Magic Exercising 20-21 Option on Fultz

[VanWest82]

Yeah I mean the fact that Simmons coming off an all star appearance signed a full 5 year deal while Porzingis coming off a lost season got 4 years and a player option is a pretty clear example of the advantages of locking certain guys up early.

As far as Fultz goes... if they wanted to pick up his option I can see the argument there really wasn't any point in waiting. Even if he shows progress in training camp he can always regress like he did last year. At a certain point you just have to decide whether you're committing to him or not.

I’m not sure I get your point. Porzingis coming off an ACL was much more likely to push for a long-term deal. Simmons potentially coming off a healthy, second consecutive all star season would be more likely to be empowered to take a one year max with the intention of moving on if he was pissed that the Sixers made him wait. We’re living in the player empowerment era. I don’t think that kind of thing is beyond reasonable anymore. I promise you Rich would have said as much (whether true or not) if Sixers hadn’t stepped up.

I stand by my point with Fultz. Maybe you’re going to do it regardless but there’s value in actually making him earn it. He hasn’t had to earn anything in the NBA to this point. There are questions about his work ethic and mental state, media driven or not. Why not put him under a little pressure and see how he responds? If he can’t handle that then what are actual NBA games going to do to him??

[Plutonashfan]

[cwas2882]

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

and where did you go to medical school?

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

University of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria Medical School

[michaelm]

There are reasons and they've been stated on Realgm numerous times. He was the #1 pick and with that comes big expectations. Had he fulfilled them the Sixers would look a lot different now (which also would change things in the East).

But he didn't and the answers we got (the fans) are questionable at best. The Magic obviously believe in him so we'll see how he does going forward.

"High expectations" is not a reason to act like people are doing with him.

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

The possibility exists that he has had an injury. There are numerous conditions about which there has been initial scepticism which have proved out in the end. And one thing which is fairly definite is that diagnosing someone as having a functional/psychologically based health issue is perilous.

[michaelm]

I'm not sure I've ever wanted a guy to success more than Fultz with all the countless garbage hate he's gotten for no reason.

The garbage hate might for for his garbage play....

That's be rather irrational.

Playing him next to Simmons wasn’t tenable for the Sixers unless they were sure he would regain his shot, and not gambling on him doing so with Embiid’s prime quite likely limited was probably reasonable if they were committed to Simmons.

[TheRealKaboom]

no, but being caught in a series of bald faced lies is. People don't like liars, people applaud honesty. Don't lie to my face and tell me you have a shoulder injury when anyone with 2 eyes and a working brain can see you clearly have some sort of mental deficiency/illness causing ALL of your problems. Be honest and up front and people will sympathize. Repeatedly lie about a shoulder injury and the time table for your return and fans will turn on you with justification. I still remember his agent saying he has TOS and he will be back on the court after 6 weeks of PT. That was a year ago. Now the Magic are even saying there is still no timetable for his return. All because of an alleged TOS injury that is so minor it doesn't require surgery.

He's a liar and he's taking advantage of society's reluctance to call out people who claim to be hurt, he's using that as a shield to protect what is left of his reputation.

and where did you go to medical school?

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

A medical doctor didn't diagnose Fultz with TOS. His agent, Raymond Brothers, was the one who diagnosed him with that. Same guy who diagnosed him with all the other stuff.

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[Antinomy]

I’d bet the house that Orlando hands Fultz $100+ million after this season if he puts together even a half-decent year.

[Dan Z]

I’d bet the house that Orlando hands Fultz $100+ million after this season if he puts together even a half-decent year.

That would be crazy even if he has a decent season. But hey I didn't think they'd exercise his 20-21 option so who knows?

Does anyone know if he's slated to play at the beginning of the season? Or is that still unknown?

[GeorgeMarcus]

This should be extremely encouraging for Magic fans with regard to his development. There was no pressure to extend him now, and it's not like his cap hold is insignificant. Right?

Not. Did you see how well Evan Fournier played for France? Magic shoulda cut bait on Fultz. His salary is like 10 mil!! That money could be used more effectively and efficiently.

Fournier has been starting in Orlando for 5 years- I think they pretty much know what they're going to get from him. Fultz has a much higher ceiling if he can overcome the TOS (or whatever other reason people believe his shot changed).

[GeorgeMarcus]

I am absolutely stunned. Fultz has proven to be nothing short of a giant headache for everyone involved so far in his NBA career. He has accomplished nothing. Why not at least make him go through camp and show progress against actual NBA competition before picking up the option? What's the downside?

Even if Hammond has been attending private workouts over the summer where Fultz has looked great, it still doesn't make sense. Fultz's agent deserves a raise. He should get to keep half of the 12M.

Beyond the stupidity from the Magic's perspective, I don't see how it helps Fultz's development to once again have something handed to him without having to earn it.

As a Sixers fan, I don't think it's fair to call Fultz a headache at any point. He did nothing but work hard and keep his head down. The media narratives about the nature of his condition generated the perceived headache.

What condition?

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We've had this conversation half a dozen times and you already demonstrated you were impervious to logic

[GeorgeMarcus]

And Gordon/Isaac comments.

We fans dont expect much and wont get too excited until we see him actually on the court, but this easily could be one of the biggest steals of the decade if all pans out.

Yeah we were in a bad position but that trade was garbage. Easily Brand’s worst as GM.

You’d have to pick with Brand. He hasn’t done a good job, and it’s reminiscent of early Vlade.

But I don’t think it’s a huge deal to pick up Fultz’ option given the terrible FA landscape this coming year and Orlando’s position in it. They don’t have much else to spend it on

Jury is still out on Brand but I'm happy with what he has built. I would much prefer his approach to the Danny Ainge 'collect assets and watch them fizzle' strategy.

[dhsilv2]

The garbage hate might for for his garbage play....

That's be rather irrational.

Playing him next to Simmons wasn’t tenable for the Sixers unless they were sure he would regain his shot, and not gambling on him doing so with Embiid’s prime quite likely limited was probably reasonable if they were committed to Simmons.

Agree with this. without his jumper he'd have at best been an interesting 6th man for the 76ers. Not a bad piece per say but over priced given they had other needs.

[dhsilv2]

I’d bet the house that Orlando hands Fultz $100+ million after this season if he puts together even a half-decent year.

That would be crazy even if he has a decent season. But hey I didn't think they'd exercise his 20-21 option so who knows?

Does anyone know if he's slated to play at the beginning of the season? Or is that still unknown?

If there are any plans they aren't public yet. It's awful early to really expect to hear anything to be honest. This would indicate at the very least that anyone questioning his work ethic likely should rethink it. I can't imagine the magic aren't at least aware of how much time/effort is going into whatever he's working on.

[cwas2882]

and where did you go to medical school?

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

A medical doctor didn't diagnose Fultz with TOS. His agent, Raymond Brothers, was the one who diagnosed him with that. Same guy who diagnosed him with all the other stuff.

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Source?

[SF_Warriors]

I am not going to hate on fultz, but I have doubts about his talent.

I remember watching a game where the guy could not drive by the guy defending him..not once the entire game, and he had a good amount of touches. This was against dallas in a preseason game, so he had plenty of opportunity. This is supposed to be a nba level point guard we are talking about.

Personally, I take pride in my ability to assess nba players, so when I see something like that it sends me red flags. And that was definitely not the first time I felt that way. I remember watching him in the playoffs and he just gets stonewalled by a single defender more than once on a fast break. I know this is playoff basketball and he was a rookie, but blue chip guys finish those plays.

I remember watching deangelo russell workout before he was drafted and thought to myself that the guy was a legit nba starter. I was devastated when he flamed out in LA because I was doubting myself. Now, I feel like he is an above average starter at least.

Porzingas, I saw the infamous workout video before he was drafted, and thought the guy was legit as well. People were making fun of the OP but after watching that vid, I immediately felt porzingas was a starting level player.

No one will believe me, but i posted on a rookie thread that both guys looked legit based on their workouts and never watching them play a single game otherwise, but I digress.

Watching fultz over a dozen times, in preseason, regular season, and playoffs. I was never impressed once, which is a huuuuge red flag for me.

I was actually rooting for the guy in philly. I was a big supporter of the Process, and he was the guy to prove me right..

He has the injury card going for him. We will see what he is made of next season.

[Sixerscan]

Yeah I mean the fact that Simmons coming off an all star appearance signed a full 5 year deal while Porzingis coming off a lost season got 4 years and a player option is a pretty clear example of the advantages of locking certain guys up early.

As far as Fultz goes... if they wanted to pick up his option I can see the argument there really wasn't any point in waiting. Even if he shows progress in training camp he can always regress like he did last year. At a certain point you just have to decide whether you're committing to him or not.

I’m not sure I get your point. Porzingis coming off an ACL was much more likely to push for a long-term deal. Simmons potentially coming off a healthy, second consecutive all star season would be more likely to be empowered to take a one year max with the intention of moving on if he was pissed that the Sixers made him wait. We’re living in the player empowerment era. I don’t think that kind of thing is beyond reasonable anymore. I promise you Rich would have said as much (whether true or not) if Sixers hadn’t stepped up.

I stand by my point with Fultz. Maybe you’re going to do it regardless but there’s value in actually making him earn it. He hasn’t had to earn anything in the NBA to this point. There are questions about his work ethic and mental state, media driven or not. Why not put him under a little pressure and see how he responds? If he can’t handle that then what are actual NBA games going to do to him??

Porzingis can decide whether he wants to be a free agent a year sooner than Simmons can (well two years because of different rookie classes but you get my point).

Porzingis got 5 years, he just also got the option that if he wants to be a free after 4, he can. He'll only pick up that 5th year option if he can't get more than that as a free agent (like if he gets hurt again), so by definition that 5th year would be a bad contract. Simmons is under contract for 5 regardless. Porzingis' contract is more favorable to the player than Simmons' is.

The Sixers were happy to get Simmons locked up for 5 years, and not 4 like Porzingis, or potentially even 3 if he went out and signed an offer sheet.

[michaelm]

I am not going to hate on fultz, but I have doubts about his talent.

I remember watching a game where the guy could not drive by the guy defending him..not once the entire game, and he had a good amount of touches. This was against dallas in a preseason game, so he had plenty of opportunity. This is supposed to be a nba level point guard we are talking about.

Personally, I take pride in my ability to assess nba players, so when I see something like that it sends me red flags. And that was definitely not the first time I felt that way. I remember watching him in the playoffs and he just gets stonewalled by a single defender more than once on a fast break. I know this is playoff basketball and he was a rookie, but blue chip guys finish those plays.

I remember watching deangelo russell workout before he was drafted and thought to myself that the guy was a legit nba starter. I was devastated when he flamed out in LA because I was doubting myself. Now, I feel like he is an above average starter at least.

Porzingas, I saw the infamous workout video before he was drafted, and thought the guy was legit as well. People were making fun of the OP but after watching that vid, I immediately felt porzingas was a starting level player.

No one will believe me, but i posted on a rookie thread that both guys looked legit based on their workouts and never watching them play a single game otherwise, but I digress.

Watching fultz over a dozen times, in preseason, regular season, and playoffs. I was never impressed once, which is a huuuuge red flag for me.

I was actually rooting for the guy in philly. I was a big supporter of the Process, and he was the guy to prove me right..

He has the injury card going for him. We will see what he is made of next season.

Fair post. I object to the assumption that he is definitely malingering, but even with a shot it is hard to see him justifying his draft position, although I agree with others he is at least a solid 6th man caliber player.

[L3GEND4RY]

lol, that reply is lifted perfectly from Fultz's playbook.

Step 1: Buy a BS diagnosis from unnamed Doctor
Step 2: Rely on the reluctance of the general public to question injuries as a shield against scrutiny
Step 3: Call out anyone who disagrees with phantom diagnosis as a non-medical layperson


Tell me this, where did the doctor who diagnosed TOS go to medical school?

A medical doctor didn't diagnose Fultz with TOS. His agent, Raymond Brothers, was the one who diagnosed him with that. Same guy who diagnosed him with all the other stuff.

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Source?

Woj reported it last December per the agent.

[cwas2882]

A medical doctor didn't diagnose Fultz with TOS. His agent, Raymond Brothers, was the one who diagnosed him with that. Same guy who diagnosed him with all the other stuff.

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Source?

Woj reported it last December per the agent.

That a medical doctor doesn't diagnose him? I find that hard to believe

[L3GEND4RY]

Source?

Woj reported it last December per the agent.

That a medical doctor doesn't diagnose him? I find that hard to believe

Given the way this has been handled by his team and that agent, I think people are just skeptical.