Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Meliorus]

What would it take for Denver to get Oubre from you guys? Any realistic trade where we don't give up any of Jokic, Mudiay, Murray, Harris? We kinda need young SF to pair with those guys.

Something centered around Nurkic could conceivably work in terms of value. But since the Wizards already have 2 centers (Gortat and Mahinmi) I don't see them being interested at all in trading Oubre for another.

I don't see the Wizards trading Oubre at all. They see him as the SF of the future. Porter will shift to PF as he gets older and stronger.

Oubre is Ernie's prized possession. He's not getting traded. However, I don't know if Otto will ever be a power forward. He weighs 205 pounds, the same as Bradley Beal. Also, a lot of small forwards simply don't like transitioning to PF because it's physically painful to play against guys like Randolph and Aldridge.

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Better than Wall:
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Lowry
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Worse than Wall:
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Lowry
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Hedging your bets, huh?

Oops. I meant Kemba Walker in the "worse than" column.

I didn't think of Walker, but I did assume you had someone in mind when you wrote Lowry the 2d time by mistake.

I'm interested in the concepts of "better" & "worse" as (I think) you're using them here. In most cases, I don't think of things in that way -- or, I mean, what I think about is "how well is the guy playing," how good a season is he having, which is in the numbers (though numbers, like anything else, aren't perfect. In a few cases, in a few ways, they can make a guy look to be playing a little better or worse than he is).

Of course, over time, you do see that some players consistently put up better numbers than other players, season after season, & in those cases there's no avoiding the conclusion that e.g. Chris Paul is simply "better" than (insert just about any name here). But, for example, in comparing Lowry& Wall, I hold off on that conclusion.

There's no question that Lowry has played better almost every season the two guys have both been in the league, but Lowry's older: you wind up comparing years unfairly. His actual arc of development is pretty similar to Wall's, & John will have some years when he's still playing at his peak level, whereas Lowry will already be in decline.

I.e. in my mind who is "better" between them overall, as opposed to who is having a better season any given year we are looking at, is still an open one.

I guess this has little to do with your list, in truth, since whatever labels you were using, the subject at hand was how players line up in re: the MVP award. A completely different question.

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We have playoff aspirations lol. Who is our starting PF..... Morris lol.

And he shouldn't be our starting 4 because he is a bad player. Pretty much any team with a winning record has a better starting 4.

Anthony bennett is a bad player, Morris is not. I am not saying he is Wilt Chamberlain. I am not saying he is the best starter in the league. But ****, he's not a "bad" Player. If you have seriously watched the games, looked at his actual numbers, you can't say he's bad. I'm not saying he is amazing. but Not bad. If you don't like him as a player that's one thing, that's an opinion. But don't disrespect the dude, who has been playing really hard, and doing really well the last couple months getting better and playing well, by calling him bad.

Well, you do have a point. If Bennett defines "bad", Morris isn't "bad."

But Bennett doesn't define bad; he defines not good enough to play in the NBA at all. No one would say that about Morris. He's good enough to get some minutes in this league. He's good enough to be a journeyman bench player. Not one of the better journeyman bench players, don't get me wrong. But still, he does play well enough to earn a spot in the NBA.

You are also right that, overall, he's been better the last bunch of games. & for that he deserves credit. His numbers on the season so far aren't better than last year with us, & they aren't as good as his best year, 2013-14. But they are trending in the right direction. If he plays the rest of the year the way he has played the last 2-3 weeks, this will likely be his best year so far.

That's not to say that he'll put up as good numbers overall this year as an average 4 in the league (not just starters -- all of them). That's unlikely. But, still, if a guy is improving he should get some props for that. Even if he is still a bad player, which Markieff most certainly is.

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It's worth noting that Morris would be a fine player as the 3rd or 4th big on a team. He would be valuable in a 20-25 minute a night role. He's also being paid exactly like that kind of player.

It's just that as a full time starter playing heavy minutes, he's not a good player. And he was never, ever worth giving up that pick for.

[JAR69]

Thinking like Ernie, dealine deal with Sacto:

Nicholson, Thornton, McLellan, and this year's first (top 7 protected) for Temple and Casspi. Works in the checker.

[Meliorus]

Thinking like Ernie, dealine deal with Sacto:

Nicholson, Thornton, McLellan, and this year's first (top 7 protected) for Temple and Casspi. Works in the checker.

Not going to happen. Ernie is not THAT dumb. 2017 draft is not the 2016 draft, he could convince someone that in a weak draft, trading your pick for a "starter" would be a good deal. Ernie would not trade a pick in a good draft for bench players. However, I could see him trading the pick for a Markieff/Gortat replacement. Stay tuned.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Thinking like Ernie, dealine deal with Sacto:

Nicholson, Thornton, McLellan, and this year's first (top 7 protected) for Temple and Casspi. Works in the checker.

Not sure if serious.

[Weganator]

I have been thinking about trying to do Nicholson + 17 1st for Anthony Tolliver + rights to Bogdan Bogdanovic.

Would give us a vet 4 who can hit the 3 a bit better, dumps Nicholson, and gives us another G/F who can shoot the 3 next year.

This assumes that Nicholsons contract isn't too toxic to request assets along with the pick and that the Kings would value Bogdanovic less than our 1st because he would be less likely to play for them.

[Meliorus]

I have been thinking about trying to do Nicholson + 17 1st for Anthony Tolliver + rights to Bogdan Bogdanovic.

Would give us a vet 4 who can hit the 3 a bit better, dumps Nicholson, and gives us another G/F who can shoot the 3 next year.

This assumes that Nicholsons contract isn't too toxic to request assets along with the pick and that the Kings would value Bogdanovic less than our 1st because he would be less likely to play for them.

You're overestimating Bogdan, he's a no-defense scrub of the first degree. 2017 1st? Are you kidding me? Nicholson's contract isn't even that bad.

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Nicholson's way overpaid, but the actual dollars are not that high. It's a waste, but holy moly it's not worth giving up our R1 pick this year to dump it.

[JAR69]

Thinking like Ernie, dealine deal with Sacto:

Nicholson, Thornton, McLellan, and this year's first (top 7 protected) for Temple and Casspi. Works in the checker.

Not sure if serious.

Not in favor, just trying to imagine the kind of thing I can see Ernie doing. Strengthens our bench with a known quality backup for three positions and a stretch 4, plus dumps Nicholson. It isn't a good argument, but one I can see him making to Ted.

[Meliorus]

Thinking like Ernie, dealine deal with Sacto:

Nicholson, Thornton, McLellan, and this year's first (top 7 protected) for Temple and Casspi. Works in the checker.

Not sure if serious.

Not in favor, just trying to imagine the kind of thing I can see Ernie doing. Strengthens our bench with a known quality backup for three positions and a stretch 4, plus dumps Nicholson. It isn't a good argument, but one I can see him making to Ted.

At the minimum a 1st round pick will net a player who can start over Markieff/Gortat and move one of them to the bench. That would strengthen our bench. You're really underestimating the value of 1st rounders in a strong draft and a new cap situation where rookie contracts are more valuable than ever.

[gambitx777]

Thinking like Ernie, dealine deal with Sacto:

Nicholson, Thornton, McLellan, and this year's first (top 7 protected) for Temple and Casspi. Works in the checker.

Not sure if serious.

Not in favor, just trying to imagine the kind of thing I can see Ernie doing. Strengthens our bench with a known quality backup for three positions and a stretch 4, plus dumps Nicholson. It isn't a good argument, but one I can see him making to Ted.

The reason that deal does not work is because caspi is not that good and temple is not either. They are lower level end of the bench guys. not worth giving up a first and McCellan for. Now if it was nicholson, Burke and thornton and a heavily protected future first. collison, WCS and caspi them maybe id be game.

[dangermouse]

If Ernie could swing a deal and get Collison and WCS here from Sac Town i would cream. That fixes too many problems to have a realistic chance of happening though.

[nuposse04]

If Ernie could swing a deal and get Collison and WCS here from Sac Town i would cream. That fixes too many problems to have a realistic chance of happening though.

SAC might have the only FO in the league that could rival ours in stupidity.

[montestewart]

If Ernie could swing a deal and get Collison and WCS here from Sac Town i would cream. That fixes too many problems to have a realistic chance of happening though.

SAC might have the only FO in the league that could rival ours in stupidity.

Nets FO not so hot either

http://nesn.com/2017/01/did-nets-front-office-really-meet-at-starbucks-to-discuss-trade-ideas/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_1405843

[Ruzious]

If Ernie could swing a deal and get Collison and WCS here from Sac Town i would cream. That fixes too many problems to have a realistic chance of happening though.

Realistically, we have to hope that Mahinmi returns - since we have 64 mil invested in him. I'm not sure it makes sense to go after WCS - since he basically does what Mahinmi does and seems to have a relatively low BBIQ.

[Meliorus]

If Ernie could swing a deal and get Collison and WCS here from Sac Town i would cream. That fixes too many problems to have a realistic chance of happening though.

Realistically, we have to hope that Mahinmi returns - since we have 64 mil invested in him. I'm not sure it makes sense to go after WCS - since he basically does what Mahinmi does and seems to have a relatively low BBIQ.

WCS is challenged in the rebounding department. Love his upside though!

[Rafael122]

What would it take for Denver to get Oubre from you guys? Any realistic trade where we don't give up any of Jokic, Mudiay, Murray, Harris? We kinda need young SF to pair with those guys.

Don't see them trading Oubre. I really like Chandler as a small ball 4, Nurkic makes sense but unless we send Gortat or Morris there, the salaries won't match.

I'd say Oubre and Nicholson for Barton and Nurkic.

[gambitx777]

If Ernie could swing a deal and get Collison and WCS here from Sac Town i would cream. That fixes too many problems to have a realistic chance of happening though.

Realistically, we have to hope that Mahinmi returns - since we have 64 mil invested in him. I'm not sure it makes sense to go after WCS - since he basically does what Mahinmi does and seems to have a relatively low BBIQ.

WCS is challenged in the rebounding department. Love his upside though!

That would be the point, let him fill in for Mahinmi while hes hurt, get some burn then learn behind Gortat, (good rebounder, good offence) and Mahinmi (good rebounder great Defence.)