Cap space

[DetroitDon15]

Alright. Numbers update.

Under Contract

Blake Griffin $36,810,996
Delon Wright $9,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,682,926
Killian Hayes $5,307,120 (120% draft slot)
Rodney McGruder $5,192,307
Sekou Doumbouya $3,449,400
Zhaire Smith $3,204,600
Isaiah Stewart $3,121,080 (120% draft slot)
Dewayne Dedmon $2,866,667 (dead money)
Saddiq Bey $2,689,920 (120% draft slot)
Dzanan Musa $2,002,800
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk $1,663,861

Pending Deals

Jerami Grant $19,047,619
Mason Plumlee $7,936,508
Josh Jackson ?
Wayne Ellington $2,564,753 (minimum)
Jahlil Okafor $1,882,867 (minimum)

Rights To

Saben Lee
Anthony Lamb
Deividas Sirvydis
Jaylen Hands
Nikola Radicevic

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Without Grant and Plumlee

Total: $82,991,677
Cap Space: $26,148,323
Luxury Tax Room: $49,635,323

With Grant and Plumlee

Total: $109,975,804
Cap Space: -$835,804
Luxury Tax Room: $22,651,196

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So as you can see Detroit does need some more room to sign both Grant and Plumlee if their deals are what I have listed above. I was wrong last night, my quick mental math failed me. Waiving and stretching Smith would get the team enough cap space to do so. So I guess it comes down to which one the Pistons want more. I don't see a big reason to keep McGruder around with Ellington on the roster as another veteran guard. Here's hoping it's him getting cut if a trade or ten aren't made.

Also - technically Delon Wright isn't on the books yet. Trevor Ariza still is. That trade hasn't been made official yet. So the Pistons have $3.8 million less in cap space since Ariza counted for $12.8 million. One of Plumlee or Grant definitely hasn't been signed yet so the numbers above could change.

I don’t understand the Ellington signing with the guards that they currently have. If rather have SVI and Smith get the two guard minutes and rotate Wright and others at the two as well.

[bstein14]

Interesting thing here, is Detroit plans on going into a youth movement and then making a big FA splash in 2 to 3 years from now. They are looking at either the summer Blake's deal is off the books or the following summer when Grant is off the books as their big FA spending summer.

This makes a ton of sense because they will have all of this years draft picks still on rookie deals, so if all three of them turn into solid rotation players we will have them on their last year of bargain prices and potentially more guys on rookie contracts with really only Grant and Plumlee on deals two years from now when Blake expires.

I would say its a safe bet that our GM sees us making a big jump forward with a large amount of money to spend to add to these rookies which is probably why he sold that future draft pick with the hope that we're lottery. lottery and then a big jump up the standings after adding some high $ FAs two summers from now.

[440BB]

It sure is looking like McGruder is the odd man out but I expect another deal or more before the roster is done.

[DetroitDon15]

It sure is looking like McGruder is the odd man out but I expect another deal or more before the roster is done.

I’d rather roll with him over Wayne but it is all good I suppose.

[Pharaoh]

Imagine adding 1 of:

Cunningham
Green
Boston
Suggs

To Hayes in the backcourt with Grant, Sekou, Bey, Stewart up front...

Young af but loads of potential

[MotownMadness]

Imagine adding 1 of:

Cunningham
Green
Boston
Suggs

To Hayes in the backcourt with Grant, Sekou, Bey, Stewart up front...

Young af but loads of potential

I really want Cade but think Green would make a solid backcourt with Hayes. Hayes and Cade are both a bit slower and it would be nice to get a athletic freak. Boston looks awesome as well though.

Gonna be a great draft, just make sure we get a top 5 pick.

[Manocad]

Interesting thing here, is Detroit plans on going into a youth movement and then making a big FA splash in 2 to 3 years from now. They are looking at either the summer Blake's deal is off the books or the following summer when Grant is off the books as their big FA spending summer.

This makes a ton of sense because they will have all of this years draft picks still on rookie deals, so if all three of them turn into solid rotation players we will have them on their last year of bargain prices and potentially more guys on rookie contracts with really only Grant and Plumlee on deals two years from now when Blake expires.

I would say its a safe bet that our GM sees us making a big jump forward with a large amount of money to spend to add to these rookies which is probably why he sold that future draft pick with the hope that we're lottery. lottery and then a big jump up the standings after adding some high $ FAs two summers from now.

Exactly. I'm a big fan of the game but admittedly not in any way, shape or form a numbers, contract, or overall NBA (i.e. highly knowledgeable about a lot of players not wearing a Pistons jersey) guy so Weaver's moves outside of the draft were all a mystery to me. Hearing Rod Beard explain it was definitely an "Ok, NOW it all makes sense" moment for me.

[mattao313]

Imagine adding 1 of:

Cunningham
Green
Boston
Suggs

To Hayes in the backcourt with Grant, Sekou, Bey, Stewart up front...

Young af but loads of potential

I really want Cade but think Green would make a solid backcourt with Hayes. Hayes and Cade are both a bit slower and it would be nice to get a athletic freak. Boston looks awesome as well though.

Gonna be a great draft, just make sure we get a top 5 pick.

I was thinking the same Cade doesn't look that athletic almost below the rim type Green would give us a freak athlete we dont have. Both of them are good tho.

[coordinator0]

So now with Grant's official numbers and all recent trades completed:

Under Contract

Blake Griffin $36,810,996
Jerami Grant $19,050,000
Delon Wright $9,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,682,926
Killian Hayes $5,307,120 (120% draft slot)
Rodney McGruder $5,192,307
Sekou Doumbouya $3,449,400
Zhaire Smith $3,204,600
Isaiah Stewart $3,121,080 (120% draft slot)
Dewayne Dedmon $2,866,667 (dead money)
Saddiq Bey $2,689,920 (120% draft slot)
Dzanan Musa $2,002,800
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk $1,663,861

Total: $102,041,677
Cap Space: $7,098,323
Luxury Tax Room: $30,585,323

Pending Deals

Mason Plumlee ?
Josh Jackson ?
Wayne Ellington $2,564,753 (minimum)
Jahlil Okafor $1,882,867 (minimum)

Rights To

Saben Lee
Deividas Sirvydis
Jaylen Hands
Nikola Radicevic

Exhibit 10

Anthony Lamb

[Kilo]

Decision will have to come tomorrow on Zhaire or McGruder stretch as Plumlee can't sign until it's made. And until they sign Plumlee they can't make Ellington or Okafor signings as doing so before they capped out on Plumlee would eat into the 7M cap space.

[coordinator0]

Yup, and like you mentioned in another thread with camp opening soon they will want all their guys in the facility ASAP. This short team training offseason is going to be rough for the rookies. Maybe not for Hayes so much since he's been playing professionally, but Bey and especially Stewart have some big changes coming soon.

[Pharaoh]

So now with Grant's official numbers and all recent trades completed:

Under Contract

Blake Griffin $36,810,996
Jerami Grant $19,050,000
Delon Wright $9,000,000
Derrick Rose $7,682,926
Killian Hayes $5,307,120 (120% draft slot)
Rodney McGruder $5,192,307
Sekou Doumbouya $3,449,400
Zhaire Smith $3,204,600
Isaiah Stewart $3,121,080 (120% draft slot)
Dewayne Dedmon $2,866,667 (dead money)
Saddiq Bey $2,689,920 (120% draft slot)
Dzanan Musa $2,002,800
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk $1,663,861

Total: $102,041,677
Cap Space: $7,098,323
Luxury Tax Room: $30,585,323

Pending Deals

Mason Plumlee ?
Josh Jackson ?
Wayne Ellington $2,564,753 (minimum)
Jahlil Okafor $1,882,867 (minimum)

Rights To

Saben Lee
Deividas Sirvydis
Jaylen Hands
Nikola Radicevic

Exhibit 10

Anthony Lamb

Jackson I believe is the room exception.

Rookies can be signed using the rookie exception too.

So we should have enough money available to make Plumlee official already right

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[coordinator0]

Jackson I believe is the room exception.

Rookies can be signed using the rookie exception too.

So we should have enough money available to make Plumlee official already right

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No, Plumlee's deal is reportedly $25 million over three years. If that holds true and it is structured like most contracts then his first year cap hit should be somewhere just under $8 million.

And while Jackson will most likely be signed using the room exception we don't know if it will be for the full amount or just part of it. For cap purposes this year it doesn't really matter because the team can go over the cap line using the room exception but that number could be anything up to $4,767,000.

For rookies they can be signed using the exception but their cap hit is already on the books. They immediately count for 120% of their slot after being drafted. Doesn't matter either way what happens with them.

[vege]

We will probably stretch Zhaire Smith. We would have 16 guys under contract after Plumlee and Jackson are signed, so we will stretch someone.

[Pharaoh]

Rather stretch McGruder

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[Kilo]

Strange to me that Detroit hasn't make any announcement on the necessary move yet.

Also can the team choose how long the stretch is for? McGruder could be over 5 years, but Detroit only needs 850K or so shaved off and that could be accomplished with a three year stretch. Opening $3M+ with a McGruder 5-yr stretch will get eaten up by the vet minimum deals anyways.

[440BB]

I wonder if Weaver is still looking at a trade before making the call on the stretch.

[Snakebites]

Anyone else unreasonably emotional that we finally got past the stretching of Josh Smith (an awful decision in retrospect) only to waive and stretch new guys?

It’s like we signed an invisible player who can’t play to a 5 year, 20 million dollar extension. I’ll name this invisible player Stretchy, though I’m open to other names.

Which signing is worst?

Plumlee 3/25
Grant 3/60
Stretchy 5/20

And yes, that is close to what the stretch figure is if it’s McGruder.

Feels bad man. I was hoping my perspective on these moves would improve with time. It has not. We didn’t just sign vets to dubious contracts- we stretched guys so their salary hits longer (even trading for guys with 2 years left so we could stretch them farther) in order to do it.

I already knew all that, but it feels worse the more I think about it. As a guy who’s really into the numbers side of the game it just makes me puke.

[Canadafan]

Crap. Waived Smith

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[Kilo]

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Stupid.

Smith will get picked up by somebody on minimum deal, probably Golden State or San Antonio.

But hey, Detroit needs McGruder. Probably just Weaver pretending McGruder had value in the trade he gave up four second rounders in.