Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Mamba4Goat]

If Phoenix drafts a nice guard I wonder how plausible Layman and a 2nd or so for a Jevon Carter S+T is.

[SmokeyPaw]

If Phoenix drafts a nice guard I wonder how plausible Layman and a 2nd or so for a Jevon Carter S+T is.

Think we need forwards more than a guard.

[Dewey]

If Phoenix drafts a nice guard I wonder how plausible Layman and a 2nd or so for a Jevon Carter S+T is.

I would not do this even if the 2nd was coming back to "us"...

[UnFadeable21]

Would Wolves Fans do #1, James Johnson, Omari Spellman to the Orlando Magic for #15, Aaron Gordon, and a 2021 1st round pick

[Baseline81]

Would Wolves Fans do #1, James Johnson, Omari Spellman to the Orlando Magic for #15, Aaron Gordon, and a 2021 1st round pick

No, I think that is too much of a move down for possibly a pick outside the lottery next year.

To me, Gordon's worth to the Wolves is the Brooklyn pick and Johnson.

[UnFadeable21]

Would Wolves Fans do #1, James Johnson, Omari Spellman to the Orlando Magic for #15, Aaron Gordon, and a 2021 1st round pick

No, I think that is too much of a move down for possibly a pick outside the lottery next year.

To me, Gordon's worth to the Wolves is the Brooklyn pick and Johnson.

Wolves have their two main guys in Kat & DLo, same as Denver with Jokic and Murray. Now we need to surround them with elite role players to compliment their games.

Gordon avg 14-8-4 and is pretty close to a elite defender. He would be our Jerami Grant who would guard the best opposing player every night.

Wolves would still than have pick 15 and 17. Could go Maxey at 15 for more offense and then maybe Sadiq Bey at 17 for 3&D.

33 go Cassius Winston or Tre Jones. Still got the 2021 Magic pick since Wolves lost theirs to Golden State.

[Baseline81]

Wolves have their two main guys in Kat & DLo, same as Denver with Jokic and Murray. Now we need to surround them with elite role players to compliment their games.

Gordon avg 14-8-4 and is pretty close to a elite defender. He would be our Jerami Grant who would guard the best opposing player every night.

Wolves would still than have pick 15 and 17. Could go Maxey at 15 for more offense and then maybe Sadiq Bey at 17 for 3&D.

33 go Cassius Winston or Tre Jones. Still got the 2021 Magic pick since Wolves lost theirs to Golden State.

Again, because of how far back the Wolves drop, there's no guarantee any of the prospects Minnesota is interested in are available. More or less outside the top-10, there's too much noise. What if you are left with the likes of Achiuwa, Pokusevski and Smith? You've just traded for a PF in Gordon.

By giving the Magic the first overall pick, you may have just locked them into making the playoffs, leaving the 2021 first round pick outside the lottery.

[VCfor3]

I wonder how high of a pick you could get for 15+17. Would NYK move 8 in order to use one of those picks for CP3 or Oladipo and still have a pick in this draft to target a PG?

[UnFadeable21]

Wolves have their two main guys in Kat & DLo, same as Denver with Jokic and Murray. Now we need to surround them with elite role players to compliment their games.

Gordon avg 14-8-4 and is pretty close to a elite defender. He would be our Jerami Grant who would guard the best opposing player every night.

Wolves would still than have pick 15 and 17. Could go Maxey at 15 for more offense and then maybe Sadiq Bey at 17 for 3&D.

33 go Cassius Winston or Tre Jones. Still got the 2021 Magic pick since Wolves lost theirs to Golden State.

Again, because of how far back the Wolves drop, there's no guarantee any of the prospects Minnesota is interested in are available. More or less outside the top-10, there's too much noise. What if you are left with the likes of Achiuwa, Pokusevski and Smith? You've just traded for a PF in Gordon.

By giving the Magic the first overall pick, you may have just locked them into making the playoffs, leaving the 2021 first round pick outside the lottery.

I would take Daniel Otaru at 15. Go point guard at 17.

[shrink]

Would Wolves Fans do #1, James Johnson, Omari Spellman to the Orlando Magic for #15, Aaron Gordon, and a 2021 1st round pick

No, I think that is too much of a move down for possibly a pick outside the lottery next year.

To me, Gordon's worth to the Wolves is the Brooklyn pick and Johnson.

Wolves have their two main guys in Kat & DLo, same as Denver with Jokic and Murray. Now we need to surround them with elite role players to compliment their games.

Gordon avg 14-8-4 and is pretty close to a elite defender. He would be our Jerami Grant who would guard the best opposing player every night.

I think Gordon is just a good defender - he’s never made first or second team All Defense. His 14 PPG was not efficient. It took a late season push to get his three point percentage got out of the 20’s. That is a cardinal sin, because if your PF isn’t a credible threat from three, it let’s opposing teams keep a big on the floor, and minimizes our biggest mismatch - Towns great three point shooting. Gordon also has question marks about his commitment to basketball.

The best asset in this package would be an UNPROTECTED Magic 1st. Still, I’d rather roll the dice on having the first pick, and try to find a star. No telling where the ORL pick ends up, and that’s the only piece of the package that has any star potential.

I would also add that, whether we do this trade or not, we do not have the room on our 15 man roster to add three rookies. Expect some to be traded.

[IceManBK1]

how about this...3 team trade b/w t-wolves, hornets, and pacers...
#1 and filler to Hornets
Miles Bridges and Myles Turner to Timberwolves
#3 and James Johnson to Pacers
Sign Joe Harris or KCP with the MLE

Dlo
Harris or KCP
Bridges
Turner
Towns

All 5 guys can shoot 3s..defense from 2-4 spots to surround dlo and towns. Good blend of young talent and veterans.

[UnFadeable21]

No, I think that is too much of a move down for possibly a pick outside the lottery next year.

To me, Gordon's worth to the Wolves is the Brooklyn pick and Johnson.

Wolves have their two main guys in Kat & DLo, same as Denver with Jokic and Murray. Now we need to surround them with elite role players to compliment their games.

Gordon avg 14-8-4 and is pretty close to a elite defender. He would be our Jerami Grant who would guard the best opposing player every night.

I think Gordon is just a good defender - he’s never made first or second team All Defense. His 14 PPG was not efficient. It took a late season push to get his three point percentage got out of the 20’s. That is a cardinal sin, because if your PF isn’t a credible threat from three, it let’s opposing teams keep a big on the floor, and minimizes our biggest mismatch - Towns great three point shooting. Gordon also has question marks about his commitment to basketball.

The best asset in this package would be an UNPROTECTED Magic 1st. Still, I’d rather roll the dice on having the first pick, and try to find a star. No telling where the ORL pick ends up, and that’s the only piece of the package that has any star potential.

I would also add that, whether we do this trade or not, we do not have the room on our 15 man roster to add three rookies. Expect some to be traded.

Package 15 and 17 and for the Knicks at 8 to get back in the top 10

[breatnach]

I know trades get increasingly unrealistic as you add more teams to it, but I wonder if we could pull off a 4-teamer with Philly, OKC and Detroit.

There is lots of need for fine-tuning and improving, but I wonder if the core idea of this trade has any merit.

MIN in: Simmons
MIN out: #1, Johnson

PHI in: CP3, Johnson
PHI out: Simmons, Harris, OKC 1st

OKC in: Blake, OKC 1st (from PHI)
OKC out: CP3

DET in: Harris, #1
DET out: Blake

As I said, lots of space for fine-tuning, but on a high-level the motivation for each team is:

MIN: Get Simmons, duh
PHI: Add CP3 to get over the hump, get rid of horrendous Harris contract
DET: Take on some additional salary in exchange for high draft picks
OKC: Trade CP3 for home-kid Blake (contracts are a wash), gain more assets in the process

I think PHI simultaneously improves on the court while getting out of a horrible contract, so maybe they need to add some value for DET to buy in. OKC would probably do CP3 a solid sending him to a contender and if they have to take back dead salary, it might as well be for Blake, who will at least sell some tickets.

https://imgur.com/tgA4bW5

[Mamba4Goat]

I know trades get increasingly unrealistic as you add more teams to it, but I wonder if we could pull off a 4-teamer with Philly, OKC and Detroit.

There is lots of need for fine-tuning, but I wonder if the core of the trade has any merit. I had lots of smaller pieces (cap fillers, 2nd rounders, FFRPs) to make the trade machine accept it, but for the sake of a better discussion, I wanted to keep it simple.

MIN in: Simmons
MIN out: #1, Johnson

PHI in: CP3, Johnson
PHI out: Simmons, Harris, OKC 1st

OKC in: Blake, OKC 1st (from PHI)
OKC out: CP3

DET in: Harris, #1
DET out: Blake

As I said, lots of space for fine-tuning, but on a high-level the motivation for each team is:

MIN: Get Simmons, duh
PHI: Add CP3 to get over the hump, get rid of horrendous Harris contract
DET: Take on some additional salary in exchange for high draft picks
OKC: Trade CP3 for home-kid Blake (contracts are a wash), gain more assets in the process

I think PHI simultaneously improves on the court while getting out of a horrible contract, so maybe they need to add some value for DET to buy in. OKC would probably do CP3 a solid sending him to a contender and if they have to take back dead salary, it might as well be for Blake, who will at least sell some tickets.

Blake Griffin is a high injury risk player that isn’t a superstar anymore. Detroit probably gets cut out of the deal with Philly taking #1 and they still need more. A more balanced deal would be like...

Min in: Simmons
Min out: Johnson, Culver, 1, 17, 2 future 1sts

Philly in: CP3, Culver, OKC filler, 1, future first
Philly our: Simmons, Horford

OKC in: Horford, Johnson, 17, future first
OKC our: CP3, Filler

[Dewey]

I know trades get increasingly unrealistic as you add more teams to it, but I wonder if we could pull off a 4-teamer with Philly, OKC and Detroit.

There is lots of need for fine-tuning, but I wonder if the core of the trade has any merit. I had lots of smaller pieces (cap fillers, 2nd rounders, FFRPs) to make the trade machine accept it, but for the sake of a better discussion, I wanted to keep it simple.

MIN in: Simmons
MIN out: #1, Johnson

PHI in: CP3, Johnson
PHI out: Simmons, Harris, OKC 1st

OKC in: Blake, OKC 1st (from PHI)
OKC out: CP3

DET in: Harris, #1
DET out: Blake

As I said, lots of space for fine-tuning, but on a high-level the motivation for each team is:

MIN: Get Simmons, duh
PHI: Add CP3 to get over the hump, get rid of horrendous Harris contract
DET: Take on some additional salary in exchange for high draft picks
OKC: Trade CP3 for home-kid Blake (contracts are a wash), gain more assets in the process

I think PHI simultaneously improves on the court while getting out of a horrible contract, so maybe they need to add some value for DET to buy in. OKC would probably do CP3 a solid sending him to a contender and if they have to take back dead salary, it might as well be for Blake, who will at least sell some tickets.

Blake Griffin is a high injury risk player that isn’t a superstar anymore. Detroit probably gets cut out of the deal with Philly taking #1 and they still need more. A more balanced deal would be like...

Min in: Simmons
Min out: Johnson, Culver, 1, 17, 2 future 1sts

Philly in: CP3, Culver, OKC filler, 1, future first
Philly our: Simmons, Horford

OKC in: Horford, Johnson, 17, future first
OKC our: CP3, Filler

If Simmons was worth this, they wouldnt be trading him. Easy "No" for me anyway.

I'm far more in-line with the "Simmons <> Johnson + 1st FRP" offer

[Baseline81]

From The Ringer's 2020 NBA Draft Guide:

CHARLOTTE HORNETS
Trade: The Hornets send no. 3 and their unprotected 2022 first-round pick to the Timberwolves for no. 1.
Rumblings around the league suggest Golden State and Charlotte covet Wiseman; to get him, the Hornets might need to leapfrog to trade up. The pieces exchanged here resemble the Celtics-Sixers deal in 2017 involving Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum, but hopefully it'll work out better for Charlotte than it did for Philly. Wiseman’s athleticism gives him a foundation to be a solid pro, and he has plenty of traits that could lead to stardom.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

[Dewey]

From The Ringer's 2020 NBA Draft Guide:

CHARLOTTE HORNETS
Trade: The Hornets send no. 3 and their unprotected 2022 first-round pick to the Timberwolves for no. 1.
Rumblings around the league suggest Golden State and Charlotte covet Wiseman; to get him, the Hornets might need to leapfrog to trade up. The pieces exchanged here resemble the Celtics-Sixers deal in 2017 involving Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum, but hopefully it'll work out better for Charlotte than it did for Philly. Wiseman’s athleticism gives him a foundation to be a solid pro, and he has plenty of traits that could lead to stardom.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

I saw that and its interesting ... I like clean & simple, but here I gotta have the 2021 unless their 2022 includes key sweetners.

[IceManBK1]

From The Ringer's 2020 NBA Draft Guide:

CHARLOTTE HORNETS
Trade: The Hornets send no. 3 and their unprotected 2022 first-round pick to the Timberwolves for no. 1.
Rumblings around the league suggest Golden State and Charlotte covet Wiseman; to get him, the Hornets might need to leapfrog to trade up. The pieces exchanged here resemble the Celtics-Sixers deal in 2017 involving Markelle Fultz and Jayson Tatum, but hopefully it'll work out better for Charlotte than it did for Philly. Wiseman’s athleticism gives him a foundation to be a solid pro, and he has plenty of traits that could lead to stardom.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

I saw that and its interesting ... I like clean & simple, but here I gotta have the 2021 unless their 2022 includes key sweetners.

either miles bridges or pj washington+#3+2022 unprotected then it's a deal.

[IceManBK1]

https://youtu.be/VXHcAI1iTWo

for those worried about turner's perimeter d..he locks them down. he can get beaten off the dribble by quicker guys. but his recovery ability is amazing. since he's so long and tall and quick. he'll still be able to block/alter the shot.

[Domejandro]

Minnesota would be smoking crack to not accept an unprotected 2022 First Round Draft Pick from Charlotte to trade down from #1 to #3, in my opinion.