Reggie Miller made top 75 because he has a whole bunch of media friends

[dacrusha]

Take Robert Parish off the list and add Dwight Howard… that’ll bring some respectability to the list.

[Winsome Gerbil]

I am as big a Reggie detractor as anybody. SO overrated. And people trying to go back to "fix" history to make it not so. He's a HOF on longevity, not overall greatness. He just didn't do anything else for you. No passing, rebounding, defense, bad athlete etc. Not even a big volume scorer. 20 was a good night. He was never a superstar.

BUT...Top 75? Yeah, we can still do that. He DID have the longevity, and he DID have the clutch. You can't tell the league's story of that era without him.

[Winsome Gerbil]

Take Robert Parish off the list and add Dwight Howard… that’ll bring some respectability to the list.

Kinda like that one.

[Schiltzenberger]

Reggie is the most overrated player in NBA history, his legend has grown every year since he retired for some strange reason. Methinks the recent love affair with the 3pt line has people looking back at the past with rosey 3pt glasses.

Other than shooting he was a pretty average shooting guard.

Yes, that totally unjustified love affair with the 3 point line that has no statistical basis.

I’m really glad I’m here to get to enjoy takes like this.

Did you watch the NBA in the 90s? Because this reads like someone who looked at his points per game and decided he wasn’t worth his salt.

When you have a league full of guys that shoot 30% from 3 chucking them up like they're Steph, then yes, it's a totally unjustified love affair..
Of course I watched the NBA in the 90s, that's why I know he has been overrated since he retired. He was an average SG and it was his shooting that brought him up to average, as he was below average at several aspects of the game.

He made 3rd team All-NBA 3 times in his career, he never made top 10 in mvp voting...... definitely not top 75 all time.

[Snakebites]

The other thing I hate is that people bring up Reggie’s points per game without taking into account how slow peak Reggie Miller’s Pacer teams played- they were slow even for a slow era.

His volume scoring holds up much better at his peak when looked at through the per-possession lens- the correct way to look at it by the way.

Points per game means little.

I’m not saying he’s top 30 or even top 50. But I can categorically say he’s top 75. And that he’s the one targeted here just feels silly to me.

[SelfishPlayer]

I am as big a Reggie detractor as anybody. SO overrated. And people trying to go back to "fix" history to make it not so. He's a HOF on longevity, not overall greatness. He just didn't do anything else for you. No passing, rebounding, defense, bad athlete etc. Not even a big volume scorer. 20 was a good night. He was never a superstar.

BUT...Top 75? Yeah, we can still do that. He DID have the longevity, and he DID have the clutch. You can't tell the league's story of that era without him.

Reggie Miller at about age 37

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[cupcakesnake]

Reggie is the most overrated player in NBA history, his legend has grown every year since he retired for some strange reason. Methinks the recent love affair with the 3pt line has people looking back at the past with rosey 3pt glasses.

Other than shooting he was a pretty average shooting guard.

Yes, that totally unjustified love affair with the 3 point line that has no statistical basis.

I’m really glad I’m here to get to enjoy takes like this.

Did you watch the NBA in the 90s? Because this reads like someone who looked at his points per game and decided he wasn’t worth his salt.

When you have a league full of guys that shoot 30% from 3 chucking them up like they're Steph, then yes, it's a totally unjustified love affair..
Of course I watched the NBA in the 90s, that's why I know he has been overrated since he retired. He was an average SG and it was his shooting that brought him up to average, as he was below average at several aspects of the game.

He made 3rd team All-NBA 3 times in his career, he never made top 10 in mvp voting...... definitely not top 75 all time.

Anytime I go back and watch 90s playoff games, I think Reggie was underrated not overrated. All-NBA and MVP voting just indicates how he was rated at the time, it's not a measure of his basketball impact.

There's just so many playoff games where Reggie was just an absolute murderer of defenses. The Pacers were this average team that played super super slow. They never had a a ton of good offensive players (Rik Smits was their #2 option a lot of those years), they were super reliant on Reggie. They weren't a good defensive team either (though people didn't know that as much at the time because they were using opponent points per game instead of defensive rating). But then the playoffs rolled around and these guys were just extremely annoying and really difficult to put down. Reggie was a **** demon. Running around screens to break defensive schemes and always attacking at the moment when the defense had its pants down. He was just such a competitor and had such a motor. He knew how to break down the defense and capitalize like few guys I've ever seen play. Dagger threes, fouls drawn, little cuts into open spaces... he was just so awful to play against in important games.

It's not just a new appreciation of 3-pointers that has led to people having a high appreciation for Reggie today. It's understanding how ridiculously difficult he was to guard, it's how he carried mediocre rosters to good offensive performances, it's that he's one of the best playoff scorers ever/the guy who always boosted his game in the playoffs, it's understanding that pace made his numbers look worse than hey were. Nowadays we have a bit more appreciation for how the regular season and playoffs are different and can look back on Reggie as one of those guys who absolutely ratcheted it up when the games mattered more.

You can compare his box score numbers (hurt by the pace of the Pacers), his cool factor (he's a dork and an bad commentator) or his accolades (on the low side for a star of his reputation) and conclude that he wasn't as good as some of his contemporaries. But every deep dive on Reggie, whether it's watching film or doing more rigorous statistical analysis, reveals Reggie was a bad bad man, and much better than guys who have similar-looking careers at first glance.

[TOStateofMind]

An argument can be made against him but I dont have a huge issue with him there. He is the GOAT pacer and one of the greatest 3 pt shooters ever.

[Doctor MJ]

Let’s talk about this. When was Reggie Miller better than these players below? All these players have played less years and have way more accomplishments. Dude never made nba 1st or 2nd team once in his 18 year nba career and has 0 rings on stacked teams. Hell I’ll take A prime Chris Webber and Paja Stankovic over reggie. Is he even a top 25 player today in his prime lmao?

Tmac
Vince Carter
Grant Hill
Kyrie
Dwight
Paul Gasol
Ginobili
Paul George
Klay Thompson,
Tony Parker
Ben Wallace
Nikola Jokic
Joel Embiid
Luka Doncic

So what I'll say:

1. You're right that this was an influence, and I don't want to justify that influence. It's merely a coincidence that these folks are correct like a broken clock being right twice a day.

2. I rank Miller over every single player you just mentioned. Every. Single. One.

Remember when you talk about accolades as accomplishments, you're essentially just regurgitating the opinions of other people as if they were correct, and these voters were 100% ignorant at evaluating value compared to 21st century analysts who seriously use analytic toolsets to supplement the tools these folks had back then.

Miller's game essentially created the concept of gravity in basketball and Steph Curry's game today is more influenced by Reggie Miller than anyone else, and while Curry is clearly greater than Miller, you don't need to be anywhere near as great as Curry to make a 75 list.

[dautjazz]

Take Robert Parish off the list and add Dwight Howard… that’ll bring some respectability to the list.

Why Parish? Parish was a 9 time All-Star, huge part of the 1980s Celtics success. There are other players IMO from the NBA at 50 that were far less deserving than Parish, like Bill Sharman. I think Howard deserved it over Rodman. Either way, Howard's prime was rather short, at 26 he experienced the back injury and he was never quite the same after.

[wojoaderge]

Take Robert Parish off the list and add Dwight Howard… that’ll bring some respectability to the list.

Why Parish? Parish was a 9 time All-Star, huge part of the 1980s Celtics success. There are other players IMO from the NBA at 50 that were far less deserving than Parish, like Bill Sharman.

Sharman is not far less deserving. In fact I think he's more deserving

[jacoby1us]

Anyone who says Miller gets in at Top 75 in NBA history probably aren't old enough to know what he contributed to the league in the 90's and early 00's. This man is a first ballot HOF with a long resume minus a championship which is a team effort and his team just didn't have enough to beat the team of the 90's and when they did finally make it out of the East in 2000 they faced one of the best Laker teams in NBA history.

MILLER TIME stays, get a grip folks.

[SelfishPlayer]

Reggie is certainly there partially because of his clutch play. For the last couple possessions of a game only Jordan and Bird are clearly better IMO. Before Dame Time there was Miller Time... You can't reproduce the fear he put in teams trying to stop him from getting the basketball by watching YouTube clips or reading stats.
(Kobe was clutch as well, but I never felt that if the shot came out clean that he wouldn't miss the same way that I felt with Jordan, Bird, and Reggie.)

[xinxin]

Reggie isn’t even a first ballot hall of famer..

Had much fewer all nba teams than Dwight , and was hardly considered as MVP caliber..


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[Heej]

Lol Reggie was a dog back in his day. People didn't know how to properly value how much of a defense killer that man was. He was a better offensive player than Klay by a country mile due to his first step and foul drawing, and he'd be a goddamn menace if you transported him to today's league.

[Dan Z]

It depends on what your criteria is. There are players not on the list who you might say are individually more skilled than Reggie, but did they have the same impact he did in the NBA?

[The4thHorseman]

Anyone who says Miller gets in at Top 75 in NBA history probably aren't old enough to know what he contributed to the league in the 90's and early 00's. This man is a first ballot HOF with a long resume minus a championship which is a team effort and his team just didn't have enough to beat the team of the 90's and when they did finally make it out of the East in 2000 they faced one of the best Laker teams in NBA history.

MILLER TIME stays, get a grip folks.

If I recall correctly (may be wrong) but his first chance to make the final list for the voters to choose from, he didnt make the cut. The following year he did make the cut and was voted into the HOF.

That scenario seemed strange to me.

[DrCoach]

Miller > Dame

Carter>Dame

Dwight >Parrish

[dacrusha]

Miller > Dame

Carter>Dame

Dwight >Parrish

I’m no Dame fan but he has placed 5 times top 10 MVP voting in his career - so he’s certainly one of the top tier in his generation. Top 75 ever? Not so sure about that.

But Carter? Zero times top 10 MVP vote getter.

Dunking ability alone doesn’t make you a top 75 player.

[Calvin Klein]

If you were watching the NBA back when Reggie played, you have no problem with him being included. Simple as that.