Gortat Wants a Larger Role in the Offence

[Kerrsed]

Or how about something centred around:

Gortat to ATL
Horford to a team that needs a PF (PHI? DET?)
Young assets to PHX (Turner? Monroe or Drummond? etc.)

Good luck with that one! No way ATL parts with Horford, let alone for Gortat, just like Detroit is not going to part with Monroe (and in my opinion Drummond as well). Atlanta might (just might) be willing to get rid of Smith, but still, thats unlikely.

One thing that i saw a 6ers fan write that i thought was interesting is:

At this point, I would trade Bynum for Gortat, but Suns probably wouldn't do it. Maybe the Sixers could figure out a package that would interest Phoenix (something around Evan Turner?)

I would take that in a heartbeat. The problem is i dont think Philly's FO would, and even if they would its hard to make the money match Bynum's $17M (let alone adding in Turners $5.3M). To make that deal would take Gortat/Frye/Marshall/Johnson's expiring or Dudley. I would do it, but like i said, i doubt Philly would.

Imagine:

Dragic/Telfair
Brown/Tucker
Turner/Beasley
Scola/Morris
Bynum/O'Neal/Zeller

[nevetsov]

A healthy Bynum, Dragic and Turner combo would give us an awesome young 1-2-3 punch. We'd need a defensive, three point shooting wing though (D Wright?). Brown would be best suited as our 6th man, a role he seems to be slotting into quite well.

As for the ATL Horford trade, that was just the framework - obviously ATL would need more value from somewhere (Dudley? picks? assets from 3rd team etc.) but I thought I'd leave that to the creative end to balance it out. Personally, I think Dudley/ Smith/ Gortat is far superior to anything they can put on the floor right now and would be pretty decent in the East.

[hollasin35]

Flip Gortat to OKC for Perkins/Lamb/PJ3 and a pick.

Package Marshall and Dudley together for Tyreke Evans.

Dragic/Telfair
Brown/Lamb/Tucker
Evans/PJ3
Scola/Beasley/Morris
Perkins/O'Neal/Zeller

Gortat is decent but not good enough to get Lamb/Jones III/pick/Perkins. Gortat/Martin for Perkins/Lamb or Jones III & a pick maybe but not all 4. He doesn't change a game like a Howard or Bynum can & does when they're on. You can't say he's not producing & not that good then expect the boatload for him.

Gortat/Martin? Who the F do we have named Martin?

Yeah, he doesnt change a game like Howard or Bynum, but Perkins/Lamb/PJ3 wouldnt even be close to landing a Howard/Bynum, so i have no idea wtf you are trying to say with that statement.

As OKC is structured, Lamb/PJ3 are 3rd stringer who get no minutes and never will. Gortat would be a starter from day one, and would be playing more minutes than they currently are giving Perkins. Perkins has negative value around the league. He plays defense and little else. He is severely overpaid for what he does and we are doing a favor to OKC by taking him in exchange for Gortat.

So in conclusion, 2 young players with potential that cant get off the bench and a starter with negative value for Gortat is very very feesable from OKC's point of view.

Get your panties out a bunch i said Martin & meant Marshall calm down. Lamb was part of the trade to be the SG of the future for OKC, Jones III was brought in to be part of the glue guy with starters & back ups because he does everything & isn't a player that needs the basketball in his hands every play.

Trading Perkins & 1 of the 2 plus a pick for Gortat & Marshall is a trade they would look into but given up a starter 2 players for your future & a pick for a 1 starter as you proposed is crazy. No matter how much OKC is trying to win now they still are planning to make sire they have talent on the roster behind the core to make sure top talent doesn't leave & their empty handed

[nevetsov]

One thing that i saw a 6ers fan write that i thought was interesting is:

At this point, I would trade Bynum for Gortat, but Suns probably wouldn't do it. Maybe the Sixers could figure out a package that would interest Phoenix (something around Evan Turner?)

I would take that in a heartbeat. The problem is i dont think Philly's FO would, and even if they would its hard to make the money match Bynum's $17M (let alone adding in Turners $5.3M). To make that deal would take Gortat/Frye/Marshall/Johnson's expiring or Dudley. I would do it, but like i said, i doubt Philly would.

I think they meant the trade would include either Bynum or Turner, not both

Gortat and Frye works straight up for Bynum I think? Either way, throw in Marshall's 1.9 and you're set, we don't need him and they lack a real backup PG anyway.

It would leave them with 7 bigs on their roster next season (G, Frye, Hawes, Brown, Allen, Moultrie, Thad) but perhaps they could flip Hawes for further assets (Boston?) that we could get back. He's an undervalued C that should be able to nab one of their shooting guards (which we could nab for WJ's expiring, as you said)...

[schnakenpopanz]

when we compare it to who our first option on offense is (Beasley), Gortat has every right to be upset.

[khufure]

Bulls fan here. Our backup center (Mohammed) is just sucking so that's our interest. We run pick & roll and ball movement offense. Thibs likes giving 25-30m regularly to defensive players that can fit in a pick & roll / movement offensive scheme. Gortat would not start over Noah, but I think he could play next to him. Noah & Boozer are both good pick & roll passers. Rose & Hamilton also are excellent passers. Taj Gibson isn't, though.. not sure Gortat could fit in there.

All told maybe it would interest Gortat, maybe not. That's not the issue though.. Unfortunately I just don't think we have anything you guys would want. Most of the posters on our forum include Boozer in any deal possible. Of course, Boozer wouldn't help you in any way since you have a similar player in Scola and likely a similar love/hate view. I just doubt anything will happen unless it's a 3 way.

(Note : we do have the Bobcats pick and Miriotic as assets so we're not bone dry).

[Chi town]

1. Bulls would probably start and play Gortat and Noah together. Noah would slide over and play PF. Bulls would amnesty Boozer.

2. Bulls could absorb Gortat with their TPE and offer the CHA pick for their own 1st rounder this year.

3. Any deal with PHX would probably have to be a 3 or 4 way where teams like DET or UTAH with an excess of big men send the player that replaces Gortat at C like Kanter for example.

Gortat has value around the league but IMO the Suns would want picks and young players. You want to tank and get a high pick like someone else said earlier. The only way out of mediocrity in the NBA is a young star. Maybe you get Cody Zeller in this draft to replace Gortat.

[bigfoot]

I like Kerrsed's OKC trade best.

Gortat for PJ3, Lamb, Perkins, and 2015 1st round pick

The Thunder are in need of a very good center and Gortat fits the bill. PJ3 and Lamb will never see any significant playing time. We are taking a long contract off the books for the Thunder.

For the Suns it smacks of Larry Nance for KJ, Corbin, West, and Marjele. Also getting rid of a potential team headache.

Then the Suns have to commit to developing the young players they've bankrolled.

Dragic/Telfair/Marshall
Brown/Lamb/Johnson
Beasley/PJ3/Dudley
Morris/Scola/Zeller
Perkins/ONeal

Then look to move Dudley, Johnson, and/or Telfair for young athletic PF and C. Scola can be moved next summer.

Get it done Babs.

[schnakenpopanz]

This maniac-depressive mood swings from most of our fans can be quite annoying.

Yup.... I mean nope ... wait... I mean Yup


I would not trade until the date when all/most players can be moved. There are so many FAs on rosters that a frozen for a while.... When is that date ?

And as mentioned above and agreed upon here.... I would wait wait and wait on dealing TheG.... and be damn hesitant about it. If you must, think about a draft day deal packaging him and a lotto.... what would that get ? a top 1, 2, or 3 ???

BTW, his comments were all pretty true. And his attitude when saying them was positive. this wasn't a jab fest of disrespect like Maid Marion threw out there. TheG was candid and matter of fact.... he did state he'd would just have to work harder to show the coach. If anything, the way most here have complained about Black-Hole Brothers, Brown and Beasley, more should be on his side. It has to be frustrating to play with them. Isn't there an unwritten rule about having just One CHUCKER per team ?

I just looked....
Beasley shoots 15 times a game ... 36.2%
Brown 12 ... 41.4%
Scola 13 ... 47.2%
Dragic 12 ... 47.4%
Morris 9 ... 35.4%
TheGORTAT 9 ... 51%
Dudley 8 ... 42.7%

Gentry should WakeTF up and sit the Beas 3-4 games till his finger heals. Give theG some opportunities. Its not like he'd be taking the ball out of the hands of some dead-eye marksmen.

27 shots for beasley and brown. and look at the production. this is real anti value.

[EB2]

I like Kerrsed's OKC trade best.

Gortat for PJ3, Lamb, Perkins, and 2015 1st round pick

The Thunder are in need of a very good center and Gortat fits the bill. PJ3 and Lamb will never see any significant playing time. We are taking a long contract off the books for the Thunder.

For the Suns it smacks of Larry Nance for KJ, Corbin, West, and Marjele. Also getting rid of a potential team headache.

Then the Suns have to commit to developing the young players they've bankrolled.

Dragic/Telfair/Marshall
Brown/Lamb/Johnson
Beasley/PJ3/Dudley
Morris/Scola/Zeller
Perkins/ONeal

Then look to move Dudley, Johnson, and/or Telfair for young athletic PF and C. Scola can be moved next summer.

Get it done Babs.

I would die of happiness if this were to happen.

[thamadkant]

Wizards - Suns

Gortat + Dudley + 2013 Lakers or Wolves or Suns 1st pick

For

Okafor + 2013 Wizards 1st pick

Why wizards will consider?
John Wall is a priority to keep, he needs a competitive team ASAP or he might demand a trade.

Nene slides to PF.

Wall
Crawford
Dudley/Ariza
Nene/Vesely
Gortat

Fight for playoff contention.
Instead of getting a high pick again which has 2-3 big men to select from.
They take on Gortat who is proven contributor and Dudley.
They also still get a pick to pickup a contributor on the wings.




Suns solidify a top 5 pick, no.1 potential.
Gets Okafor who has 1.5 years left on contract...

[carey]

Does Gortat need to shut up and wake up? Yes. The team can work through this though. And they will.

When will you all understand that it is not Gortat's fault and he did nothing wrong ?!
He said what he said in quite politely way I think (for sure far from arrogant).
This team should be built around : Dragic, Gortat and Scola. Rest of the team are non capable of doing anything really good and doesn't deserve so such tolerance from Gentry.
If you want to get rid of Gortat because of what he said and his bad performance lately - (remember his great stats in first 6-7 games) you are crazy and short minded. Wake up.

Maybe it's lost in translation, but in the U.S. when you say the things he said without being able to back it up, that's about as arrogant as it gets. He wants more post up opportunities but he's not a post up threat. He relies on one move, a fade away jumper that almost always fails. He wants more midrange opportunities but his jumper is flat. It almost always hits the front or side of the rim before going in, if it does. Good thing he has a soft jumper. Do you know why it's soft? Because everything about him is. Maybe all this talk will motivate him. Maybe he'll get angry and start playing that way. I hope so. I'd much rather a bad ass Gortat on my team than not.

One thing is clear though, he really needs to stop playing off-season Basketball for Poland. It's 11 games into the season and he already looks worn out. I hate to think what he's going to look like in March.

Also spare me your stats from a sample-size 1/4th all the other big men you compare him to. Please. Jimmer was also first in PER with 8 minutes a game played and I don't see any of you jumping on the trade for Jimmer bandwagon.

[Tricky_Kid]

when we compare it to who our first option on offense is (Beasley), Gortat has every right to be upset.

When You rebuild the team and no.1 option is player like Beasley with awful % of shooting , bad defender and unstable form player there is an explanation ---> You want suck or You are too dumb to be a GM.

For The Gortat. I read this article and I am thinking what the hell is going on this board ???

He wasn't attacking Alvin but said the truth about his situation in 2012/2013 suns team.
But... all haters now has the reason for bashing him and inventing different trade scenarios.
I read all your posts and it looks like the childrens in kindergarten want to boast who was better, smarter than the others.
"I said we should trade him" " I said it too, earlier!" no ! no ! "I said it 2 years ago! I was first !!! "

shame, shame, shame on You guys. I didn't noticed on other boards so much anger for one player who has few weaker games in which He wasn't the worst guy on the floor!!! like here on Suns board...

One more thing: 1 good game of Beasley most of You are pissing with joy... the rest You are complaining on Gortat, Dudley... no bad words on Beas He is a true star and than is starting "Where are all Beas haters?"

Be honest with all Your judgements on our players and judge with the same measure.

[MarcoPolo]

1. Do you really think ANY trade will happen? Are the Suns team that makes trades often?

2. I just hope Gortat will produce better and will prove wrong many of you. The thing i am sure he will at least TRY to do it in a game vs Portland.

3. From the trades you posted the most reasonable is the OKC one. It gives both teams what they want.

4. I know Boston has anything to offer but in a case of "smile mode" i will post this pic.
Don't take it to seriously

[JJ13]

Should be an interesting interview...

https://twitter.com/DanteMagic/status/2 ... 0613014528

[Frank Lee]

One thing is clear though, he really needs to stop playing off-season Basketball for Poland. It's 11 games into the season and he already looks worn out. I hate to think what he's going to look like in March.

I thought the same thing.... these guys really push their bodies to limit playing yr round.


I like that Wash trade 1UPZ... but if the Wizzers were battling for a playoff spot.... the pick would not be top 5 would it?

Now theG for Portland's rookie Leonard and Mathews ? Simple, clean, easy deal. I could live with it.... but dont think Portland would. Mathews rolls 38 mins a game at SG... and they dont really have someone to fill those. And is the G that much of an improvement over a Hickson/Leonard duo ? Not if you believe half of what is being said about him here.


I dont think Phnx does anything with theGORTAT, certainly not stemming from this interview. He does not seem like the prima donna type to demand a deal and get all pissy. Losing will take its toll on this team's attitude though.

It would be prudent to wait for more medical news on Frye before parting with the first true center of merit we've had in ..... how long again? Gawd... did you guys forget about Earl Barron and Jason Collins already ?

[BurningHeart]

Bynum?!

BYNUM?!

Yeah, that's something I want. A thug primadonna PUNK CHILD who can't even **** stay healthy to actually play.

Get outta here.

[ShawnBronald]

Yeah, that's something I want. A thug primadonna PUNK CHILD who can't even **** stay healthy to actually play.

Get outta here.

Tell us how you really feel, though.

[carey]

I decided that I'm not moving Gortat unless Beasley is attached. So if the Bulls want him the conversation starts at Beasley & Gortat for...

Look, I'd even take Boozer off your hands at that ridiculous $15M for 3 more years if you give us Mirotic, Butler, and 1st round pick (preferably the future Bobcats pick you own). We could play inside/outside with Boozer and Mirotic next year even though he seems slightly redundant if Frye comes back. I really don't know Mirotic's game, but people I trust say he's very talented. We could trade Scola in the off-season for more assets if we wanted.

So we tank the rest of this season and next year we have a bunch of 1st rounders to add to Dragic, Marshall, Dudley, Brown, Morris, Frye, Scola, Boozer, Mirotic and a slew of youngsters. Basically it's a total clean slate. At least Boozer is hard working and has somewhat of a brain in his head on the floor. Something Beasley isn't and doesn't.

Even with Boozer, Brown, and Scola we'd only have about 45.6M committed next Season. Enough to bring over Mirotic, sign some 1st rounders and offer a max deal to someone if we wanted, or we could wait one more offseason.

EDIT:: After typing all that I checked out Boozers stats. He's no longer the double double machine he used to be. Basically he's putting up Scola type numbers which we already have for $4M a season. I'm not sure if I could stomach watching a 13 & 8 guy for $15M. I really really want to move Beasley and having a hardworking guy like Boozer would be much better. He seems to have lost a lot of his efficiency though.

[Cutter]

I like Kerrsed's OKC trade best.

Gortat for PJ3, Lamb, Perkins, and 2015 1st round pick

The Thunder are in need of a very good center and Gortat fits the bill. PJ3 and Lamb will never see any significant playing time. We are taking a long contract off the books for the Thunder.

For the Suns it smacks of Larry Nance for KJ, Corbin, West, and Marjele. Also getting rid of a potential team headache.

Then the Suns have to commit to developing the young players they've bankrolled.

Dragic/Telfair/Marshall
Brown/Lamb/Johnson
Beasley/PJ3/Dudley
Morris/Scola/Zeller
Perkins/ONeal

Then look to move Dudley, Johnson, and/or Telfair for young athletic PF and C. Scola can be moved next summer.

Get it done Babs.

Not bad. I advocated trading Duds for Lamb during the Harden trade. Dudley has a cap friendly contract and is a experience playoff vet who would be great coming off the bench. OKC is looking to fine tune their 6, 7 and 8th player on the bench. Suns are looking for their 1, 2 and 3 top core players to build around.