PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel

[F N 11]

Whatever they do, it needs to be a refresh. I'd much rather trade a pick or two to feature a good young core than to bring in some scorer to "help" Randle and Fournier. No.

My guy, you know what’s going to happen but I hope I am wrong.

[Clyde_Style]

Randle just looked disengaged

It's night and day the difference in him last year to this year.

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Elfrid Effect

nah... it's called contract year.

NO. There was a year left on Randle’s contract. It was a completely unnecessary extension

[F N 11]

Apparently Grimes be playing D and draining 3s in practice but Thibs and politics.

[Clyde_Style]

Randle just looked disengaged

It's night and day the difference in him last year to this year.

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He looks lost, embarrassed, and depressed. I don't think it's due to a lack of effort.

That’s who Randle is though. He’s a front runner with no fortitude

[ibraheim718]

He really needs to give McBride a look now.

[mpharris36]

Whatever they do, it needs to be a refresh. I'd much rather trade a pick or two to feature a good young core than to bring in some scorer to "help" Randle and Fournier. No.

It can't be their regime though. They were brought in to bring on named players.

If the refresh is about developing and drafting young players. Thibs and Leon and crew aren't it.

[Capn'O]

FO better at drafting than signing players

It's been this way since Isiah. We also draft better in the late 1st and 2nd than we do in the lottery. It makes no sense.

[3toheadmelo]

:lol:

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I didn't see the melo heel turn on randle coming

Bad news for my pursuit of Bam this offseason.

no way im breaking up my twin towers of bam and ayton

[thebuzzardman]

I'm going to make a longish post. Longer than this game or the Knicks deserve.

Let me get out of the way that none of the moves or suggestions I make will be taken up by the Knicks, their coach, or their FO.

The team is going nowhere. This is no one trade that's going to fix this mess. There are too players with too many issues across too many positions to find a combination that makes up an actual good team.

There's a pretty strong consensus it was a mistake to sign Randle and build the team around him.
There are mixed feelings about RJ's abilities.
Everyone hates Evan.
Everyone but Shamms thinks the C position is a mess and that's only because he still likes Mitch for some odd reason. Then again, he's a Knick fan, so logic isn't any of our strong suits

The Knicks have player redundancies where maybe a couple of trades clear some space on the roster for the youth, get in some SLIGHTLY better players etc.

Randle - I'd trade Randle if I could, but I just don't see it happening. However, Randle and the team might benefit from a C with actual offensive ability. I'd trade:
Kemba, Noel (or Mitch), Knox, A #1 pick for Turner.
Then I'd run a 3 big rotation of Randle, Turner, Obi. F*ck a Noel or Mitch.

The Knicks don't need to carry THREE offensive liability C's in Mitch, Noel and Sims. I'd trade Noel because he flat out sucks. He gets bodied, can't hold onto the ball, is a poor rebounder. He's literally out there taking up space. Mitch is no better but at least he's not bodied as easily. They could trade both for all I care.

Trade Burks or Fournier. Fournier will be hard to move. So it's probably Burks. Grimes has just rendered at least one, if not both, redundant. Move Burks to a contender. It would be nice if Burks could be moved for a competent backup PG but that feels unlikely. Trade Burks to a contender for a future #1, like 4 years away or one of their spares. Make Pepe LePew the 6th man. Maybe if he has the ball in his hands with the 2nd unit more, he won't so completely suck the big baguette

Other players who could be dealt in the right situation: IQ, RJ. I wouldn't move RJ unless it's for a good player, but then it would be a multiple picks, young guy situation and it would have to be a PG or wing coming back and no, Dame isn't the answer. Look, Dame is good, it would get Randle a PG and with Randle\Turner\Dame\Grimes\? that would be ok.
Knicks don't need to be ok.
Knicks need to acknowledge that this team is a few years away from being even a little good.
This offseason set them back this year, next year and who knows how long.

Knicks need to try and get younger, move the vets without taking back too much salary, and field enough decent young guys that maybe a star is enticed, or just hope to get lucky in the draft.

Rose/McBride
Grimes/IQ
RJ/Fournier
Randle/Obi
Turner/Randle

Or, super duper fantasy edition:

Simmons/McBride
Grimes/Fournier (since stuck with him)
RJ/Knox
Obi\That G League guy
Turner\Sims

Where Randle\Burks\Kemba\Noel \Taj\picks went out for Simmons and Turner
Rose went for a pick
Thibs fired
Johnny Bryant promoted, Woodson brought back. lol.

[Clyde_Style]

FO better at drafting than signing players

It's been this way since Isiah. We also draft better in the late 1st and 2nd than we do in the lottery. It makes no sense.

It kind of means when we finally do pick a stud in the Top 10 because of luck we’d be able to supplement the roster with later picks and actually build a team

In theory

[HEZI]

Whatever they do, it needs to be a refresh. I'd much rather trade a pick or two to feature a good young core than to bring in some scorer to "help" Randle and Fournier. No.

It can't be their regime though. They were brought in to bring on named players.

If the refresh is about developing and drafting young players. Thibs and Leon and crew aren't it.

The high usage vets on this team need more developing than some of the young players. It would be easier on Thibs too if we got rid of them.

[Richard4444]

Randle is in a tough spot.

He is an offensive player.

If he forces his way in the defensive end. He only will make silly fouls and let his man open trying to help some teammate. He does not have great defensive skills, defensive IQ, or awareness to be a plus defender.

In the offense, his shots are not falling. He is anxious and insecure. If he forces his way, he only makes silly turnovers, brick shots, and silly offensive fouls.

He should only try open shots and easy passes while he is playing this badly. He should let other players carry the offensive burden. But it's a difficult task when you have Fournier and a zero offense center by your side.

[Capn'O]

I didn't see the melo heel turn on randle coming

Bad news for my pursuit of Bam this offseason.

no way im breaking up my twin towers of bam and ayton

You would if you had to.

[Spree2Houston]

Which team would be interested in Randle ? Maybe the Mavs could be interested in him.

[thebuzzardman]

Call me a homer but Grimes, RJ and Obi all fit together.

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[3toheadmelo]

Bad news for my pursuit of Bam this offseason.

no way im breaking up my twin towers of bam and ayton

You would if you had to.

im all ears for sign and trades!!!

[thebuzzardman]

fournier to snell.....well damn

Unfair. Snell plays defense.

[mpharris36]

Whatever they do, it needs to be a refresh. I'd much rather trade a pick or two to feature a good young core than to bring in some scorer to "help" Randle and Fournier. No.

It can't be their regime though. They were brought in to bring on named players.

If the refresh is about developing and drafting young players. Thibs and Leon and crew aren't it.

The high usage vets on this team need more developing than some of the young players. It would be easier on Thibs too if we got rid of them.

There entire off-season was to make it easier on randle and give him more options.

Kemba
Fournier
randle
Noel

That's over 50mm of horrible contracts

Rose and Burks the only 2 that were decent signings.

It was a complete **** show of an off-season. And we blocked out young guys by doing it too.

[Clyde_Style]

You have to trade Randle during this trade window

He is such a moody little fcker he will drag down this locker room into the pits of hell if he stays

Sure, that’s tank magic, but I don’t want to torture the only good talents left on the team

[Deeeez Knicks]

FO better at drafting than signing players

It's been this way since Isiah. We also draft better in the late 1st and 2nd than we do in the lottery. It makes no sense.

And even with that we haven't kept anyone since Charlie Ward. Its hard to understand any of this