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clyde21 wrote:

thebigbird wrote:

Asianiac_24 wrote:
The Warriors are 1-8 without Curry. In the games Curry does play, they are 28-21, which is on pace for 8th in 2019.

As for the 2019 Lakers, LeBron is pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion. That team is tenfold better than this Warriors team, which would be in the running for first pick without Curry.

Lol, how in the world was LeBron “pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion” in 2019? Three players on this Pelicans team were on that Lakers team. Lonzo Ball played 47 games in 2019. Brandon Ingram played 52 games. LeBron, Alonzo, and Ingram played 23 games together that season and went 15-8. But sure, he “pretty much was playing with the current Pels minus Zion.”

Ahh there it is. You do realize that Kuz was the one who actually screwed up his rotation on this play, right?

dhsilv2 wrote:Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

FiveThirtyEight Current Elo Estimates:

Current Warriors 1539
Full-Strength Warriors 1480

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/

-69 elo at "full-strength". That's just wild. Talk about addition by subtraction.

Edit: -59 was closer to 70 before the last game IIRC.

thebigbird wrote:

Asianiac_24 wrote:

thebigbird wrote:Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

The Warriors are 1-8 without Curry. In the games Curry does play, they are 28-21, which is on pace for 8th in 2019.

As for the 2019 Lakers, LeBron is pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion. That team is tenfold better than this Warriors team, which would be in the running for first pick without Curry.

Lol, how in the world was LeBron “pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion” in 2019? Three players on this Pelicans team were on that Lakers team. Lonzo Ball played 47 games in 2019. Brandon Ingram played 52 games. LeBron, Alonzo, and Ingram played 23 games together that season and went 15-8. But sure, he “pretty much was playing with the current Pels minus Zion.”

Three starters on the Pels was playing with LeBron. That’s pretty much the Pels.

WarriorGM wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

FiveThirtyEight Current Elo Estimates:

Current Warriors 1539
Full-Strength Warriors 1480

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/

-69 elo at "full-strength". That's just wild. Talk about addition by subtraction.

Warriors fans talking **** about their own players to prop up Curry, a new Low. Also everyday you ******'s pull out a new BS Stat, now we looking at ELO what is this League of Legends?

Fine if you think Wiseman is that trash, I'll trade you a top 55 protected pick for him. Addition by subtraction you say

Asianiac_24 wrote:

thebigbird wrote:

Asianiac_24 wrote:
The Warriors are 1-8 without Curry. In the games Curry does play, they are 28-21, which is on pace for 8th in 2019.

As for the 2019 Lakers, LeBron is pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion. That team is tenfold better than this Warriors team, which would be in the running for first pick without Curry.

Lol, how in the world was LeBron “pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion” in 2019? Three players on this Pelicans team were on that Lakers team. Lonzo Ball played 47 games in 2019. Brandon Ingram played 52 games. LeBron, Alonzo, and Ingram played 23 games together that season and went 15-8. But sure, he “pretty much was playing with the current Pels minus Zion.”

Three starters on the Pels was playing with LeBron. That’s pretty much the Pels.

Who’s the third starter? Josh Hart has started four games for them this year. The other two starters, Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram, played 23 games with LeBron and went 15-8.

Spintown wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:

Spintown wrote:
LOL is that your strawman argument

It shows that the list you put together wasn't based on watching games or reviewing basketball stats. No list would include Wiseman if G league was the standard...he's actually the perfect example of a guy who'd be better served in the g league.

You are arguing for one guy on the list and not even giving good reasoning. Wiseman is a Rookie and compared to other rookies he has pretty good numbers at worst he's in the Top 10 amongst Rookies and a shoe in to make the all rookie team. He still has tons of potential and far from a G-Leaguer. Do you know what a G-Leaguer is? Think of guys like Antonius Cleveland, Andre Ingram, Jarrell Eddie, etc

Being a rookie doesn't excuse being terrible at basketball and right now he is terrible by NBA standards. He's got the 12th worst VORP in the league. Only Maledon among qualifying players had a worse BPM this year than Wiseman. 538's raptor, he has the worst score in the history of the metric. Among all centers, who played any time at all, he has the 80th lowest RPM on the season. The guy is not good enough to be playing basketball in the nba and every stat shows that.

Listing him as if he hasn't been horrible would be like a top 50 list of guards in nba history and leaving Jordan off it.

WarriorGM wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

FiveThirtyEight Current Elo Estimates:

Current Warriors 1539
Full-Strength Warriors 1480

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/

-69 elo at "full-strength". That's just wild. Talk about addition by subtraction.

Edit: -59 was closer to 70 before the last game IIRC.

Yeah, I saw that the other day and it took me a minute to realize what was happening. But every freaking metric says the same thing about him and when you watch you have these odd moments. "Oh wow he can shoot". "Why in gods name is he standing THERE?"

Spintown wrote:

WarriorGM wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

FiveThirtyEight Current Elo Estimates:

Current Warriors 1539
Full-Strength Warriors 1480

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/

-69 elo at "full-strength". That's just wild. Talk about addition by subtraction.

Warriors fans talking **** about their own players to prop up Curry, a new Low. Also everyday you ******'s pull out a new BS Stat, now we looking at ELO what is this League of Legends?

Fine if you think Wiseman is that trash, I'll trade you a top 55 protected pick for him. Addition by subtraction you say

Causes teams have 19 year olds on them for their current value? What kinda stupid logic is that. You can both think Wiseman will be a future star AND think he's horrible this year.

KD was complete trash his rookie year too. He turned out ok.

dhsilv2 wrote:

Spintown wrote:

WarriorGM wrote:
FiveThirtyEight Current Elo Estimates:

Current Warriors 1539
Full-Strength Warriors 1480

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/

-69 elo at "full-strength". That's just wild. Talk about addition by subtraction.

Warriors fans talking **** about their own players to prop up Curry, a new Low. Also everyday you ******'s pull out a new BS Stat, now we looking at ELO what is this League of Legends?

Fine if you think Wiseman is that trash, I'll trade you a top 55 protected pick for him. Addition by subtraction you say

Causes teams have 19 year olds on them for their current value? What kinda stupid logic is that. You can both think Wiseman will be a future star AND think he's horrible this year.

KD was complete trash his rookie year too. He turned out ok.

Yeah, I don't really understand the confusion.

I liked what I saw from Wiseman. He's enormous, pretty fluid for a guy his size (he's not Giannis or AD, but who is), plays hard, and has good looking shooting mechanics...

...but he was far from a positive on the court this year. How many 19 years olds would be? Not to mention the fact that he basically came straight out of High School with no training camp...

clyde21 wrote:

Spintown wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:
Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

LOL is that your strawman argument

what happened to you in the previous thread, you were missin for a while.

Aww you been keeping tabs? probably don't have anything better to do as you been living vicariously for the past couple years.

Marrrcuss wrote:

rtiff68 wrote:

Marrrcuss wrote:
And I still don't know or care who u are or root for. It's still weird that you all 'take names' of anyone not praising curry

Why is this always your first defense mechanism? You spend more time crapping on Curry-- often with poor reasoning-- than doing anything else here, and you find it surprising that people remember it and call you out on it?

When someone on a board like this beats a dead horse over and over again, people tend to remember. When another person tends to post lengthy, logically driven arguments, again, people remember. When someone is consistently a huge homer or super emotional, again...you get the point.

Maybe the fact that you're called out so often for the same thing is an indicator that your content is lacking in some areas? Food for thought.

Honestly, because its weird and creepy to me. Its like yall think internet cred matters. Just a crazy concept. Its never personal for me but yall absolutely take criticism to Steph and acouple others personally. Thats some wack isht bro

They are the only fans on here who do this type of stuff. I remember one of them saying that “ y’all should start a Warriors hate group” and he started listing all the names. Another Warriors fan said that everyone who post anti Curry comments said that are all burner accounts of her each other. “Warriors analyst” doesn’t even come on threads to comment anymore. He just comes on threads to say “these are the people who hate Curry” and he will just start naming off names.

Not all but most Warriors fans on here do stuff like you were saying in your post.

When we say Curry has to get his team to the playoffs we talking about 8th seed, not 9th or 10th play in tournament.

dhsilv2 wrote:

Spintown wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:
It shows that the list you put together wasn't based on watching games or reviewing basketball stats. No list would include Wiseman if G league was the standard...he's actually the perfect example of a guy who'd be better served in the g league.

You are arguing for one guy on the list and not even giving good reasoning. Wiseman is a Rookie and compared to other rookies he has pretty good numbers at worst he's in the Top 10 amongst Rookies and a shoe in to make the all rookie team. He still has tons of potential and far from a G-Leaguer. Do you know what a G-Leaguer is? Think of guys like Antonius Cleveland, Andre Ingram, Jarrell Eddie, etc

Being a rookie doesn't excuse being terrible at basketball and right now he is terrible by NBA standards. He's got the 12th worst VORP in the league. Only Maledon among qualifying players had a worse BPM this year than Wiseman. 538's raptor, he has the worst score in the history of the metric. Among all centers, who played any time at all, he has the 80th lowest RPM on the season. The guy is not good enough to be playing basketball in the nba and every stat shows that.

Listing him as if he hasn't been horrible would be like a top 50 list of guards in nba history and leaving Jordan off it.

He is far from a G-leaguer. G-leaguer is a guy who goes undrafted and plays in the G-league and tries to get called up to the NBA.

High draft picks with potential are not G-leaguers until they prove their potential went to waste and are no longer valued for a nba roster spot.

Season II of this thread is excellent so far. Total curveball that it changed hosts. Can't wait for season 3!!

Rodwilliams wrote:When we say Curry has to get his team to the playoffs we talking about 8th seed, not 9th or 10th play in tournament.

at this point it's pretty clear Steph won't be able to do anything to change the mind of the very few in this crew, after single handedly taking a 14 win team to the POs in the tougher conference while posting peak MVP level metrics and stats...it doesn't really matter at this point, it's just comical watching people grasp at whatever anti Steph straws they have left, there isn't much they can hold onto anymore.

Rodwilliams wrote:

Marrrcuss wrote:

rtiff68 wrote:
Why is this always your first defense mechanism? You spend more time crapping on Curry-- often with poor reasoning-- than doing anything else here, and you find it surprising that people remember it and call you out on it?

When someone on a board like this beats a dead horse over and over again, people tend to remember. When another person tends to post lengthy, logically driven arguments, again, people remember. When someone is consistently a huge homer or super emotional, again...you get the point.

Maybe the fact that you're called out so often for the same thing is an indicator that your content is lacking in some areas? Food for thought.

Honestly, because its weird and creepy to me. Its like yall think internet cred matters. Just a crazy concept. Its never personal for me but yall absolutely take criticism to Steph and acouple others personally. Thats some wack isht bro

They are the only fans on here who do this type of stuff. I remember one of them saying that “ y’all should start a Warriors hate group” and he started listing all the names. Another Warriors fan said that everyone who post anti Curry comments said that are all burner accounts of her each other. “Warriors analyst” doesn’t even come on threads to comment anymore. He just comes on threads to say “these are the people who hate Curry” and he will just start naming off names.

Not all but most Warriors fans on here do stuff like you were saying in your post.

Have you ever made a factual post? Warriors fans are "the only fans on here" who call out posters for going overboard on their negativity towards a specific player?

LOL.

Yeah, I've never seen haters of LeBron, Kobe, Kyrie, etc. called out by their fans on the RealGM General Board.

You've posted a lot of ridiculous things on here Rod, but that takes the cake. You've out-done yourself this time.

thebigbird wrote:

nikster wrote:

thebigbird wrote:Make the playoffs. I mean, tonight they had a very winnable game against a bad Washington team and he went 7-25 from the field and 2-14 from 3. Everyone has bad games of course, but you can't afford very many of those when you're fighting for your playoff lives. Their schedule is pretty easy from here on out. They play the Pelicans 3 times, the Thunder twice, as well as the Kings, Rockets, and Timberwolves. They also have a game against the Grizzlies. With 13 games left, they only have three hard games left - Denver, Utah, and Phoenix. The other 10 are all very winnable. Plenty of chances to move up the standings and make the play-in round easier for themselves.

I honestly can't tell if your trolling. You realize these exact same arguments could be made about Lebron in 2019? Team was slightly above 500 with him on the court, missed the playoffs, activated playoff mode, and lost games to weak teams like ATL, NYK, and the Pelicans down the stretch

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

Why you posting % of games played and ignoring how those Lakers played with lebron on the court? 28-27. Thats Lebrons record in games he played in 2019. 20-14 is his record pre-injury (through an easy part of his schedule). 28-23, Warriors record with Curry playing this year. Theres barely any difference

So what kind of mental hoops you want to jump through to explain that?

that this got a 2nd thread. amazing.

rtiff68 wrote:

Rodwilliams wrote:

Marrrcuss wrote:Honestly, because its weird and creepy to me. Its like yall think internet cred matters. Just a crazy concept. Its never personal for me but yall absolutely take criticism to Steph and acouple others personally. Thats some wack isht bro

They are the only fans on here who do this type of stuff. I remember one of them saying that “ y’all should start a Warriors hate group” and he started listing all the names. Another Warriors fan said that everyone who post anti Curry comments said that are all burner accounts of her each other. “Warriors analyst” doesn’t even come on threads to comment anymore. He just comes on threads to say “these are the people who hate Curry” and he will just start naming off names.

Not all but most Warriors fans on here do stuff like you were saying in your post.

Have you ever made a factual post? Warriors fans are "the only fans on here" who call out posters for going overboard on their negativity towards a specific player?

LOL.

Yeah, I've never seen haters of LeBron, Kobe, Kyrie, etc. called out by their fans on the RealGM General Board.

You've posted a lot of ridiculous things on here Rod, but that takes the cake. You've out-done yourself this time.

Bruh I fixed you in our last debate but we won’t get into that. Let me explain further on how I mean Warriors fans take things more personal.

Agree that other fans on here call out people too but their responses will be the typical “you’re delusional” or “your stupid” type of comment. Warriors fan take things to another level. They say things like “y’all should start a Warriors hate group”. He listed the names and everything. That’s why I could understand what Marcusss mean by keeping track of names. I never seen a Lebron fan or fan of other player team say something like that before on here. I never seen anyone say “start a Lebron hate group”. Other Warriors fans on here egged on the hate group comment too.

Another example is when a Warriors fan on here said that everyone who is Anti Warriors or Anti Curry are all burner accounts of each other. One of the dumbest comments I ever read on here but Warriors egged that comment on too. Never heard a Lebron fan call anti Lebron people burner accounts of each other on here. Same with other players and teams.

Your buddy Warriors Analyst barely even talks about basketball on here anymore. He just comes on threads just to list the names of people who don’t like Curry.

It just seems like yall be taking things too personal sometimes. Your whole “what have you said factual comment” shows that. Y’all just start saying outrageous things whenever it’s someone that’s anti Curry.

Rodwilliams wrote:

rtiff68 wrote:

Rodwilliams wrote:

They are the only fans on here who do this type of stuff. I remember one of them saying that “ y’all should start a Warriors hate group” and he started listing all the names. Another Warriors fan said that everyone who post anti Curry comments said that are all burner accounts of her each other. “Warriors analyst” doesn’t even come on threads to comment anymore. He just comes on threads to say “these are the people who hate Curry” and he will just start naming off names.

Not all but most Warriors fans on here do stuff like you were saying in your post.

Have you ever made a factual post? Warriors fans are "the only fans on here" who call out posters for going overboard on their negativity towards a specific player?

LOL.

Yeah, I've never seen haters of LeBron, Kobe, Kyrie, etc. called out by their fans on the RealGM General Board.

You've posted a lot of ridiculous things on here Rod, but that takes the cake. You've out-done yourself this time.

Bruh I fixed you in our last debate but we won’t get into that. Let me explain further on how I mean Warriors fans take things more personal.

Agree that other fans on here call out people too but their responses will be the typical “you’re delusional” or “your stupid” type of comment. Warriors fan take things to another level. They say things like “y’all should start a Warriors hate group”. He listed the names and everything. That’s why I could understand what Marcusss mean by keeping track of names. I never seen a Lebron fan or fan of other player team say something like that before on here. I never seen anyone say “start a Lebron hate group”. Other Warriors fans on here egged on the hate group comment too.

Another example is when a Warriors fan on here said that everyone who is Anti Warriors or Anti Curry are all burner accounts of each other. One of the dumbest comments I ever read on here but Warriors egged that comment on too. Never heard a Lebron fan call anti Lebron people burner accounts of each other on here. Same with other players and teams.

Your buddy Warriors Analyst barely even talks about basketball on here anymore. He just comes on threads just to list the names of people who don’t like Curry.

It just seems like yall be taking things too personal sometimes. Your whole “what have you said factual comment” shows that. Y’all just start saying outrageous things whenever it’s someone that’s anti Curry.

"Bruh," you got turned inside-out in our last debate. It basically consisted of this: you repeating the same, tired things over and over, me calling you out, you lashing out and calling me a liar, me proving you wrong with links, and then you lashing out and calling me a liar again.

I never took anything "personal." I simply pointed out facts that, unfortunately for you, flew in the face of your silly opinions. You responded by starting new threads repeating the same things in different ways. Enough is enough for me.

This will be the last time I respond to you. I am now going to do what Kevin Durant should have done years ago: I'm going to stop arguing basketball with teenagers online (yes, your behavior makes it quite obvious).

Have a nice day.