Kings <not> going to give Andre Iguodala a max contract

pr0wler · Post #101 » by **pr0wler** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:50 am

Horrible signing for the Kings, this team has 0 structure or direction of where they're going. Basically like the Bucks of the West.

Paradise · Post #102 » by **Paradise** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:56 am

pr0wler wrote:Horrible signing for the Kings, this team has 0 structure or direction of where they're going. Basically like the Bucks of the West.

How? They would have a nice trio of McLemore, Iggy, Cousins.

Blame Rasho · Post #103 » by **Blame Rasho** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 3:59 am

The Rebel wrote:
The Nuggets went from the 20th ranked defense in 2011-2012 to the 11th ranked defense despite Karl playing a switching defense that called for the Shooting Guards and Small forwards to help protect the paint while leaving 3 point shooters wide open. Everything considered I would say that was a pretty big jump when he was really the only roster addition.

You do realize how hollow that stat is when you put those stats at face value.

It is points per 100 possessions....the defensive stat you are using.

A difference between one point either way... would make you 10th or 16th...

You can make a better argument that posting that... esp when a single point that could come from a free throw or garbage time could make a world of a difference over 82 games esp when Iggy is or isn't on the floor.

List opp PER, player respect, points per isolation, etc if you want to make an argument but don't use a team stat to validate Iggy's defensive impact.

Teens On Acid · Post #104 » by **Teens On Acid** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:00 am

i don't like this one bit...

JDizzel3000 · Post #105 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:00 am

The Rebel wrote:The Nuggets went from the 20th ranked defense in 2011-2012 to the 11th ranked defense despite Karl playing a switching defense that called for the Shooting Guards and Small forwards to help protect the paint while leaving 3 point shooters wide open. Everything considered I would say that was a pretty big jump when he was really the only roster addition.

Mehhhh get outta here with that "ranked" stuff that's deceiving ... Hell you can give up .5 ppg less than another team and be separated by 5 spots ....for example

What about the FG% eFG% TO% etc etc

Because when I looked it didn't look like there was much difference if any at all

And I would call that a non factor

Their defensive rating raw numbers did go from 103 to 102 tho .... I guess that's the impact you guys are talking about?

DaFan334 · Post #106 » by **DaFan334** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:01 am

The Nuggets are allegedly offering a 5 year deal for $63 Million. Could be interesting to see what deal he ends up taking. The Nuggets situation seems better, but I have a biased point of view.

MaxRider · Post #107 » by **MaxRider** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:08 am

wow no wonder josh smith is asking for max

Post #108 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:08 am

Paradise wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Horrible signing for the Kings, this team has 0 structure or direction of where they're going. Basically like the Bucks of the West.

How? They would have a nice trio of McLemore, Iggy, Cousins.

How is that a good trio? Iggy is going to be 30, his career wil be winding down while the other two are coming into their primes. Also, not competing with anybody with that trio, middle of the pack team if they perform well, high lottery if they don't.

Sundov · Post #109 » by **Sundov** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:11 am

JDizzel3000 wrote:14mil for a guy with a 15per?

Man there's some wild stuff going on this off season ..lol

Andray Blatche has a PER of almost 20. And he got $1.4m for one year. Make whatever conclusions you want from that.

Prince187 · Post #110 » by **Prince187** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:12 am

DaFan334 wrote:The Nuggets are allegedly offering a 5 year deal for $63 Million. Could be interesting to see what deal he ends up taking. The Nuggets situation seems better, but I have a biased point of view.

even that's too much. He deserves 8 million a year max.

Post #111 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:15 am

Sundov wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:14mil for a guy with a 15per?

Man there's some wild stuff going on this off season ..lol

Andray Blatche has a PER of almost 20. And he got $1.4m for one year. Make whatever conclusions you want from that.

That's an anomaly signing, he actually deserved way more, don't understand how Blatche still seems to be taboo, credible sample size as well for such a good PER.

InWestWeTrust · Post #112 » by **InWestWeTrust** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:17 am

Ridic and stupid. New Kings sound like the old kings

Wolves21 · Post #113 » by **Wolves21** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:18 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
Paradise wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Horrible signing for the Kings, this team has 0 structure or direction of where they're going. Basically like the Bucks of the West.

How? They would have a nice trio of McLemore, Iggy, Cousins.

How is that a good trio? Iggy is going to be 30, his career wil be winding down while the other two are coming into their primes. Also, not competing with anybody with that trio, middle of the pack team if they perform well, high lottery if they don't.

I am not in favor of the move of signing AI to a $14M a year contract but I can see the thinking behind it for the Kings.If they think this would be a move that could get them into the playoff hunt along with a few other minor moves it makes sense.Ya they would be a first round and out team but Cousins and McLemore would get some post season experience and hopefully their games improve so in three or four years when AI contract is up or is moved in the last year of his deal the team has a winning attitude around it and both of the youngster could be all-star caliber players.So bring in other top tier or second tier players in theory should be easier.

Brauer · Post #114 » by **Brauer** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:20 am

Once again I would like to say that I like this move for the Kings. Serves well to change team culture, good fit with Ben Mclemore. Specially since it isn't the max.

kamazilla · Post #115 » by **kamazilla** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:21 am

JDizzel3000 · Post #116 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:21 am

Sundov wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:14mil for a guy with a 15per?

Man there's some wild stuff going on this off season ..lol

Andray Blatche has a PER of almost 20. And he got $1.4m for one year. Make whatever conclusions you want from that.

Andray Blatche had A really good season last year .... Hence his per reflecting that ... he also had a history of being a known head case until he had a ressurection of sorts in Brklyn if he can do that one or two more times i can see that dollar amount definately raising up ........ I don't get your point in bringing him up tho?

Yoshun · Post #117 » by **Yoshun** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:21 am

InWestWeTrust wrote:Ridic and stupid. New Kings sound like the old kings

Pretty much. I just don't get what their "plan" is. Why waste a max contract on Iggy? No disrespect to Iggy, he's a good player and all, but he's not worth any where near a max.

JDizzel3000 · Post #118 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:25 am

You know what this reminds me of? It's kinda like when the bulls went out and signed Ben Wallace to all of that money ... It was the same kind of talk ... " he's gonna be good for the youngsters" "defensive impact" etc etc etc

Yeah.............................. :roll:

heh · Post #119 » by **heh** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:25 am

sacramento needs a good veteran presence. its a good move. they could be a potential playoff team with iggy

heh · Post #120 » by **heh** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:26 am

JDizzel3000 wrote:You know what this reminds me of? It's kinda like when the bulls went out and signed Ben Wallace to all of that money ... It was the same kind of talk ... " he's gonna be good for the youngsters" "defensive impact" etc etc etc

Yeah..............................

the only difference was wallace was one dimensional and past his prime. iggy is a good fit