NBA games postponed today p14 Players decide to resume Playoffs

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[wonderboy2]

It’s funny on this board. I love white people but I don’t think some people will ever understand the problems blacks have to face when it comes to dealing with the police unless you are close to the situation. The problem on these boards is that people look at stats to much not knowing that everything thing the police do are not documented especially in poor inner city communities. To tell you the truth most of all my black friends I know have been either roughed up by the police or had a gun stuck in their face. Absolutely none of my friends have a criminal record and all of them are professionals. Hell most of them don’t even drink or smoke. I’ve seen some white people say they are tired of all of the protesting, well that’s to bad because black people have been tired of being the target to racist, scared cops.

[ozbull]

Only in the USA could police consistently shooting unarmed black people, all around the nation, become a political issue and not a policing issue that inspires an immediate and drastic overhaul of your pathetic system.

What are people desperate for change, desperate for their loved ones to be safe and treated equally, supposed to do? How long are they supposed to wait and live in fear? How many times should they ask nicely?

[othawhitemeat]

I commend the players for standing up and putting money where their wallet is. I just hope they stick with it when things get tough. I just hope this brings awareness but hope this brings reform and not destruction.

I will say in terms of NBA and ratings they are down 20%. I hope when NBA comes back there will be a better quality product then trying to injure players and still being a divide.

Keep up the fight. Maybe they will gain some new fans or lose them as long as they are aware of that.

The problem is that no one in this league wants to address the far more severe atrocities in China, one of their largest financiers. There is a blatant consistency problem within the league.

I definitely understand the consistency part. Part of China with NBA is an issue due to business relations but is some of that US responsibility? However, at least this is an internal concern that many face. However, if it is their pay impacted, NBAs choice. If it makes a positive change , good deal. They may lose fans but that is their choice.

[Mbrahv0528]

That's what happening with Cops ( Mods of the real world) and people of color.

Strongly disagree.

The facts that have been released thus far about the Blake incident don't fit an injustice narrative.

Except that's 100% wrong. Unless you're getting your facts from right wing media sources.

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[HomoSapien]

We've seen this story a thousand times. Enough's enough.

There are some really severe problems with your view:
1: Many people are advocating for guilty until proven innocent
2: People are unwilling to participate in even reasonable discourse and calling people racist who attempt reasonable discourse
3: People are using these incidents as excuses to commit massive amounts of crime against further innocents

1. Many people? I was quoting a specific person who made it clear that he essentially is of the mindset that athletes need to shut up and dribble and that exercising civil disobedience is pointless.

2. I would love for someone to explain how you could watch that video and come away with the conclusion that shooting Jacob Blake in the back seven times was the only way to stop him from slowly walking to his car.

3. What does number three have to do with supporting NBA players participating in a peaceful boycott?

I would not be surprised to see a strong backlash coming on the movement. I would count myself as generally extremely liberal, and the above things really bother me. There are aspects of this movement that have become a witch hunt. Facts are thrown out the window. Due process is thrown out the window. Crime is actively encouraged by some movement leaders. The many good police are punished for the actions of a few. Anyone who points out anything contrary to the movement is immediately branded a racist regardless of whether their thoughts are accurate and relevant.

With all due respect, I couldn't give you a bigger eye roll if I tried. Of all the things to find an issue with, if this is what you felt compelled to post was problematic (and not the police brutality aspect... at least not enough to write about it, but to write about a so-called witch hunt) then frankly I don't think you should describe yourself as extremely liberal. As Chris Rock said, some jobs can't have bad apples. The police unions aren't doing enough to stamp out systematic racism out of their own police forces and real change doesn't seem to be happening without athletes, celebrities, and protestors putting unprecedented amounts of pressure on politicians and lawmakers.

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[dougthonus]

If we cant agree on what the beginning and the ending point of systemic oppression is...then we will be in an endless argument.

We never discussed this. Neither of us said where we said the beginning was, so how do you know we don't agree?

I see it plain as daylight.

Well as long as you see it, then it is fact. If someone else sees it differently they are automatically wrong. Oh wait, if everyone acted that way, then that would be a paradox wouldn't it? That's why discourse exists, because when people state things that are often wrong they can learn from other peoples view and perspective.

Cops have always been hotheaded and acted above the law.

What if I started my response with "Indian people have always been <insert negative stereotype here>? Glad you are willing to discriminate widely against a massive group of people based on the actions of a minority, but that seems like a very ironic stance to take while arguing for equal rights of people.

Is there a system problem with police treatment of minorities (in particular black minorites?). I would there probably is, but if you actually look at the studies done on the topic (by a black harvard professor) then it really isn't nearly so clear as you think. The causes and outcomes aren't as clear as people make them out to be, and we'll struggle to get real information, because people don't want real information. They want a witch hunt right now.

Its only now that the slaves have representation that they are being called out. And its starting to piss them off.

Completely untrue.

1: There are no slaves. Stating things which are complete lies removes any credibility from these statements.
2: The civil rights movement has likely been going on since before the slaves were freed (with the first step being to free them). Things have gotten gradually better from a rights perspective since then. Does it mean our work is done? No, obviously not. However, this isn't some new thing that people just noticed and for the first time ever someone is trying to improve the situation of African Americans.
3: I'm not black and can't understand how real the issue of systemic power abuse by the police is. However, from a million feet out, I can't imagine that it is remotely comparable to the massive economic and power imbalance that African Americans have and think that's actually a much more important issue. I would think the standard of living among African Americans was the same as whites on a percentile basis across the board that a ton of these issues would disappear nearly immediately and that we're fighting the wrong battle.

[wonderboy2]

In to the person saying that the reason why the police might have been jumpy is because of the history of the person, that’s a terrible excuse. If you jumpy you shouldn’t be a Police officers in the first place. That’s like a Fireman that signed up to be a firefighter but is scared to go fight fires. Police know exactly what they signed up for. And if 4-5 cops can’t successfully take down an 150lb guy that is walking away from them without shooting him 7 times in the back that’s a problem. The problem is some of these Officers don’t live in the community they are working in are scared **** of black people. Believe me I know, I worked with a lot of cops in the past.

[MrSparkle]

Well, I respect a player’s choice to not finish out this season - There is a systematic problem and reason for this. But I do genuinely ask, does not playing at all make the NBA’s players’ powerful voices more heard or more silent? IMO as a listener, the latter.

[HomoSapien]

Well, I respect a player’s choice to not finish out this season. But I do genuinely ask, does not playing at all make the NBA’s players’ powerful voices more heard or more silent? IMO as a listener, the latter.

The boycott is unquestionably getting more notice than any soundbite anyone in the league has already given.

[MrSparkle]

Well, I respect a player’s choice to not finish out this season. But I do genuinely ask, does not playing at all make the NBA’s players’ powerful voices more heard or more silent? IMO as a listener, the latter.

The boycott is unquestionably getting more notice than any soundbite anyone in the league has already given.

This week it is. I’m for it.

How about canning the season though?

I will say, it is a powerful message - to the guilty cops, you 4 canceled sports, not the pandemic.

[League Circles]

Because his threats are not relevant to well trained cops.

Training kicks in.

Training tells them to instantly get him immobilized. Not somehow walk 6 to 7 steps and then reach behind him and shoot him.

That makes no sense. The only explanation is that it was piss poor policing.

And that's assuming the worst on Blake - that he threatened to kill them AND was reaching for the means to do it.

Even in the most charitable explanation to the cops, it's their poor policing that lead to Blake being shot.

That's a cops job. To be trained in procedure.

Are you kidding me???????

so police officers should just not believe imminent death threats by people that they have absolutely every reason to believe are willing to back it up?

it is my understanding the cops are trained not to try to wrestle people like that to the ground because their guns very well may be taken away from them and used against them. It has definitely happened.

What if he was threatening to kill his own children? Should they have just kept firing tasers and kept trying to wrestle him then? Should school shooters just be "assessed" and detained?

It actually doesn't matter whether he was reaching for a gun. What mostly matters is what, if anything, was said.

I'm certainly not assuming anything. I'm realizing that there are multiple very different plausible alternatives that I can't exclude based on the very limited evidence available.

Whata about cops driving past a guy in civil clothes with a gun as tall as him?

And not arresting him until 24 hours later?

What do you mean what about it? What about it? What about that separate incident, whatever it is you're referring to?

You continue to evade the important, difficult, pertinent question I'm posing.

[Mbrahv0528]

Well, I respect a player’s choice to not finish out this season - There is a systematic problem and reason for this. But I do genuinely ask, does not playing at all make the NBA’s players’ powerful voices more heard or more silent? IMO as a listener, the latter.

It's most definitely the former.

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[HomoSapien]

Well, I respect a player’s choice to not finish out this season. But I do genuinely ask, does not playing at all make the NBA’s players’ powerful voices more heard or more silent? IMO as a listener, the latter.

The boycott is unquestionably getting more notice than any soundbite anyone in the league has already given.

This week it is. I’m for it.

How about canning the season though?

That's a good question. I'm not sure.

My gut feeling is that they will return to playing in a few days, especially if the demands the Bucks made are met (which I believe they will be). If the season were canceled, then the owners would feel it. Perhaps there'd be pressure on these billionaires to get in the ears of their local lawmakers about police reform... but that said, you're right if the season were to end then their voices will get weaker as time goes on, especially if other sports continue.

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[musiqsoulchild]

Are you kidding me???????

so police officers should just not believe imminent death threats by people that they have absolutely every reason to believe are willing to back it up?

it is my understanding the cops are trained not to try to wrestle people like that to the ground because their guns very well may be taken away from them and used against them. It has definitely happened.

What if he was threatening to kill his own children? Should they have just kept firing tasers and kept trying to wrestle him then? Should school shooters just be "assessed" and detained?

It actually doesn't matter whether he was reaching for a gun. What mostly matters is what, if anything, was said.

I'm certainly not assuming anything. I'm realizing that there are multiple very different plausible alternatives that I can't exclude based on the very limited evidence available.

Whata about cops driving past a guy in civil clothes with a gun as tall as him?

And not arresting him until 24 hours later?

What do you mean what about it? What about it? What about that separate incident, whatever it is you're referring to?

You continue to evade the important, difficult, pertinent question I'm posing.

I am not seeing your question. How can I evade it if I dont see it?

I see rhetoric.

[atut55]

It’s funny on this board. I love white people but I don’t think some people will ever understand the problems blacks have to face when it comes to dealing with the police unless you are close to the situation. The problem on these boards is that people look at stats to much not knowing that everything thing the police do are not documented especially in poor inner city communities. To tell you the truth most of all my black friends I know have been either roughed up by the police or had a gun stuck in their face. Absolutely none of my friends have a criminal record and all of them are professionals. Hell most of them don’t even drink or smoke. I’ve seen some white people say they are tired of all of the protesting, well that’s to bad because black people have been tired of being the target to racist, scared cops.

It’s this kind of rhetoric that has no place in the conversation. “White people don’t get it” is a lazy and unfounded comment.

[wonderboy2]

Also Kenny Smith, Shaw, Barkley was all right. Black parents have to constantly give their kids the talk on what to do with the cops when they are pulled over. I can give you a story. One time I was with about 6 of my black friends in the car. We were all dressed nice. The police stops us and ask me for my License and registration since I was the one driving. I had my License in my wallet but couldn’t locate my registration. It was cold so the police told me to hold the registration out the window when I’ve found it. He went back to his car. So one of my friends found my Registration under my seat. I reached my arm back to grab it from him so I can hold it out the window. All I know is 2 cops come on each side of my car yelling “PUT THE WEAPON DOWN”!! When they realized it was the registration they just said that’s how you guys being getting shot for doing “stupid **** like that.” All we did was what they told us to do and look for the registration. Now if it was a car full of White women do you think the police would’ve acted that way? Most police assume that any young black/dark guy is a threat.

[League Circles]

2. I would love for someone to explain how you could watch that video and come away with the conclusion that shooting Jacob Blake in the back seven times was the only way to stop him from slowly walking to his car.

Easy. First of all they didn't need to stop him from slowly walking to his car and in fact did not do so. They stopped him from reaching into his car. We have no idea if they had a valid reason to use lethal force or not because we don't have very much evidence. if he was threatening to kill people whether it was his own children or the police officers or some of the people around who included a woman who called the police on him who was quite possibly a woman that he was wanted for felony sexual assault and domestic abuse of, then it appears what transpired in that scenario was that they gave him until the absolute last possible second. They physically struggled with him on the other side of the vehicle they tried to tase him they pointed their guns at him and told him to stop he didn't stop he reached into the car and at the very last moment they use lethal Force to stop him. The reason they don't just run and tackle him is because that's almost certainly against training as it is just a very stupid. You do not get on the ground with your gun with a violent person who very well may take it away from you and use it on you. That person gives up their rights when they evade arrest which he was doing for an absolute fact. now of course there is the equally plausible scenario where he just said something along the lines of man you guys have no reason to stop me I'm getting out of here. If he said something like that then it appears the shooting was very much unjustified. we don't know and that's just a simple matter of fact. If you think it's important to round up or round down instead of waiting until we know more that's your prerogative. But it's just logically false to pretend like we know what happened.

[wonderboy2]

It’s funny on this board. I love white people but I don’t think some people will ever understand the problems blacks have to face when it comes to dealing with the police unless you are close to the situation. The problem on these boards is that people look at stats to much not knowing that everything thing the police do are not documented especially in poor inner city communities. To tell you the truth most of all my black friends I know have been either roughed up by the police or had a gun stuck in their face. Absolutely none of my friends have a criminal record and all of them are professionals. Hell most of them don’t even drink or smoke. I’ve seen some white people say they are tired of all of the protesting, well that’s to bad because black people have been tired of being the target to racist, scared cops.

It’s this kind of rhetoric that has no place in the conversation. “White people don’t get it” is a lazy and unfounded comment.

Nope read what I just wrote. I said SOME don’t get it. Some actually do get it because they have black friends or have lived in areas where there are a lot of black people. My coworker is white and she understands because she is married to a black man and have seen it first hand.