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Jeez, why can't the Bucks ever go into full out tank mode.

I still see the Jazz as a solid trade partner. I'd like to see something revolving around Jennings and Burks/GS pick (currently #22). We'd have to give another asset. Maybe Jennings/Udoh for Burks/#22/filler. Then we can root for GS to fall off a cliff.

JayMKE wrote:Letting Jennings walk would not be the end of the world if nobody wants to cough up a young player or draft pick

prolonging our mediocrity is of no interest to me in regards to a trade

If nobody is interested in trading for him, then he probably want be getting the max this offseason from anybody either.

I agree with this, but there is no way Hammonds and Kohl are going to let the "star" they've been promoting the last few years go for nothing. They can't spin that. If they trade him for an overrated vet they can at least try spinning it as a good trade, the casual fan may even buy it. No way they let him walk, it's either a trade or match anything he is offered (and likely over paying in the process).

EzeDoesIt wrote:Afflalo is good, why are people hating on him? He's the prototype of the SG who, if we replaced Ellis with him right now, would catapult our team to new levels. He's the type of SG we've all been wanting. Good defender and team player that gives you an efficient 15 points.

(Admittedly he's had an off year, but that's likely due to his increased role.)

Although yeah, I guess it'd be better if we could get him in an Ellis deal rather than a Jennings one.

Because:

1. In this scenario, we're pairing him with Ellis.
2. He'll be 28 before next season and is nothing special. He just continues the wheel of mediocrity.

N8Frog wrote:

JayMKE wrote:Well this goes against the rumor that he was only looking for 4/40 or whatever before the season. Not sure how reliable Woelfel is.

And if it is his former agent, you do have to factor if its an agent being bitter he's fired and throwing craziness out there, or if its legit.

Ya, I'm not going to freak out over rumored contract figures which may just be smoke being blown up our asses for any number of reasons. Remember they are negotiating.

As I said, he can want the max all he wants but somebody has to give it to him. I'd only be really worried if Brandon just straight up wants out of Milwaukee.

The trade deadline keeps becoming more and more interesting. It'll be interesting to see what kind of value BJ3 has if he's shopped. I doubt there looking to deal him, but I'd love to see Grieves Vazquez come back and be our point. A 6'6" point guard who is actually a decent shooter would be a lot better fit w/ Monta than Jennings.

If the Kings really wanted to get rid of DeMarcus (after his latest antics), I hope the Bucks would be all over a DeMarcus for Jennings + Tobias

N8Frog wrote:

EzeDoesIt wrote:

N8Frog wrote:This works, I don't know if its enough for Jennings/Ellis.

Milwaukee Gets: Wes Matthews, Kyle Lowry, Aaron Gray, Toronto 2013 1st Rd Pick
Toronto Gets: JJ Hickson, Brandon Jennings, Joel Pryzbilla, Drew Gooden
Portland Gets: Monta Ellis, Jonas V (center from Toronto), Milwaukee 2013 2nd Rd Pick

Obviously if Portland doesn't like Ellis, no chance of this.

This would be so ****in awesome

Somebody said above Toronto doesn't have that 1st round pick, so maybe they part with 2014. I view Lowry as a stopgap PG, maybe draft a PG and have him ready when Lowry is done. Matthews I think is a solid 2-guard, has size. If Tobias develops next year I think you have a decent little core.

Lowry
Draft PG
Matthews
Harris
Henson
Ersan
Sanders

Obviously this trade isn't going to happen, but interesting for all teams I'd think.

It's much too good for us to ever come true lol. Admittedly I'm a bit of a Lowry fanboy, but he really is a damn good player. Poor midrange shooter, but great from three and the line, and draws fouls at a high rate. He's also a phenomenal rebounder and takes great care of the ball. Not to mention his tenacious defense. I would love to have him as our starting PG- and he's only 26 which is not bad.

Matthews is a good team SG- can shoot from range and is a good defender. I would be ecstatic if Hammond somehow pulled this off.

yoshii8 wrote:The trade deadline keeps becoming more and more interesting. It'll be interesting to see what kind of value BJ3 has if he's shopped. I doubt there looking to deal him, but I'd love to see Grieves Vazquez come back and be our point. A 6'6" point guard who is actually a decent shooter would be a lot better fit w/ Monta than Jennings.

He doesn't move the needle at all. Solid player, but he's not changing anything. He's also not that much of a better shooter than Jennings, just lesser volume. We need youth or impact, nothing in between.

yoshii8 wrote:The trade deadline keeps becoming more and more interesting. It'll be interesting to see what kind of value BJ3 has if he's shopped. I doubt there looking to deal him, but I'd love to see Grieves Vazquez come back and be our point. A 6'6" point guard who is actually a decent shooter would be a lot better fit w/ Monta than Jennings.

Why? It would also be the worst defensive backcourt in the history of the NBA.

People value assist numbers waaaaaaayyy too much, it's the new PPGz. How useful would Vasquez without the ball in his hands? How much does his team win when he does dominate the ball?

Everything in that report sounds plausible, and I do think that playing in Milwaukee hurts Jennings. But, I also think his performance wasn't ASG-worthy no matter where he played, so if he made it as a Laker, we'd all be screaming about big-market bias.

He can want the max all he wants, but who's going to give it to him? Duffy probably told him something to that effect, which is why he fired him.

As for trading him, my inclination has been for a while that the team is unlikely to move either Monta or Brandon. But I wouldn't be shocked if they traded Brandon instead of Monta because Brandon has better value. I just don't think Kohl would sign off on that kind of move.

LUKE23 wrote:

yoshii8 wrote:The trade deadline keeps becoming more and more interesting. It'll be interesting to see what kind of value BJ3 has if he's shopped. I doubt there looking to deal him, but I'd love to see Grieves Vazquez come back and be our point. A 6'6" point guard who is actually a decent shooter would be a lot better fit w/ Monta than Jennings.

He doesn't move the needle at all. Solid player, but he's not changing anything. He's also not that much of a better shooter than Jennings, just lesser volume. We need youth or impact, nothing in between.

If that is the case, I think youth is the only option. I just don't see any "impact" guys out there that we'd be able to land. Especially if we are talking a wing player. Rudy Gay is off the Market (contract s*cked anyway), Paul Pierce I guess. I'm not a huge fan and he's old, but he has a little left I think. I guess I really don't know any other "impact" guys that are truly available that we could land. Unless somebody is available that hasn't been mentioned.

Youth is the direction I'd go. I can't overstate how disappointed I'll be if we trade Jennings for a veteran wing that adds future salary and keep Ellis at PG. That team would be about as interesting as soccer.

LUKE23 wrote: That team would be about as interesting as soccer.

So then they'd be the most interesting team in the world?

I've been a defender of Jennings and think he'll still improve, but a max contract? Lol.

yoshii8 wrote:
So then they'd be the most interesting team in the world?

No, least interesting in the country.

lol at the overreaction of this board. Always entertaining, that's for sure.

Of course Jennings thinks he's worth the max. Why would he publically say different? He should try to get as much money as he can and the Bucks should match.

You guys are hilarious sometimes.

I'm feeling very disillusioned as a fan this morning. We have the same problems every year/every few years.

Jennings is a nice talent, but very inflated view of himself along with Monta Ellis Have It All and now he's pouting again for not making the all star game and for not getting a max contract.

Looks like it's time to deal him.

Eric Bledsoe is still at the top of my list....maybe him sputtering as a starter could make him available again.

Not sure how interested they'd be in getting Jennings who is heading towards RFA.

paulpressey25 wrote:Gery said Jennings wanted the max last fall. That's why a deal didn't get done.

And when he didn't make the all star team last week believed it was because he played in Milwaukee. Small market did him in.

None of this is the least bit surprising. Jennings has long fancied himself a big-time, big-city player. He practically ejaculated over New York City on his first trip there with the Bucks. And we heard the same thing last season about his inner circle telling him he didn't make the All-Star team because he played in Milwaukee. Not the least bit surprised to hear all this.

Also not surprised to hear some in the organization think they can roll with Ellis at PG.

Sadly, the only thing that could surprise me about this team at this point is if they did something intelligent.

paulpressey25 wrote:Woelfel said an agent speculated that Monta would get 4/$36 or $9mm per from someone. Sounds about right.

I think that may be the ceiling. I could easily see him getting less than that.

Back to Jennings, trading him is fine but who would want him? I'm not convinced there's a big market for a poor shooting, inefficient poor distributing PG who thinks he's an All Star and needs to be paid like one.