Lillard is working his way out of Portland

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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#101 » by Roy The Natural » Thu Nov 4, 2021 12:12 am

bebopdeluxe wrote:Dame with a cool 4-for-12 tonight and 1-for-6 from 3 against that defensive JUGGERNAUT, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Ummm...how old is Dame again, and how many years are left on that max deal?


While I agree that Dame looks really bad.... The Cavs are the 10th ranked defense this young season. It's not like they've been a sieve.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#102 » by bebopdeluxe » Thu Nov 4, 2021 12:14 am

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bebopdeluxe wrote:Dame with a cool 4-for-12 tonight and 1-for-6 from 3 against that defensive JUGGERNAUT, the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Ummm...how old is Dame again, and how many years are left on that max deal?


While I agree that Dame looks really bad.... The Cavs are the 10th ranked defense this young season. It's not like they've been a sieve.


Thanks for the update. DId not know that the Cavs D has been solid.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#103 » by OrangeBlueSkies » Thu Nov 4, 2021 3:16 am

I actually think his play is lowering his trade value. Maybe this time last season I would of have up RJ, Mitchell Robinson, & pick. Today, I wouldn’t do RJ & picks. His play is good, but it’s not next level which is what we have grown to accustom from him.


He’s the next Westbrook imo. Not comparing their games, but their trajectories.
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Post#104 » by Lala870 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 8:34 am

LeGM: Offer portland a 2nd round draft pick, a warm bottle of seltzer, and Melo even though its a one year deal.

It would somehow work and ESPN would talk about what a haul portland is getting.
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Post#105 » by JN61 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 8:39 am

Lala870 wrote:LeGM: Offer portland a 2nd round draft pick, a warm bottle of seltzer, and Melo even though its a one year deal.

It would somehow work and ESPN would talk about what a haul portland is getting.


I'm sure they would offer Jordan as well in terms of salary filler.

After one bad game of Lillard Lakers fans would be saying how they preferred Jordan.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#106 » by Lala870 » Thu Nov 4, 2021 8:40 am

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Lala870 wrote:LeGM: Offer portland a 2nd round draft pick, a warm bottle of seltzer, and Melo even though its a one year deal.

It would somehow work and ESPN would talk about what a haul portland is getting.


I'm sure they would offer Jordan as well in terms of salary filler.

After one bad game of Lillard Lakers fans would be saying how they preferred Jordan.


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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#107 » by Mickey8 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:16 am

Another pathetic display for the mister "disrespected". All of the sudden he forgot how to play the game of basketball :roll:
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#108 » by Roy The Natural » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:31 am

Mickey8 wrote:Another pathetic display for the mister "disrespected". All of the sudden he forgot how to play the game of basketball :roll:


He's clearly injured.
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Post#109 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:34 am

Mickey8 wrote:Another pathetic display for the mister "disrespected". All of the sudden he forgot how to play the game of basketball :roll:


All while leading his team to victory over a top tier opponent with 22 points, 10 assists and the best +/- on the floor. For shame!
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#110 » by BNM » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:44 am

Mickey8 wrote:Another pathetic display for the mister "disrespected". All of the sudden he forgot how to play the game of basketball :roll:


And yet somehow managed to totally, totally, TOTALLY outplay "MVP candidate" DeRozan in the second half.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#111 » by Roy The Natural » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:48 am

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Mickey8 wrote:Another pathetic display for the mister "disrespected". All of the sudden he forgot how to play the game of basketball :roll:


All while leading his team to victory over a top tier opponent with 22 points, 10 assists and the best +/- on the floor. For shame!


Lillard was literally limping at the end of the game... and was using a heat-gun on his abdomen every time he was on the bench in the 2nd half. He was okay... but he's clearly at like 70% or something and is still positively impacting many games. I do believe he needs to rest, or figure out something going forward because he's frankly not the same player right now.

This Portland roster is actually pretty damn good. If Lillard was playing to the level he has over the past 3-4 years right now, I have no doubts that Portland would have 3-5 more wins at this point.
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Post#112 » by God Squad » Thu Nov 18, 2021 7:57 am

Larry Nance is starting to put it together in Portland. Sneaky good pickup if they can get everyone rolling.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#113 » by wjun15 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:35 am

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GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Another pathetic display for the mister "disrespected". All of the sudden he forgot how to play the game of basketball :roll:


All while leading his team to victory over a top tier opponent with 22 points, 10 assists and the best +/- on the floor. For shame!


Lillard was literally limping at the end of the game... and was using a heat-gun on his abdomen every time he was on the bench in the 2nd half. He was okay... but he's clearly at like 70% or something and is still positively impacting many games. I do believe he needs to rest, or figure out something going forward because he's frankly not the same player right now.

This Portland roster is actually pretty damn good. If Lillard was playing to the level he has over the past 3-4 years right now, I have no doubts that Portland would have 3-5 more wins at this point.


Although he was showing pain, I dont think you can just blame it on injury. Ive watched every game this season, he just hasnt been playing smart and has been taking awful shots and forcing when he should be making the extra pass. Him revealing that he has the abdominal pain is smart on his part as it gives him an excuse. But just watch....if Lillard starts playing GREAT again in a week all of a sudden the injury wont be talked about anymore...and its not like this injury will magically dissapear when hes had it for a while...
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#114 » by Roy The Natural » Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:42 am

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All while leading his team to victory over a top tier opponent with 22 points, 10 assists and the best +/- on the floor. For shame!


Lillard was literally limping at the end of the game... and was using a heat-gun on his abdomen every time he was on the bench in the 2nd half. He was okay... but he's clearly at like 70% or something and is still positively impacting many games. I do believe he needs to rest, or figure out something going forward because he's frankly not the same player right now.

This Portland roster is actually pretty damn good. If Lillard was playing to the level he has over the past 3-4 years right now, I have no doubts that Portland would have 3-5 more wins at this point.


Although he was showing pain, I dont think you can just blame it on injury. Ive watched every game this season, he just hasnt been playing smart and has been taking awful shots and forcing when he should be making the extra pass. Him revealing that he has the abdominal pain is smart on his part as it gives him an excuse. But just watch....if Lillard starts playing GREAT again in a week all of a sudden the injury wont be talked about anymore...and its not like this injury will magically dissapear when hes had it for a while...


He looks NOTICEABLY less quick. He's taking bad shots more regularly in my estimation because he struggling to get around players and keep them off balance. Lillard looks markedly less agile. He looks okay in a straight line, but is clearly lacking explosion IMO. I don't like all the conspiracy theories. I think they're somewhat out of place. Lillard's shot quality is the same as it always was. I believe Pelton had an article about it around a week ago.

His injury coming or going depends entirely on what the injury is.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#115 » by JN61 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:17 am

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Lillard was literally limping at the end of the game... and was using a heat-gun on his abdomen every time he was on the bench in the 2nd half. He was okay... but he's clearly at like 70% or something and is still positively impacting many games. I do believe he needs to rest, or figure out something going forward because he's frankly not the same player right now.

This Portland roster is actually pretty damn good. If Lillard was playing to the level he has over the past 3-4 years right now, I have no doubts that Portland would have 3-5 more wins at this point.


Although he was showing pain, I dont think you can just blame it on injury. Ive watched every game this season, he just hasnt been playing smart and has been taking awful shots and forcing when he should be making the extra pass. Him revealing that he has the abdominal pain is smart on his part as it gives him an excuse. But just watch....if Lillard starts playing GREAT again in a week all of a sudden the injury wont be talked about anymore...and its not like this injury will magically dissapear when hes had it for a while...


He looks NOTICEABLY less quick. He's taking bad shots more regularly in my estimation because he struggling to get around players and keep them off balance. Lillard looks markedly less agile. He looks okay in a straight line, but is clearly lacking explosion IMO. I don't like all the conspiracy theories. I think they're somewhat out of place. Lillard's shot quality is the same as it always was. I believe Pelton had an article about it around a week ago.

His injury coming or going depends entirely on what the injury is.

Could just be father time and added bulk slowing him down. He is just 1.5 years younger than Westbrook and 2 years younger than Curry.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#116 » by wjun15 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:14 pm

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Lillard was literally limping at the end of the game... and was using a heat-gun on his abdomen every time he was on the bench in the 2nd half. He was okay... but he's clearly at like 70% or something and is still positively impacting many games. I do believe he needs to rest, or figure out something going forward because he's frankly not the same player right now.

This Portland roster is actually pretty damn good. If Lillard was playing to the level he has over the past 3-4 years right now, I have no doubts that Portland would have 3-5 more wins at this point.


Although he was showing pain, I dont think you can just blame it on injury. Ive watched every game this season, he just hasnt been playing smart and has been taking awful shots and forcing when he should be making the extra pass. Him revealing that he has the abdominal pain is smart on his part as it gives him an excuse. But just watch....if Lillard starts playing GREAT again in a week all of a sudden the injury wont be talked about anymore...and its not like this injury will magically dissapear when hes had it for a while...


He looks NOTICEABLY less quick. He's taking bad shots more regularly in my estimation because he struggling to get around players and keep them off balance. Lillard looks markedly less agile. He looks okay in a straight line, but is clearly lacking explosion IMO. I don't like all the conspiracy theories. I think they're somewhat out of place. Lillard's shot quality is the same as it always was. I believe Pelton had an article about it around a week ago.

His injury coming or going depends entirely on what the injury is.


He still gets by people with ease. If his shots not falling it becomes easier to defend his drives. He just hasnt been hitting shots thats the main reason. If he was really injured to the point it affects him that much he would and should sit out. My guess is hes gonna heat up soon and no one will talk about his injury.
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Re: Lilard is working his way out of Portland 

Post#117 » by Myth » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:49 pm

His shot is not falling, but he is playing the more traditional role of a point guard better than he ever has before. Not sure if that is out of necessity of his shot not falling, or if it is Billups' coaching, or some combo of the 2. So even though he is clearly worse this season so far, I want to give props to Lillard who always finds a way to work on his game. Despite the poor shooting (which good shooting opens things up), he is averaging a career high in assists while reducing his turnovers.
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Post#118 » by Case2012 » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:20 pm

Lillard needs to rest and rehab his injury for a month or 2 probably. If he needs surgery he should get it, he’s lost all his quickness and burst and regularly falls down trying to get around opponents.
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Post#119 » by Capn'O » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:29 pm

Lillard seems clearly hurt.

God Squad wrote:Larry Nance is starting to put it together in Portland. Sneaky good pickup if they can get everyone rolling.


Love Nance. They need to get RoCo back to par too. He has been very bad for them.
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Post#120 » by BNM » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:42 pm

God Squad wrote:Larry Nance is starting to put it together in Portland. Sneaky good pickup if they can get everyone rolling.


Sneaky WRT the fans, but the GMs knew!

From the official NBA 2021-22 GM Survey:

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I love Nance's game. He always plays hard and always plays smart. He does so many "winning things" that don't show up in the box score (setting great screens, rotate and recover on defense, communicating with his teammates, etc.), and lately his box score numbers have been phenomenal as well!

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