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Post#101 » by jpatrick » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:58 am

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Neeva wrote:Meh of course he will be good the first 2-3 seasons the the guards/wings will catch up and overtake him and in 5 years in a redraft be wont go top 5, ball may not go top ten.

If the RoY vote was today it would be Wiseman winning, but as bad as Ball has been I bet he would still come in second.

Why is people so high on Ball? He has been playing in teams on low level leagues around the world. I don't get it.


The NBL is a higher league than college basketball. So, you discount all players that played college?

I still believe in Ball but you have to put the ball in his hands and let him orchestrate, like a young Rubio. Hornets won’t do that because of Graham and Rozier. Makes it a tough fit, just like it would have been here.
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Post#102 » by moonpie » Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:24 am

Always rooting for a loss for these fringe western conference playoff teams. Mavs 0-2 to start the year
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Post#103 » by Merc_Porto » Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:45 am

So fun these games.

4 games
4 blowouts
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Post#104 » by Dual » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:20 am

mercgold3 wrote:So fun these games.

4 games
4 blowouts

Yeah man... :banghead:
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Post#105 » by minimus » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:20 am

moonpie wrote:Always rooting for a loss for these fringe western conference playoff teams. Mavs 0-2 to start the year


Without KP DAL has no chance in West.
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Post#106 » by Killboard » Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:53 pm

After watching some west teams, the Wolves should be in the ball park with:

Denver. Losing Plumlee and Grant makes them thin in the bench. Likely a top5 seed but not as good as last season.
Portland. Probably in the upper side of this list, but not in contention level.
Phoenix. Good starting 5. The bench is pretty meh. If Paul stays healthy they could be in the upper side of this list.
Dallas. No bench, no Porzingis and losing a shooter as Curry hurts.
Memphis. I think the Wolves will do better than the preseason against them when the team has some more games together.
Pelicans. Losing Jrue hurts. Adams over Favors is a marginal improvement.
Sacramento. Loss Bogdanovic. Probably worse than last season.
Warriors. Oubre+Wiggins are awful, plus a very weak bench.
Spurs. Lost some minor pieces and an aging core.

I have Lakers, Clippers, Jazz as the top 3 seeds with Houston up in the air but likely top4 if Harden stays, but if he leaves they would be in the same ball park than the Wolves as well.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#107 » by _AIJ_ » Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:54 pm

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Post#108 » by Slim Tubby » Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:07 pm

_AIJ_ wrote:I really need to stay away from the General Board.


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Post#109 » by Calinks » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:32 pm

Watching some more Grizz. I may need to pump the breaks on how good they are but I still think they will be a good team this season. They will be in the playoffs but they do still have some holes. That said, they are tough and Morant can beat any team on any given night.
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Post#110 » by Dual » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:45 pm

Calinks wrote:Watching some more Grizz. I may need to pump the breaks on how good they are but I still think they will be a good team this season. They will be in the playoffs but they do still have some holes. That said, they are tough and Morant can beat any team on any given night.

They have significant injuries, depends of the time those guys are out they will take playoff spot or play in.
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Post#111 » by moonpie » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:25 am

Looks like Grizzlies will start 0-2 as well
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Post#112 » by jpatrick » Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:30 am

Harden is unbelievable. Looks insanely out of shape but absolutely no one can stay in front of him. He’s single handedly keeping the undermanned rockets in this game.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#113 » by Calinks » Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:12 am

NBA TV showing highlights, mention Edwards but don't show anything he did. They go to the Hornets game and show Ball hitting a 3 and getting a dunk, barely any other highlights and they talk about how much talent he has.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#114 » by King Malta » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:02 am

Calinks wrote:NBA TV showing highlights, mention Edwards but don't show anything he did. They go to the Hornets game and show Ball hitting a 3 and getting a dunk, barely any other highlights and they talk about how much talent he has.


I absolutely love it. I hope they keep slighting him, let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder.
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Post#115 » by Merc_Porto » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:13 am

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Calinks wrote:NBA TV showing highlights, mention Edwards but don't show anything he did. They go to the Hornets game and show Ball hitting a 3 and getting a dunk, barely any other highlights and they talk about how much talent he has.


I absolutely love it. I hope they keep slighting him, let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder.


Agree on this!

But let me also say that i don't buy this conversation that Edwards is already showing things that Wiggins never showed. Or people are with some lack of memory or is simple the hope of Edwards not turning out to be Wiggins 2.0

Wiggins rookie season was phenomenal as a prospect but he had the spotlight over him.

Edwards doesn't have.
Maybe that works way better for him.

Like you said...

"let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder."
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#116 » by King Malta » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:03 pm

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Calinks wrote:NBA TV showing highlights, mention Edwards but don't show anything he did. They go to the Hornets game and show Ball hitting a 3 and getting a dunk, barely any other highlights and they talk about how much talent he has.


I absolutely love it. I hope they keep slighting him, let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder.


Agree on this!

But let me also say that i don't buy this conversation that Edwards is already showing things that Wiggins never showed. Or people are with some lack of memory or is simple the hope of Edwards not turning out to be Wiggins 2.0

Wiggins rookie season was phenomenal as a prospect but he had the spotlight over him.

Edwards doesn't have.
Maybe that works way better for him.

Like you said...

"let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder."


I do agree that we should be wary of revisionism but I do think there's a couple of things that Ant has shown that Wiggy never did.

His general defense is better and more consistent that Andrew's was in my opinion. His handle is also tighter and he seems more comfortable acting as a creator for others, something Wiggy never really looked like doing at any point.

From an off the court/intangibles scenario, he's built better physically than just about any rookie I've seen including Andrew. Also, and I know a passive personality isn't a bad thing (see Kahwi or Duncan), but there's a swagger and confidence that Ant exudes that I find encouraging too. Wiggy always seemed a little too comfortable and withdrawn in my opinion. I feel like Ant has a real thirst for greatness. Time will tell, I guess.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#117 » by Domejandro » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:08 pm

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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#118 » by Merc_Porto » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:54 pm

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I absolutely love it. I hope they keep slighting him, let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder.


Agree on this!

But let me also say that i don't buy this conversation that Edwards is already showing things that Wiggins never showed. Or people are with some lack of memory or is simple the hope of Edwards not turning out to be Wiggins 2.0

Wiggins rookie season was phenomenal as a prospect but he had the spotlight over him.

Edwards doesn't have.
Maybe that works way better for him.

Like you said...

"let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder."


I do agree that we should be wary of revisionism but I do think there's a couple of things that Ant has shown that Wiggy never did.

His general defense is better and more consistent that Andrew's was in my opinion. His handle is also tighter and he seems more comfortable acting as a creator for others, something Wiggy never really looked like doing at any point.

From an off the court/intangibles scenario, he's built better physically than just about any rookie I've seen including Andrew. Also, and I know a passive personality isn't a bad thing (see Kahwi or Duncan), but there's a swagger and confidence that Ant exudes that I find encouraging too. Wiggy always seemed a little too comfortable and withdrawn in my opinion. I feel like Ant has a real thirst for greatness. Time will tell, I guess.

I do agree with a lot of those things.

I'm just saying that took 3 years or so for the majority of people realize that Andrew Wiggins was a bust (no other way to say it)
Until there he was pretty much untouchable in the eyes of most Wolves fans. Because he showed some things as well. Is not like he was this bad all the time as he is this days.

Another thing in favor of Edwards i guess is that he doesn't have to carry the offense of this team by himself. Andrew had to...
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#119 » by FinnTheHuman » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:17 pm

mercgold3 wrote:
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mercgold3 wrote:
Agree on this!

But let me also say that i don't buy this conversation that Edwards is already showing things that Wiggins never showed. Or people are with some lack of memory or is simple the hope of Edwards not turning out to be Wiggins 2.0

Wiggins rookie season was phenomenal as a prospect but he had the spotlight over him.

Edwards doesn't have.
Maybe that works way better for him.

Like you said...

"let him fly under the radar and build up that chip on his shoulder."


I do agree that we should be wary of revisionism but I do think there's a couple of things that Ant has shown that Wiggy never did.

His general defense is better and more consistent that Andrew's was in my opinion. His handle is also tighter and he seems more comfortable acting as a creator for others, something Wiggy never really looked like doing at any point.

From an off the court/intangibles scenario, he's built better physically than just about any rookie I've seen including Andrew. Also, and I know a passive personality isn't a bad thing (see Kahwi or Duncan), but there's a swagger and confidence that Ant exudes that I find encouraging too. Wiggy always seemed a little too comfortable and withdrawn in my opinion. I feel like Ant has a real thirst for greatness. Time will tell, I guess.

I do agree with a lot of those things.

I'm just saying that took 3 years or so for the majority of people realize that Andrew Wiggins was a bust (no other way to say it)
Until there he was pretty much untouchable in the eyes of most Wolves fans. Because he showed some things as well. Is not like he was this bad all the time as he is this days.

Another thing in favor of Edwards i guess is that he doesn't have to carry the offense of this team by himself. Andrew had to...



We knew what the issue with Wiggins was all along: settling for long 2s, not consistent at shooting 3s, not creating for others, handle awful, bad at team defense. We were hyping him up because we thought he could fix most of those things which would've put him in the all star category, but he fixed none.

What glaring weaknesses did Ant show? Probably shooting in the preseason, but for the 2 regular season games he's been shooting really well, so it's hard to say even that. He'll probably have some defensive blunders when expected to help or not to help etc, he might start turning it over too much, it might turn out he suffers from tunnel vision, tho I've seen him pass a couple of times when help came to cover him, but for now he's had a much better start than Wiggins, whatever the reason for that may be, so we gotta be excited.
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Re: Around the League 2020-21 

Post#120 » by Merc_Porto » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:44 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:We knew what the issue with Wiggins was all along: settling for long 2s, not consistent at shooting 3s, not creating for others, handle awful, bad at team defense. We were hyping him up because we thought he could fix most of those things which would've put him in the all star category, but he fixed none.


We weren't only hyping up because we thought he could fix most of those things.
Because let's be honest. We can say the same thing about every single player.

Same for Ricky for example that in this 10 years in the league was always underrated but never was close to be an all-star even thought that was the prespective when he came to the league.

Wiggins was hyped because in those first 2/3 years he showed high potential. He was ROY by a large margin.

Love what i'm seeing from Edwards but let's just calm down a little bit because we already saw this movie not long time ago.

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