Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2

[verbal8]

It will be interesting to see which Restricted Free Agents get matched.

I think Batum and Gordon will quite clearly get matched. I think Indy has to match Hibbert even if it is overpaying a little.

Asik and Fields are interesting cases because they average players being offered deals that ballon in the 3rd year. I think Chicago probably matches on Asik given how hard it is to find young bigs. On his own I think the Knicks would keep Fields. However it may be tough to fit over 18 million in salary into 2014-5, given they already have $65 committed to the big 3.

I think the Knicks have to keep Lin. Fields potentially could be untradeable in year 3. But unless Lin does not regain his form from his injury, he should be at least tradeable as an expiring. Also the stretch provision could soften the blow if he does have to be waived.

I wonder what Dallas does. I think they let Kidd go to New York, but matching Terry might be cheaper than getting a replacement on the UFA market. I also wonder if they make an offer to Robin Lopez.

[LyricalRico]

I wonder what Dallas does. I think they let Kidd go to New York, but matching Terry might be cheaper than getting a replacement on the UFA market. I also wonder if they make an offer to Robin Lopez.

Since Terry and Kidd are both UFA, there's really nothing Dallas can do. It seems that NY might be willing to make it a sign-and-trade, but they certainly don't have to. But they should have a nice size TPE from the Odom trade. Maybe the use that along with picks to acquire some players than can help them.

Dallas is a prime example of a team that had won recently, has a HOF cornerstone, and max cap room - but still struck out in free agency. There are no guarantees.

[fishercob]

Roy has no knees, why is he getting $10 million?

Platelet-rich Plasma Therapy.

I'm not a doctor so I cannot even begin to have an opinion on whether PRP or any other therapy, regimen, or medication will help Roy. I will say that I was astonished with Kobe's energy this season and he had PRP last year. I was astonished with KG's production this season, a couple years removed from knee surgery with a ton of tread on his tires. Who knows what he did.

Hines Ward received a variation of it just weeks before Super Bowl XLIII, and Tiger Woods, Fred Couples, Alex Rodriguez, Tracy McGrady, Chris Canty and Cliff Lee are among other athletes who have tried it.

Point being, I wouldn't count out medical science. Nor would I count out Roy's will. I hope he succeeds.

[fishercob]

I wonder what Dallas does. I think they let Kidd go to New York, but matching Terry might be cheaper than getting a replacement on the UFA market. I also wonder if they make an offer to Robin Lopez.

Since Terry and Kidd are both UFA, there's really nothing Dallas can do. It seems that NY might be willing to make it a sign-and-trade, but they certainly don't have to. But they should have a nice size TPE from the Odom trade. Maybe the use that along with picks to acquire some players than can help them.

Dallas is a prime example of a team that had won recently, has a HOF cornerstone, and max cap room - but still struck out in free agency. There are no guarantees.

Not only that, but wasn't it just a few days ago we were reading about how guys want to play in Dallas because of the winning culture and great organization Cuban has built? Dallas is one of the "haves" and they still struck out. I agree with Cuban that he's better off with a cleanish slate than he is with clogging his cap with a bunch of dreck. He'll recover (or he'll just sell the team and buy the Cubs).

But no one saw this coming for Dallas -- certainly no one predicted it. They have an aging hall of famer who doesn't want to go through a rebuild, little else other than expesnive role players, and tons of cap space. They don't have the asset base to entice a trade of another star. They are in for a tough road.

[closg00]

 

The Denver Nuggets plan on sending three to four big men to work out with 2-time NBA Champion, 12-time All-Star, two-time DPOY Hakeem Olajuwon this summer, and one of those is JaVale McGee. Hakeem Olajuwon said Nuggets expect to send 3 or 4 big men to work out with him in August in Houston

http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/ar ... n/11126366

What a complete shocker, Denver not wasting any time doing what the Wizards should have done for their bigs. JaVale asked for this kind of support and Ernie told him he'd have to pay for it himself.

Only the Nets have a worse GM, but at- least the owner will spend money.

Thanks for the link MF23

They were on strike. right ? I don't think he could have done anything.

So the only time the Wizards could have gotten Hakeem's services was during the strike??? Larry Bird got Roy Hibbert Bill Walton. Denver is sending all of their bigs to work with Hakeem. See the difference there Hands?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I kid a lot about liking the way Pam McGee way looks from way back in the 80s, but I'm not kidding about her being 100% on point when it comes to basketball tutelage her son did not receive in DC. The Wizards when Flip Saunders came began to use the phrase knuckleheads to describe their young players. What I did not see the Wizards do was send out for help with their young big men.

Javale might not improve even with Hakeem training him, but at least the Nuggets organization has taken the task themselves of including all their young big men to receive the best tutoring they can receive. They didn't say if a player wants to go out on their own and get coaching they're welcomed to do so.

Pam McGee said some things that ruffled more than a few feathers but I have noticed three things the Nuggets have done with McGee that the Wizards never tried.
1. They paired him with an unskilled, young, active, physical big man! Faried and McGee played and played well together. On this board I heard a lot about Seraphin and McGee being a bad idea. The Wizards never even tried it. Javale didn't even get to play a lot with Booker. He played with Andray Blatche a whole bunch. Flip had guys like Yi Jianlian or Rashard Lewis who shot jumpers while playing soft. Denver featured a running attack and all their two biggest players did was run, rebound, defend, and dunk.
2. The Nuggets allowed McGee to be a weak side shot blocker. Karl didn't do like Flip Saunders. He was flexible. He quickly recognized McGee got killed in pick and roll. He benched Javale and when he played him, he played more of the ball.
3. Most of all, the Nuggets have been player friendly. Unlike Wittman, they didn't antagonize Javale for what he lacks. McGee is going to work with Olajuwon. His new team took the Lakers to 7 games and they are happy with him. They have three young 7 footers, but Javale is the one with talent and athleticism to be a game changer. They know that. They don't care about his IQ, basketball or otherwise.

I am happy for Javale and Pam McGee.

[nate33]

I wonder what Dallas does. I think they let Kidd go to New York, but matching Terry might be cheaper than getting a replacement on the UFA market. I also wonder if they make an offer to Robin Lopez.

Since Terry and Kidd are both UFA, there's really nothing Dallas can do. It seems that NY might be willing to make it a sign-and-trade, but they certainly don't have to. But they should have a nice size TPE from the Odom trade. Maybe the use that along with picks to acquire some players than can help them.

Dallas is a prime example of a team that had won recently, has a HOF cornerstone, and max cap room - but still struck out in free agency. There are no guarantees.

Yup. Dallas is in a strange situation. They've lost a bunch of players, but most of those players were overpriced, so valuewise, it hasn't hurt them that much. Their remaining players are all pretty good and reasonably priced (with the exception of Haywood who can be amnestied). Here is their roster right now:

Nowitzki - $21M
Marion - $8.3M
Haywood - $8.3M
V.Carter - $3.1M
Beaubois - $2.2M
Dominique Jones - $1.3M
Brandon Wright - $1.0M
Jared Cunningham - $1.0M
Bernard James - $0.5M
Jae Crowder - $0.5M

They might want to consider trading Nowitzki for some good young players/picks and rebuilding right now. It's tough to find a team in win-now mode who has enough assets to pull off such a deal though.

[nate33]

I'm not buying this notion that Washington was unwilling to tutor its young talent. That's just absurd. Management isn't going to spend tens of millions of dollars on player salary, and then be too cheap to spend $100K to hire a coach. Just because they didn't pay for a big name like Hakeem Olajuwon to be the big man coach, doesn't mean they aren't coaching the bigs. What, is Hakeem Olajuwon the only guy on the planet who can teach a low post move?

The incident when the Wizards told McGee to hire his own coach was during the lockout. The Wizards were not permitted to contact their players at that time. Neither could anybody else. There's a reason why the level of play for the entire league suffered last year.

[Hoopalotta]

George Hill really got 5 years @ $40 million from the Pacers? That's just.....

Ooh, ooh.. breaking as I type!

WojYahooNBA Nick Young has reached agreement with Philly, his agent says.

Edit to add:

WojYahooNBA Young wll agree to a 1-year, 6M deal with Sixers, agent Mark Bartelstein tells Y!

daldridgetnt Looks like a one-year deal for around $6M in Philly for Young, who became expendable in LA when Clips got Jamal Crawford.

daldridgetnt Don't think for one second that Doug Collins wasn't behind this move. He knew how desperate Sixers were for perimeter shooting/scoring.

Hmmm, Collins desperate for Nick Young? Well, we'll make sure to check back in with him in February.

For Nick, the money per year looks like what he'd want, but just one year? It's a downright Kwamesque deal.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ramon Sessions to Dallas seems likely to me.

nate, I don't know if this makes a lot of sense, but Cuban could trade with the Lakers to get Dirk and Steve Nash together again. He could trade Dirk+Marion for Gasol+Artest, just to do Dirk a favor. Maybe a third team Minnesota would take Gasol for some of the young players they have been offering.

I couldn't see Cuban trading Dirk to Minnesota. That would be cold, literally and figuratively.

[nate33]

daldridgetnt Don't think for one second that Doug Collins wasn't behind this move. He knew how desperate Sixers were for perimeter shooting/scoring.

Hmmm, Collins desperate for Nick Young? Well, we'll make sure to check back in with him in February.

For Nick, the money per year looks like what he'd want, but just one year? It's a downright Kwamesque deal.

Doug Collins is a master at designing offenses to fit the skills of his players. I look forward to seeing what he does with Nick Young. That is, if he doesn't kill Young first.

[closg00]

Sixers Amnesty Brand's $18 million.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think Nick making $6M for one season is just as good to him as Ray Allen making $12M for two.

Young has time on his hands and he knows he is going to get a lot of shots playing along side Jrue Holiday. Evan Turner can't score. Iguodala can't shoot. Young will average over 20ppg. All those shots Lou Williams got are his. That is a great thing to have in a contract year.

Doug Collins is a good coach. He's going to be pleased with Nick IMO.

i think Nick did fine if he's signed as reported

Just now read Philly amnestied Elton Brand. Moe Harkless, Arnett Moultrie, and Nick Young are going to make Philly a lot more athletic.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Dallas had the worst summer ever. It might be time for them to just destroy and rebuild. They broke up a championship core just to strike out in free agency. Cuban might be on suicide watch if Shark Tank gets canceled

[closg00]

So the Sixers are doing what many here advocated we do. Rather than trading or attempting to trade Brand for "something", fit or bad fit, they paid-out and move forward with a young nucleus and cap-space. The Sixers are making some good moves (although they muffed the Lavoy Allen re-signing costing them $)

*Re-signed Spencer Hawes at a bargain, two-years $13 million
*Signed Nick Young for only 1-year at $6 million
*Drafted-well & for need: Harkless @ SF, Moultrie @ PF

A young team with increased speed now that Brand is gone.

PG: Jrue Holiday/?
SG: Young/Turner/Xavier Silas
SF: Iggy/Harkless
PF: Allen/Moultrie
C: Hawes/Vucevic

[sfam]

Dallas had the worst summer ever. It might be time for them to just destroy and rebuild. They broke up a championship core just to strike out in free agency. Cuban might be on suicide watch if Shark Tank gets canceled

I don't see a path for Dallas to get back this year. Either they start the rebuild or they take steps to plan another run next year. I bet Dirk has enough goodwill built up that he can influence this. But even if Dallas wants to get him to LA or something, I agree it would take a mid-level playoff team that would want to take back a Gasol and so forth to make the deal work. That's going to be hard to find, especially as the musical chairs FA game starts winding down.

[jmrosenth]

I wouldn't have given him a long-term contract but pretty amazed Nick and his agent panicked and took a one year deal this early in free agency. The league hasn't gotten that smart.

[truwizfan4evr]

Doug Collins is going to hate nick young defense.

[gesa2]

So the Sixers are doing what many here advocated we do. Rather than trading or attempting to trade Brand for "something", fit or bad fit, they paid-out and move forward with a young nucleus and cap-space. The Sixers are making some good moves (although they muffed the Lavoy Allen re-signing costing them $)

*Re-signed Spencer Hawes at a bargain, two-years $13 million
*Signed Nick Young for only 1-year at $6 million
*Drafted-well & for need: Harkless @ SF, Moultrie @ PF

A young team with increased speed now that Brand is gone.

PG: Jrue Holiday/?
SG: Young/Turner/Xavier Silas
SF: Iggy/Harkless
PF: Allen/Moultrie
C: Hawes/Vucevic

Although I like the Spencer re-signing, I can't see the Sixers being better next year with these moves. They built their team on hard nosed defense and smart play last year. Nick Young was pretty good at containing his own man for us, but I doubt his ability to play smart team offense or defense. Moultrie and Harkless were good choices for their draft positions, but they won't be ready to contribute meaningfully on a playoff team next year. I'm more in the "Collins' head is going to explode by February" than "look how much better they are than us" camp.

[Hoopalotta]

So the Sixers are doing what many here advocated we do. Rather than trading or attempting to trade Brand for "something", fit or bad fit, they paid-out and move forward with a young nucleus and cap-space. The Sixers are making some good moves (although they muffed the Lavoy Allen re-signing costing them $)

*Re-signed Spencer Hawes at a bargain, two-years $13 million
*Signed Nick Young for only 1-year at $6 million
*Drafted-well & for need: Harkless @ SF, Moultrie @ PF

A young team with increased speed now that Brand is gone.

PG: Jrue Holiday/?
SG: Young/Turner/Xavier Silas
SF: Iggy/Harkless
PF: Allen/Moultrie
C: Hawes/Vucevic

For us, the smart move was always to amnesty Blatche for long term savings rather than open up space immediately with Rashard.

As to the Sixers, they definitely need to do more before they get the golf clap out of me; they've regressed as of now, though they have cap space. I imagine that they're going to try and sign a power forward. If they get Ilyasova or Anderson, it'll be interesting in a quirky sort of way to see that pairing with Hawesome.