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Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:41 am
by EArl
Best2EverDoIt wrote:He's going to sign a supermax with the Bucks. I find it funny how many people just assume he'll hit free agency. He's from Greece and he has a very large family, plus the Bucks have proven they can put a winning team around him. He's taking the money.
No they haven't. If they had we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:47 am
by Da ThRONe
Raps in 4 wrote:xdrta+ wrote:Da ThRONe wrote:
Franchise tags are awful. Just do away with max contracts and bring in a hard salary caps and the problem is solved. But owners don't want that especially the ones in the major markets.
Max contracts aren't a problem. Why would you do away with them?
If you get rid of max contracts, superstar salaries go way up, and teams can't afford more than one then.
Plus C+ players don't command max money simply because they are a teams best player. Now they'll likely have to be paid more like their contemporaries.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:44 am
by xdrta+
Raps in 4 wrote:xdrta+ wrote:Da ThRONe wrote:
Franchise tags are awful. Just do away with max contracts and bring in a hard salary caps and the problem is solved. But owners don't want that especially the ones in the major markets.
Max contracts aren't a problem. Why would you do away with them?
If you get rid of max contracts, superstar salaries go way up, and teams can't afford more than one then.
And everyone else's salaries go down. That's a good thing?
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:54 am
by QMaster
Lakers trade for Giannis with Green, Kuzma, McGee, filler and a couple of future firsts then Bucks get something instead of losing him for nothing. Kuzma and the 1sts help the rebuild
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Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:14 am
by User_friendly
Raps in 4 wrote:Cavsfansince84 wrote:I won't even hate if he goes to Dallas. It will be interesting to see how he and Luka would coexist tbh.
I like both Luka and Giannis, but I'd lose all respect for both if they teamed up (like I did for Lebron and KD). Super teams ruin the NBA for fans of the other 29 teams.
Sorry, but what would Luka in particular have to do to keep your respect?. (Just in case he was interested
). Leave Dallas when Giannis arrived?
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:18 am
by User_friendly
I think with all the fuss made about Giannis struggling in Playoffs, he might very well be tempted to go to Dallas next year.
Because I'm sure, with Luka, he could do quite well in next postseason, regardless of being the EXACT same player that was denostated a couple of months ago.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:39 pm
by Da ThRONe
xdrta+ wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:xdrta+ wrote:
Max contracts aren't a problem. Why would you do away with them?
If you get rid of max contracts, superstar salaries go way up, and teams can't afford more than one then.
And everyone else's salaries go down. That's a good thing?
Yes if you want competitive balance. You can increase the league min to ensure guys are getting scraps. It would prevent someone like Mike Conley from becoming the highest paid player. Which is essentially bad for everyone not named Mike Conley. It ruins the Grizzlies chances of competing when such a large portion of the teams cap is going to a non top 20 player. But currently with max contracts if you're a franchise like Memphis at the time what do you do? Do you let the team best player walk or do you pay him and ruin any chance of being more than a treadmill team.
You get rid of max contracts now Mike Conley and his agent can't just demand the max. They have to find players that is on Mike Conley's level as their comp. Mike Conley can't ask Memphis for Steph Curry or Chris Paul money when his production isn't on that level. Conley will still be compensated for his production and importance to the franchise, but he'll never be the highest paid player because the cream of the crop will already be taking up the majority of the leagues cap space as they should.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:34 pm
by celticfan42487
NoZoLakers wrote:celticfan42487 wrote:Heej wrote:This x1000, just do better. Why should we ruin players' legacies just to buoy incompetent front offices and coaching staffs.
Because franchises that aren't in massive nightlife cities like OKC or MEM shouldn't be forced to lose an MVP player and never compete for a title due to things like having snowfall during winter when they pay the exact same amount of money as other franchises to their stars.
This will also help build loyalty among fans who know they have a "guy" they can root for and not just 1 good rookie year and 7 years of being ignored by the media beyond a daily article fo "when the **** is he going to leave that city?" for coverage as every media outlet begs them to do so they can go back to just living in LA and only covering LA.
players have every right to leave just like gms have every right to trade any player they see fit at the drop of a dime
Just like franchise have every right to put a non compete clause in contracts. It's not an unheard of option that the NBA needs to demand is in it for the next CBA or you'll continue to see ratings fall.
You're **** on 85% of your teams every single year with this system. Champions this new way can be homegrown instead of just "lol let's goto South Beach or LOL I'm just going to join the WCF team that eliminated me because I'm a snake. Hope no one was invested in competition in this league or isn't a fan of a team that not one of the 3-5 big ones!"
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:45 pm
by matt6715
Luka-Giannis-KP big 3...
dont get your hopes up
dont get your hopes up
dont get your hopes up
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:47 pm
by matt6715
Magic Is Magic wrote:Giannis on Dallas would be interesting. I wonder how he would play with another ball dominator. Giannis isn't a great shooter so I wonder how effective he would be without the ball in his hands since it is probably safe to say that Luka would be the primary ball handler in Dallas.
Giannis as the roll man with Luka handling the ball and KP spacing out to 30 feet.... It would be incredible. Plus, Giannis would be an insane 1B to Luka's 1A and a secondary playmaker
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:04 pm
by Ben-N1ce
Why would Giannis want to play with someone who can close games Pass and generate easy buckets. Doesn't seem logical.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:40 pm
by ATRAIN53
Perfect fit for him if it happens, it should be his ideal destination.
Luka is a complete ALPHA, that is 100% his team and he is the guy who takes the final shot.
Giannas is not an ALPHA. He wants to pass the ball on the final play.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:58 pm
by Texas Chuck
Ben-N1ce wrote:Why would Giannis want to play with someone who can close games Pass and generate easy buckets. Doesn't seem logical.
tbf, Luka wasn't great at closing out games this past season. Dallas was the worst clutch team in the league and obviously that has to fall largely on Luka. That said, I think that's mostly noise because as a rookie he was one of the best clutch players in the league.
But if Giannis is okay playing more off-ball, playing with Luka is as good as it gets for him. And when Luka's out of the game Giannis surrounded by more consistent shooting threats in Carlisle's elite offensive system would be even more unstoppable.
Obviously as a Mavs fan I'd love Giannis in Dallas, but as an NBA fan I really do hope the Bucks address their shooting/upgrade Bledsoe and keep him long-term. I hate teams like the Bucks just being feeders for the LA's and Miami's of the world. That sucks.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:58 pm
by R-DAWG
Guys - he's going to the Knicks it' a done deal.
Durant to the Nets was a hoax. Lebron to the Heat. Fake news.
Giannis to the Knicks creating a super team the likes of which the NBA has ever seen.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:08 pm
by Brofessor24
That would be great.
Not sure why some folks are bitching ITT.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:10 pm
by Brofessor24
Raps in 4 wrote:Leslie Forman wrote:celticfan42487 wrote:We need Franchise Tags in the NBA like they have in the NFL full stop.
They already have something better than the franchise tag, they get to go over the cap and match any offer after a rookie deal so they get a guaranteed minimum
8 years out of anybody they draft.
If you just want free agency to be banned like it's 1945, go ahead and say it. But the franchise tag ain't sh*t compared to what control NBA teams have over rookies coming off their first contract.
There just needs to be a way to stop teams from hoarding superstars. Players can go wherever they want. They just won't be able to ruin the competitive balance of the league with their choice.
The competitive balance is better now than it was during the 1990s.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:10 pm
by GreatWhiteStiff
Raps in 4 wrote:My sources say it's still Toronto.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:16 pm
by Brofessor24
Swish1906 wrote:NoZoLakers wrote:this guy will get any team in front of the line for Greek....and sorry Dall you shouldnt have waived him if Greek was in your plans, he apparently didnt like how the knicks did Thansis dirty
Yeah the most clownish tampering move of all time, but it matches LeTamper and the Lakers.
Dude is a waste of a two way contract and has no Future in the league. Everyone knows it, probably even he himself.
Couldnt get any foot in the rotation on a lottery Mavs Team and after getting waived the Lakers jump all over him. Of course just because of his name and getting a backdoor to Giannis.
Regarding the Mavs. Kostas saw Lukas rookie year, Dirks farewell tour (often with a huge smile on the Bench) and he experienced the Mavs locker room...thats enough to tell Giannis. Keeping him two more years just because of tampering would be a joke. And of course Giannis could just demand to sign him to a min contract and it would be no problem for the Mavs
Why you getting so worked up over a guy who is on a two way contract?
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:17 pm
by Brofessor24
AlexanderRight wrote:NBA 2K would become unplayable if Giannis, Porzingis, and Luka were all on the same squad. Not trynna see this go down. Stay In Milwaukee Giannis. Be a real one.
Staying with one team doesn't mean that you are a "real one" IMO.
Re: Windhorst: Mavs will be at "the front of the line" to land Giannis in free agency
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:19 pm
by Brofessor24
Raps in 4 wrote:Cavsfansince84 wrote:I won't even hate if he goes to Dallas. It will be interesting to see how he and Luka would coexist tbh.
I like both Luka and Giannis, but I'd lose all respect for both if they teamed up (like I did for Lebron and KD). Super teams ruin the NBA for fans of the other 29 teams.
I personally love superteams, and I would respect Luka and Giannis even more if they teamed up.