ESPN Rankings 3-10 Are Surprisingly Not Horrible

Mister Ze · Post #101 » by **Mister Ze** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:32 pm

Curry getting disrespected as usual

Greyhound · Post #102 » by **Greyhound** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:42 pm

WarriorGM wrote:Only redeeming thing about this list is that it is proof if anyone ever needed it of how biased the media is against Curry.

Spare us...

Curry gets treated rather well for a former MVP, who became a second fiddle in his prime. For a guy that has played in 5 consecutive NBA Finals, without a single Finals MVP. A guy with a history of coming up small, in big games and moments.

Harden, Westbrook, Durant and James all have stronger arguments in this department.

Curry is a great player (the best offensive force in the entire NBA). He has, and shall remain a media darling that press row will bend over backwards to unearth/ concoct whatever ailment exists to “explain” a poor performance.

If a bias exists, it’s in the other direction.

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The media just voted him the second most impactful player of the decade (behind LeBron James and ahead of Durant), how biased against him can they possibly be.

C3H6N6O6 · Post #103 » by **C3H6N6O6** » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:53 pm

LeBron and AD should be ranked outside of top 10 as both missed the playoffs.
People will see how far ahead Clippers are compared to pretty much every team.
I expect Clippers to sweep the Lakers or at most defeat them in 5 games if they meet in the playoffs.
There is a very good chance that Lakers don't even make the playoffs.
AD is young and can probably recover and stay healthy but LeBron is done and will miss a lot of games in regular season or the playoffs.

LarsV8 · Post #104 » by **LarsV8** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:33 am

Curry might be the most babied superstar in the league.

The idea that there is bias against him is downright laughable.

Greyhound · Post #105 » by **Greyhound** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:11 am

Kurtz wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Stats wise in the regular season, yes...Giannis is the better player.

But in the playoffs, LeBron is much more intimidating than Giannis, yes even now

Lebron wasn't in the plyoffs, while giannis nearly knocked off the champs. What you seem to be missing here is Giannis is actually defensively what espn thinks kawhi is.

Great point. Giannis' (and Embiid's) defensive impact blows away anyone else in that top 10. Kawhi is still a very good defender, but he doesn't control the paint like those two guys (and Gobert) do.

Next to Howard and McGee, just watch how highly Davis rates out defensively this season.

I have a sinking suspicion that the Lakers defense is going to be what people expect the Clippers defense to be this season.

freethedevil · Post #106 » by **freethedevil** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:04 am

Greyhound wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
freethedevil wrote:Lebron wasn't in the plyoffs, while giannis nearly knocked off the champs. What you seem to be missing here is Giannis is actually defensively what espn thinks kawhi is.

Great point. Giannis' (and Embiid's) defensive impact blows away anyone else in that top 10. Kawhi is still a very good defender, but he doesn't control the paint like those two guys (and Gobert) do.

Next to Howard and McGee, just watch how highly Davis rates out defensively this season.

I have a sinking suspicion that the Lakers defense is going to be what people expect the Clippers defense to be this season.

They'll both be ****. Davis is a better anchor than george, but the clippers have better wing options.

They'll be relying on overwhelming teams with their offense.

Lakers are probably going to need howard to be useful defensively if they have title hopes.

Adam Stern · Post #107 » by **Adam Stern** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:47 am

WarriorGM wrote:
Adam Stern wrote:
I'm pretty sure Houston had the best record in the NBA season before last and were like 5 or 6 whole games ahead of the Warriors.

You mean the year Curry was out for something like 10 games towards the end of the regular season? With Curry the Warriors were on a 65-win pace. Then he got injured and they finished where they did.

So you're saying the Warriors were "potentially" on a 65 win pace the year Houston actually WON 65 games?
I don't see what your argument is.
Plus, if I remember correctly Houston had the lead by the All-Star break and led from then on.

By the way, didn't Chris Paul miss a boatload of games that year too?

JN61 · Post #108 » by **JN61** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:13 pm

I don't agree with Davis. Jokic is better than he is.

WarriorGM · Post #109 » by **WarriorGM** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:16 pm

Greyhound wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:Only redeeming thing about this list is that it is proof if anyone ever needed it of how biased the media is against Curry.

Spare us...

Curry gets treated rather well for a former MVP, who became a second fiddle in his prime. For a guy that has played in 5 consecutive NBA Finals, without a single Finals MVP. A guy with a history of coming up small, in big games and moments.

Harden, Westbrook, Durant and James all have stronger arguments in this department.

Aside from the fact that Curry did go to 5 consecutive NBA Finals, all of the above is media narrative so I don't know what your point is.

We were told in 2017 that Westbrook and Harden were the ones slugging it out for MVP that year and Curry was having a down year worthy of only being 6th in MVP voting. Anyone with half a brain should have been able to guess the rough contours of what happens next. Durant gets injured and Curry leads the Warriors to another 67-win season and then sets a playoffs plus-minus record.

2019 playoffs comes around Durant gets injured and the media is saying how it is a prime opportunity for Harden and the Rockets to exact revenge. Curry and the Warriors promptly eliminate the Rockets. James meanwhile didn't even make it to the playoffs in the Western Conference.

Did any of that really come as a surprise?

JN61 · Post #110 » by **JN61** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:18 pm

Adam Stern wrote:
gh123 wrote:How the hell does AD still get ranked so high when all he does is miss the PO year after year?

I know he's talented as hell but he's done so very little I don't get why he's ranked so high either.

He plays for the Lakers.

Greyhound · Post #111 » by **Greyhound** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:04 pm

freethedevil wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
Kurtz wrote:
Great point. Giannis' (and Embiid's) defensive impact blows away anyone else in that top 10. Kawhi is still a very good defender, but he doesn't control the paint like those two guys (and Gobert) do.

Next to Howard and McGee, just watch how highly Davis rates out defensively this season.

I have a sinking suspicion that the Lakers defense is going to be what people expect the Clippers defense to be this season.

They'll both be ****. Davis is a better anchor than george, but the clippers have better wing options.

They'll be relying on overwhelming teams with their offense.

Lakers are probably going to need howard to be useful defensively if they have title hopes.

You may be right...

I think you are wrong (on both counts).

Greyhound · Post #112 » by **Greyhound** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:15 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:Only redeeming thing about this list is that it is proof if anyone ever needed it of how biased the media is against Curry.

Spare us...

Curry gets treated rather well for a former MVP, who became a second fiddle in his prime. For a guy that has played in 5 consecutive NBA Finals, without a single Finals MVP. A guy with a history of coming up small, in big games and moments.

Harden, Westbrook, Durant and James all have stronger arguments in this department.

Aside from the fact that Curry did go to 5 consecutive NBA Finals, all of the above is media narrative so I don't know what your point is.

We were told in 2017 that Westbrook and Harden were the ones slugging it out for MVP that year and Curry was having a down year worthy of only being 6th in MVP voting. Anyone with half a brain should have been able to guess the rough contours of what happens next. Durant gets injured and Curry leads the Warriors to another 67-win season and then sets a playoffs plus-minus record.

2019 playoffs comes around Durant gets injured and the media is saying how it is a prime opportunity for Harden and the Rockets to exact revenge. Curry and the Warriors promptly eliminate the Rockets. James meanwhile didn't even make it to the playoffs in the Western Conference.

Did any of that really come as a surprise?

The point is clear, if you read the entire post.

This response however, is a hollow as a reed.
You called Curry “disrespected” by the media, I called bollocks on that claim.

KG Leonard · Post #113 » by **KG Leonard** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:27 pm

Asif16 wrote:Dame at 9 and Mccolum at 13.

You would think they could have at least put some sort of a fight against the Warriors with such a loaded back court.

Essentially, what I'm trying to say is that Dame probably should be 13 while Mccolum shoudl've been way lower

I would never have Dame above 12-13 rank for that reason. 1R heroics beating weak teams like Thunders or beating new top team with Jamal Murray, Jokic is not enough to dispel how he shrank from Warrior series and regular superstar double teaming. I would rank Kyrie in his 9th rank cuz. scoring 40 points in NBA finals, game 7 big shot heroics is more proven than regular season heroes like Dame. He is great but his playoffs history is famous for getting swept....

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KG Leonard · Post #114 » by **KG Leonard** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:29 pm

Lunartic wrote:Not a big Curry fan but he should be above Harden/AD

LeBron should be above Giannis at #2

I agree specially Harden is not third above Curry. He couldn't even battle Curry, Klay without KD.

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WarriorGM · Post #115 » by **WarriorGM** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:33 pm

Greyhound wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
Spare us...

Curry gets treated rather well for a former MVP, who became a second fiddle in his prime. For a guy that has played in 5 consecutive NBA Finals, without a single Finals MVP. A guy with a history of coming up small, in big games and moments.

Harden, Westbrook, Durant and James all have stronger arguments in this department.

Aside from the fact that Curry did go to 5 consecutive NBA Finals, all of the above is media narrative so I don't know what your point is.

We were told in 2017 that Westbrook and Harden were the ones slugging it out for MVP that year and Curry was having a down year worthy of only being 6th in MVP voting. Anyone with half a brain should have been able to guess the rough contours of what happens next. Durant gets injured and Curry leads the Warriors to another 67-win season and then sets a playoffs plus-minus record.

2019 playoffs comes around Durant gets injured and the media is saying how it is a prime opportunity for Harden and the Rockets to exact revenge. Curry and the Warriors promptly eliminate the Rockets. James meanwhile didn't even make it to the playoffs in the Western Conference.

Did any of that really come as a surprise?

The point is clear, if you read the entire post.

This response however, is a hollow as a reed.
You called Curry “disrespected” by the media, I called bollocks on that claim.

Curry is 6th on this list is he not? 6th for a player who has reached the last 5 finals and who could be argued as having just had one of the top 5 5-year stretches in NBA history? That says it all right there.

dabonett · Post #116 » by **dabonett** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:21 pm

If you’ve two top 5 players in your lineup you are either going to win or going to finals.
We will see.

Greyhound · Post #117 » by **Greyhound** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:24 pm

dabonett wrote:If you’ve two top 5 players in your lineup you are either going to win or going to finals.
We will see.

If you are a 48 win playoff team that adds two top 10 players in your lineup you are either winning the Finals or steamrolling the Finals.

Anything else is a fail...
So, we will see.

illuminati666 · Post #118 » by **illuminati666** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:20 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
illuminati666 wrote:Nope no way you can have AD over Curry.

Not a GSW fan but Curry is still in his prime and the 2nd best PG of all time. He's number 3 for me.

1. LBJ (until proven otherwise)
2. Kawhi
3. Curry
4. Harden
5. Giannis
6. AD
and then Jokic - Embiid - Dame - PG13 I agree with

What would constitute proof for you? Like, missing the playoffs kind of proof? Losing in the finals again kind of proof?

I consider last season an anomaly bc of the injury he was supposed to be out months for - and the weak team (proven by performance when lebron was out)
This season will determine whether LBJ rly still is the best player in the league and can still dominate his matchups come playoff time

freethedevil · Post #119 » by **freethedevil** » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:57 pm

KG Leonard wrote:
Lunartic wrote:Not a big Curry fan but he should be above Harden/AD

LeBron should be above Giannis at #2
I agree specially Harden is not third above Curry. He couldn't even battle Curry, Klay without KD.

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how do people even argue this.

Giannis was better in the regular season than lebron. Then he nearly won a chip while lebron missed the playoffs.

Giannis is better. Lebron can prove otherwise next season.

Lunartic · Post #120 » by **Lunartic** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:46 pm

freethedevil wrote:
KG Leonard wrote:
Lunartic wrote:Not a big Curry fan but he should be above Harden/AD

LeBron should be above Giannis at #2
I agree specially Harden is not third above Curry. He couldn't even battle Curry, Klay without KD.

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how do people even argue this.

Giannis was better in the regular season than lebron. Then he nearly won a chip while lebron missed the playoffs.

Giannis is better. Lebron can prove otherwise next season.

Lebron has proven he's the best player in the game repeatedly, he's been involved in almost every NBA final since 2010. He is notorious for coasting in the RS yet still puts up massive numbers. Lebron on the Bucks would have put up a better fight than Giannis did.

I'm not a Bron fan at all but he's still at the top of the pyramid until he's actually dethroned. Leonard has a good shot at doing that this season considering their teams are neighbors and pretty evenly matched as far as talent.