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:39 pm

Steely Reserve wrote:I've been done arguing this. All PJ3 threads will be bumped a year from now.

Don't say I didn't tell you so...

Make sure you bump them up together with your posts from last year where you vehemently argued for Perry Jones and Brandon Knight over Irving.

Also make sure that you bump up threads where you claim Cavs roster without Bron was better (in 2009 summer) than Bulls roster (pre-Boozer). That's right, Mo Williams, Hickson, Varejao and scrubs better than Rose, Deng, Noah etc. ....

We have a genius on board.

This guy is a joke.

7-Day Dray · Post #105 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 5:04 pm

Curtis Lemansky wrote:
Steely Reserve wrote:I've been done arguing this. All PJ3 threads will be bumped a year from now.

Don't say I didn't tell you so...

Make sure you bump them up together with your posts from last year where you vehemently argued for Perry Jones and Brandon Knight over Irving.

Also make sure that you bump up threads where you claim Cavs roster without Bron was better (in 2009 summer) than Bulls roster (pre-Boozer). That's right, Mo Williams, Hickson, Varejao and scrubs better than Rose, Deng, Noah etc. ....

We have a genius on board.

This guy is a joke.

LOL OWNED.

freshie2 · Post #106 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 5:40 pm

Curtis Lemansky wrote:
Steely Reserve wrote:I've been done arguing this. All PJ3 threads will be bumped a year from now.

Don't say I didn't tell you so...

Make sure you bump them up together with your posts from last year where you vehemently argued for Perry Jones and Brandon Knight over Irving.

Also make sure that you bump up threads where you claim Cavs roster without Bron was better (in 2009 summer) than Bulls roster (pre-Boozer). That's right, Mo Williams, Hickson, Varejao and scrubs better than Rose, Deng, Noah etc. ....

We have a genius on board.

This guy is a joke.

No dog in this race, but let's see where Knight and Irving are in 5 years...Irving was great, but Knight was impressive as well, and played in a horrible environment. He may end up being just as good...the benefit of predicting the success of 19-20 year olds is you have a large time frame in which to disappear when you are wrong...

BTW, I'm in the Jones camp...would love to see him in Philly...think he will flourish in the right environment/high character team, and the Sixers have that in place.

Post #107 » by **Curtis Lemansky** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 8:12 pm

Philly has too many non-shooters so the spacing is very tight. Plus doesnt Jones duplicate somewhat what Thad Young brings?

I think the best team for Jones to go to is Celtics if they keep their core (especially KG-PP-Rondo) together. I cant think of a better situation for Jones to learn the ropes from KG and PP.

freshie2 · Post #108 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 11:51 pm

Different skill sets from what I see. Thad is an undersized PF, Jones is an oversized SF (if that makes any sense). I actually think Jones would help open the floor a bit if matched up correctly, but that is relying on his jumper...

Ayt · Post #109 » by **Ayt** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 9:07 am

Tim Thomas if he develops a jumper. Otherwise, massive bust.

vincecarter4pres · Post #110 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 9:56 am

Ayt wrote:Tim Thomas if he develops a jumper. Otherwise, massive bust.

I don't like him at all, but Tim Thomas, "if he develops a jumper"?

His athleticism is just out and out too good to make that comparison.

Post #111 » by **Curtis Lemansky** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 11:10 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Ayt wrote:Tim Thomas if he develops a jumper. Otherwise, massive bust.

I don't like him at all, but Tim Thomas, "if he develops a jumper"?

His athleticism is just out and out too good to make that comparison.

Uhmm, a young Tim Thomas was a terrific athlete.

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ManualRam · Post #112 » by **ManualRam** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:59 pm

young tim thomas was more skilled than pjIII as well. TT had legit SF skill, whereas PJIII and his backers just think he does.

btw, first time i ever heard LOTUG on a mix. dope.

Charsace · Post #113 » by **Charsace** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 4:01 pm

freshie2 wrote:Different skill sets from what I see. Thad is an undersized PF, Jones is an oversized SF (if that makes any sense). I actually think Jones would help open the floor a bit if matched up correctly, but that is relying on his jumper...

Thad is a better 3 and 4 than PJ. PJ doesn't know how to play basketball and looks less motivated than Darius Miles on and off the court. He would be worth a lotto pick, but I don't think he is because he doesn't seem to care about basketball.

TheToothFairy · Post #114 » by **TheToothFairy** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 4:05 pm

Reminds me of Darius Miles and Tyrus Thomas

Wone · Post #115 » by **Wone** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 4:16 pm

tyrus thomas is the worst comparison i've read of p jones and just shows you should not speak of him.

MalonesElbows · Post #116 » by **MalonesElbows** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:56 am

TheToothFairy wrote:Reminds me of Darius Miles and Tyrus Thomas

Thomas was at least a shot blocker and disruptor. I'm not really sure what Jones III does in the NBA outside of an occasional lob.

Teen Girl Squad · Post #117 » by **Teen Girl Squad** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:45 am

PJIII shouldn't be a lottery pick at all. Sucks at the game of basketball, is lazy, and doesn't really even like basketball. All he's doing now is using coached up talking points to try and get at least one huge payday in the NBA. The only reason I'd even consider him in the first is if I was a team like San Antonio who has a good coaching staff, no immediate need, and can afford to take a flyer on a player who will likely bust hard.

Wone · Post #118 » by **Wone** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:36 pm

perry jones will prove you all wrong. i'll be sure to bump this thread when he becomes a star.

crazybranman360 · Post #119 » by **crazybranman360** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:11 pm

Wone wrote:perry jones will prove you all wrong. i'll be sure to bump this thread when he becomes a star.

Perry Jones doesn't have the mentality to be a "star". A really really good player? yes but not a star

Geaux_Hawks · Post #120 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:54 pm

Well I'm in the Jones camp. If he played somewhere else besides Baylor, like Louisville or Illinois where he could play for a competent coach and still be the star of the team, then we probably would be arguing over whether or not he is the #1 pick or not.

Dude is legit. Baylor just hindered him.