Build a Team 17.0 Discussion Thread #3 (NBA Champion will be announced Thursday 7PM)

[3toheadmelo]

the bucks are a better team defensively without jabari parker on the court.
so take that with a grain of salt

[mpharris36]

You're not looking at all the other dependent variables. Nance makes his living from switching on D, and plays on the same unit as guys like Lou Williams and D-Loading. And again, I invite you to take one trip the Lakersground.net where they discuss Nance's D.

Again, the fact that that stat says KP is one of the most impactful defenders in the NBA is how I know that it's not above any other analytic.

I have multiple analytics that prove that Nance is a very good defender in DWS and DRPM.

the same KP who was the only one that stopped John Wall on back to back possessions when he switched on him?

Yes does he get caught back door from time to time. Sure as a lot of young players playing on a terrible defensive team do. Stat isn't the end all be all but its significantly more reliable than DRPM. Thats for sure.

For example my stat suggests zaza is one of the worst defenders when gobert is one of the best.

your stat suggests gobert is the best and zaza is right behind him as the 3rd best center.

No one can sit here and tell me zaza pachulia is a good defender. He is atrocious defending especially defending the rim.

He is #3 because he plays alongside Dray, Durant, and Klay 3 of the best defenders at there positions.

DRPM takes into consideration all 5 on the court. And it helps the weak line wayyyyy to much.

[El Poochio]

Someone actually traded for Jameer? I didn´t even know he was still in the league

A or B?

[NewEra]

I'm too lazy to check MPH's advanced stats. For all I know he could be lying. Waiting for him to say something like KP's sneakers makes and average of 3 and a half more squeaks than Jabari's

my stat from your starting lineup suggests

Horford is an average defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to league average
Zaza is' a horrible one (which he isn't good) - gives up 6% higher than league average
Luc Richard is a great one (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 5% worse shooting than average (amazing)
Klay is a really good defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 2.5% worse shooting than there average (really good)
Darren Collison is a mediorce defender - he allows offensive players to shoot 1.5% higher than there average (he probably slightly below average when you think of defensive guards.

Now those seem pretty true do you agree?

Maybe horford is a little better than just average but he takes a hit because he is an undersized 5 so he doesn't defend the rim well enough to help him there. He makes up for his P&R defense though.

Sounds about right. I picked up ZaZa mostly for stuff that don't show on the stat sheet though.

(copies all the good stats you wrote and adds to my write up for Swiss )

[j4remi]

I've actually been impressed by Jameer Nelson's play this season, not great or anything but he's a completely competent back-up at this point which isn't half bad as most teams just throw scorers in that slot.

[Smash3]

but you're building around paul george, like he's been to the finals before

How are you going to sidestep:



We have two franchise players. We have a team of competitors, this is a no rat zone.

You have jack sh*y bro.

I'm sorry. You know I love ya, but just a week ago Lowery was leading the Raps to 5 straight losses (landing them BEHIND the Celtics now ), and let's be real that team is now in Derozan's hands. The Pacers are BARELY hanging on to a Playoff spot thanks to your almighty "Franchise" player Paul George ( ), and the rest of your team is currently non-existent.

--Mags

These short dry spells don´t matter, at the end of the day you can´t spell beast without Lowry and George

[El Poochio]

Here is to hoping Greenie takes this guy so I dont have to

[mpharris36]

I'm too lazy to check MPH's advanced stats. For all I know he could be lying. Waiting for him to say something like KP's sneakers makes and average of 3 and a half more squeaks than Jabari's

my stat from your starting lineup suggests

Horford is an average defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to league average
Zaza is' a horrible one (which he isn't good) - gives up 6% higher than league average
Luc Richard is a great one (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 5% worse shooting than average (amazing)
Klay is a really good defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 2.5% worse shooting than there average (really good)
Darren Collison is a mediorce defender - he allows offensive players to shoot 1.5% higher than there average (he probably slightly below average when you think of defensive guards.

Now those seem pretty true do you agree?

Maybe horford is a little better than just average but he takes a hit because he is an undersized 5 so he doesn't defend the rim well enough to help him there. He makes up for his P&R defense though.

This stat has its flaw in the fact that it only accounts for man defense. It's difficult to call it a chief defensive statistic, when I can make the argument that DRTG and DRPM would show the same findings of NewEra's team.

nope your stat suggests Zaza Pachulia is the 3rd best defensive center in the league

[Slicin N Dicin]

I'm too lazy to check MPH's advanced stats. For all I know he could be lying. Waiting for him to say something like KP's sneakers makes and average of 3 and a half more squeaks than Jabari's

my stat from your starting lineup suggests

Horford is an average defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to league average
Zaza is' a horrible one (which he isn't good) - gives up 6% higher than league average
Luc Richard is a great one (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 5% worse shooting than average (amazing)
Klay is a really good defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 2.5% worse shooting than there average (really good)
Darren Collison is a mediorce defender - he allows offensive players to shoot 1.5% higher than there average (he probably slightly below average when you think of defensive guards.

Now those seem pretty true do you agree?

Maybe horford is a little better than just average but he takes a hit because he is an undersized 5 so he doesn't defend the rim well enough to help him there. He makes up for his P&R defense though.

Sounds about right. I picked up ZaZa mostly for stuff that don't show on the stat sheet though.

(copies all the good stats you wrote and adds to my write up for Swiss )

I was about to say - can you do my team next with the advanced stats mpharris? lol

[Smash3]

Someone actually traded for Jameer? I didn´t even know he was still in the league

A or B?

Definitely B

[Jose7]

What's good

[Mecca]

You're not looking at all the other dependent variables. Nance makes his living from switching on D, and plays on the same unit as guys like Lou Williams and D-Loading. And again, I invite you to take one trip the Lakersground.net where they discuss Nance's D.

Again, the fact that that stat says KP is one of the most impactful defenders in the NBA is how I know that it's not above any other analytic.

I have multiple analytics that prove that Nance is a very good defender in DWS and DRPM.

the same KP who was the only one that stopped John Wall on back to back possessions when he switched on him?

Yes does he get caught back door from time to time. Sure as a lot of young players playing on a terrible defensive team do. Stat isn't the end all be all but its significantly more reliable than DRPM. Thats for sure.

For example my stat suggests zaza is one of the worst defenders when gobert is one of the best.

your stat suggests gobert is the best and zaza is right behind him as the 3rd best center.

No one can sit here and tell me zaza pachulia is a good defender. He is atrocious defending especially defending the rim.

He is #3 because he plays alongside Dray, Durant, and Klay 3 of the best defenders at there positions.

DRPM takes into consideration all 5 on the court. And it helps the weak line wayyyyy to much.

Yes, but most logical NBA fans understand that certain Spurs/Warriors have inflated analytical stats due to the team they're on. However, generally, the DRPM is a very good statistic that can decipher who plays D.

Dieng has the 4th among Centers in DRPM, despite playing with Wiggins/Lavine/Towns, how does that statistic not tell you anything?

If you analyze the DRPM list, the majority of defenders on it are elite. The only flaw is that teams with great D's stick out, and rotational players that impact the game on D stick out.

[Smash3]

Man Paul George is one of my favorite players, it seems with the train wreck Bird has given him to carry people forgot about him.

[NewEra]

What's good

Discussion thread is poppin!

[El Poochio]

Someone actually traded for Jameer? I didn´t even know he was still in the league

A or B?

Definitely B

F

U

[Slicin N Dicin]

What's good

Discussion thread is poppin!

All it needed was a little motivation...helps my day at work go by quicker for sure

[mpharris36]

but you just argued that your stat would show the exact same thing mine would for New Era's team and I totally refuted that by saying mine said zaza was one of the worst and your was one of the best. That isn't just an outlier that is a pretty stark difference...no???

Zaza does other things like rebounding and get under peoples skin which I know why new era picked him but being a good defender isn't one of them. But DRPM suggests he is a beast defensively.

[Mecca]

my stat from your starting lineup suggests

Horford is an average defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to league average
Zaza is' a horrible one (which he isn't good) - gives up 6% higher than league average
Luc Richard is a great one (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 5% worse shooting than average (amazing)
Klay is a really good defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 2.5% worse shooting than there average (really good)
Darren Collison is a mediorce defender - he allows offensive players to shoot 1.5% higher than there average (he probably slightly below average when you think of defensive guards.

Now those seem pretty true do you agree?

Maybe horford is a little better than just average but he takes a hit because he is an undersized 5 so he doesn't defend the rim well enough to help him there. He makes up for his P&R defense though.

This stat has its flaw in the fact that it only accounts for man defense. It's difficult to call it a chief defensive statistic, when I can make the argument that DRTG and DRPM would show the same findings of NewEra's team.

nope your stat suggests Zaza Pachulia is the 3rd best defensive center in the league

Again, that's the only flaw on that list because he plays with Draymond.

SlowMo is also elite in your list, correct? Lets be honest now. Both lists have flaws.

[El Poochio]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

[NewEra]

but you just argued that your stat would show the exact same thing mine would for New Era's team and I totally refuted that by saying mine said zaza was one of the worst and your was one of the best. That isn't just an outlier that is a pretty stark difference...no???

Zaza does other things like rebounding and get under peoples skin which I know why new era picked him but being a good defender isn't one of them. But DRPM suggests he is a beast defensively.

THIS is exactly why I picked him.