OT: NBA 2K23 is a hate crime against gamers.

[Chronz]

Glad to see someone complaining.

I don't play it, but my 15 yr old kid does.
He just asked me the other day if he could spend $50 in VC

We just learned a few years ago what VC is and how these companies use it to drain bank accounts.
This is on top of the $100 he already paid for the game. Don't forget the $20 you pay monthly for the xbox subscription.

and this on top of the $100 + Who knows how much VC he spent Last Year for the last NBA 2K22

It's a total racket. I can't believe they get away with this and we buy into the scam.

Pac Man never needed VC!!!!

Pacman needed quarters No, but seriously, if you buy VC, you are the problem, do not do it, F those publishers!

Pacman or a form of it at least, actually came free in a few consoles iirc

[CharityStripe34]

There's only one basketball video game that matters.

[Ruma85]

I wish they'd put more effort into all of the modes, especially things like 'MyLeague' - it would be really cool to see some type of storyline for that or something. MyPlayer has never caught my interest

They have this year & the year before.

Personally, the last thing I want in myleague or mygm is storyline. Myplayer was the biggest joke ever to me way before they introduced city mechanics, the story and cutscenes where always unbearable.
I am a guy who is all about the simulation aspect. I check every box score, every rumor, just get immersed into simulation aspect of the game. I wish they made stuff like player personalities matter far more, now you can see who is suppose to be loyal, who is suppose to be all about money, but I never really noticed a difference. I wish they had serious negative personality badges, but they will never do it, because they dont want to upset players and their twitter accounts these days, thats where we are as species...

And I know I have been told that stamina carries over between games, but I never noticed that. Make fatigue really important, like in FIFA games. In FIFA you need to manage your rotations unless your players become unplayable because they got no stamina anymore. Fatigue in NBA just doesnt work that way, you will play guys all 82 games and never feel any difference. Stupid thing about fatigue in this dumb game, is that it recovers after every break, which would make sense, but there is no dynamic cap, so if you play over time, the more over times you play, the less players get tired, because intermission recovers more stamina than OT consumes. This is the same thing like 100% success rate shots, like some aspect of the game is good, but some are so stupid, you really need to be an idiot to make it.

All in all, you couldnt pay me to play online, but off line, you still have to have gentlemen rules v AI, because you can always put 6'9 wing at PG, and AI never knows how to deal with it. In FIFA, you relaly have no exploits like that, but in NBA, you could always win if you really wanted, you just need to play by gentleman rules, you need effort from yourself to immerse in a game.

Great post!!, i wish they would implement things from Fifa & Pes, Funny you. mention fatigue & personality, i'm 6 games in mynba with the lakers & i made a trade to move Beverley and i was surprised it asked me are you sure you want to trade a mentor also saw after 6 games into the season guys fitness levels go up & down this year, which seems to affect your on court performance.

[UcanUwill]

Great post!!, i wish they would implement things from Fifa & Pes, Funny you. mention fatigue & personality, i'm 6 games in mynba with the lakers & i made a trade to move Beverley and i was surprised it asked me are you sure you want to trade a mentor also saw after 6 games into the season guys fitness levels go up & down this year, which seems to affect your on court performance.

I havent played latest 2k, so I wont speak, but I think recent NBAs have really weird simulation. Some rosters that are good - suck, and some rosters that are not very good, are dominant. I understand that they now have all those player tendencies, and testing and balancing that crap out is very hard, but in the past games, you knew by looking at rosters, who will be great and who wont, with NBA 2k22, it is not exactly like that.

In my first year of NBA 2k22 myleague, Minnesotta won NBA championship, with KAT, Antman and D'Angelo, dominating. I believe they were like 6th. or 7th. seed, but they did it. That was quite a reach.
Second year was interesting. Pelicans became dominant force, so did OKC after signing Time Lord, who is good in a game, 81 or so overall with great defensive ratings. Funny thing was, Luka had dominant stats and was MVP, basically a 36 ppg triple double. But ZIon was insane in the play offs, Dallas and Pelicans meat in second round, Zion drops a 71 point game, an all time Play off record. ANd next game - 10 minutes into a game Zion gets injured, done for season. Seem like an easy route for Dallas. But guess what, they choke and lose 4 in a row to basically Valanciunas and BI. At the end, my Knicks Lose to Detroit in Eastern Conference finals, I didnt believe it, but I was kinda happy, because I felt if I win championshiop, the entire mode is not interesting anymore, I set sliders SO BAD into AI favor, I lose, I lose one game after Mitchell RObinson who was at Detroit by that point, drains a freaking 3 to send game to overtime, I think when that happens, I am good with losing... At the end, OKC vins NBA finals over Detroit.

But By talent, I just do not feel it should have happened, it seems too random to me. ANd By the way, Lakers SUCKED hard in my run.

As I said, FIFA ruined my PC. I now try to recover the files that were deleted, I reallly hope I get my NBA, Eldenring and Witcher 3 saves back, cause damn it... I kinda hate sports games, but I can't help myself, it is just my jam, i Follow all gaming news, but try out like one real game a year.
But I appreaciate how much customization those singple player modes still have in 2k, you can really make the league your own. When you compare myleague mode to FIFA's manager mode, manager mode is a complete sham. I could write an even much longer posts than these on what I think of Manager mode, but thats all I play still, it is just the best I could get, there is no alternative.

[TheHartBreakKid]

I too, hate this VC trend and as a result I've never bothered with my Player Online or Offline.

My favorite things to do in 2K, as someone who is turning 31 who has played 2k since I was 13:

- Play 1 on 1 with my friends. I'm not talking about random one on ones. I'm talking about elaborate tourneys, where sometimes we control multiple teams, different draft conditions, etc. Unfortunately I rarely get to do that anymore due to everyone being so busy.

- MyLeague mode- Even to this day, I unwind with MyLeague, and while 2k has a really impressive customization with MyLeague, I wish they would improve it even further.

Things I like to do in MyLeague the rare times I get the chance:

- Do a franchise mode and use historical draft classes moving forward
- Replay a specific player's career while controlling the whole team
- Creating a player and playing locked in the player, while turning on settings that allow me to control the Player's choices, while automating the choices of the team's. It's my version of a less corny, more customizable, player mode
- Controlling 2 rival teams in each conference and trying to dominate the league with the 2 teams. Simulate finals games if both teams made it
-etc

Unfortunately, 2K's options for what I like to do have had minmally improved over the years. Yes, setting customization for MyLeague is probably the best in sports video games...better than Fifa and Madden. They have added neat little features like rellocation, ability to control multiple teams, etc throughout the years, but they have been far and in between in recent years.

Things I wish they would add, which honestly wouldn't be that difficult to do:

- Elaborate financial system that goes beyond just the salary cap. I'm talking about budgets based on revenue, financial goals, etc. They attempted this with myGM, but it was truly corny and storyline driven, vs a geniune challenge.
- Realistic player growth system- Kind of like Fifa. The Potential rating is there, but it's far less concrete and depends on play time and performance. In 2k, a 99 potential player ride the bench as your 12th man and still grow to that level. Performance/Game time having minimal effects through the chemistry ratings, but they are irrelevant in terms of player growth/asset management
-Goes hand in hand with the above, but regarding player trade values and free agency demands. If you somehow manage to average 30/10/10 with a 75 rated player, the rest of the league will only value him based on the 75 rating, both in free agency and trades. Fifa does a way better job than this, as the overall rating is more dynamic, and performance atleast somewhat effects the market.
- The ability to play historical seasons, or resume the league from a certain date in the past. Yes they have historical draft classes, and some historical teams, but I'm talking about the ability to start a MyLeague as of 2004, with the rosters set to 2004 rosters, and continuing from that point. Might be too much too ask regarding file sizes, player licenses, etc, but def doable in newer systems.
-Ability to reset/customize record books. If I'm doing a new MyLeague starting with rookie Lebron, I don't want 2 Lebrons in the record books by the time I'm done.


- Lastly, an offline my player mode without the gimmicks and cartoonish stories, and VC.

I understand I'm probably in the small majority who enjoys the game offline, and these changes probably aren't worth it to 2k, but I think these changes would be relatively easy to make, and would appeal to the older generation of fans.

When I do play now, I'm paying a 2 year outdated version of 2k that was like 19.99 in the microsoft store. Improved offline play, and I would probably buy the new game each year depending on the added features.

[TravisScott55]

2k has no competition so it just delivers a terrible product year after year

[Antinomy]

Glad to see someone complaining.

I don't play it, but my 15 yr old kid does.
He just asked me the other day if he could spend $50 in VC

We just learned a few years ago what VC is and how these companies use it to drain bank accounts.
This is on top of the $100 he already paid for the game. Don't forget the $20 you pay monthly for the xbox subscription.

and this on top of the $100 + Who knows how much VC he spent Last Year for the last NBA 2K22

It's a total racket. I can't believe they get away with this and we buy into the scam.

Pac Man never needed VC!!!!

Wait till you find out about the MyTeam mode, where it’s literally an arms race to see who can spend the most money to get the best players & build their roster.

[Antinomy]

2k has no competition so it just delivers a terrible product year after year

NBA Live ducking out 8 years ago was the worst thing to happen to the basketball video game landscape.

The same thing happened to Madden & FIFA.

[UcanUwill]

- Lastly, an offline my player mode without the gimmicks and cartoonish stories, and VC.

I understand I'm probably in the small majority who enjoys the game offline, and these changes probably aren't worth it to 2k, but I think these changes would be relatively easy to make, and would appeal to the older generation of fans.

I am completely with you man. Personally, this will be even more minority thing, but I wish myplayer was freaking hard. Current My player, even without VC and cringey story forced onto, I mean I thought it suppose to be ''MY PLAYER'', but you always forced to play some kind of voiced idiot... but what I mean, even without that stuff, the mode is terrible because of how easy it is. It provides zero challenge, you always become a GOAT within a year, like what fun is that? I have seen guys who put this garbage on youtube, and 30 games in they are 95 ovr or something.
To me, it would be fun if the game was freaking unforgiving, like if it was hard to just be a starter and it was really skill based, where only best gamers could be superstars, but average joe could just role play as roleplayer and would have that challenge keep hanging over his head to become a star. SeriouslY, I dont get the fun of you putting 60 point tripple doubles in your rookie season, maybe it changed, but thats how it was the last time I played those modes, it was freaking joke.

Personally, as a huge Euro and FIBA basketball fan, I just always wanted a basketball version of FIFA. A game with all main international leagues, national team play, stuff like that. But I understand basketball is just not popular enough for that sadly. What I dont understand, is that years ago, they had Euroleague teams in game, and even tho rosters sucked, but they had that, but they never integrated those teams into simulation modes. Like seriously, half the job was done, license was paid, imagine if you played myleague, and there were 2 leagues being simmed simultaneously, euro league and NBA. Maybe if you wanted, you could control Euro team. What if Euro teams generated young players based on appropriate nationalities, and they played in real games that you check out and even scout, and then you could draft those players during the draft. Wouldn't that be more fun? But I understand it would take developing time that cost money, why do that when they can just do new face scan, update roster and collect their 800 million dollars because we have this crap addiction.

[OrlMagic05]

I used to buy this game religiously and would go to the midnight releases so I could play it all night, but they started to focus on my player way too much. I learned my lesson from the last year and didnt buy this years game.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

I've stopped buying 2k or any other sports games that have AI weighting for players to make them "realistic".

I play these games to test my skill against others and all the weighting algorithms do is drive me crazy that it doesn't matter if I'm executing my skills correctly, it will sometimes succeed and sometimes not based on something completely out of my control.

Not to mention the grinding etc.

I'll stick to the more arcade versions of sports games.

[Ruma85]

Great post!!, i wish they would implement things from Fifa & Pes, Funny you. mention fatigue & personality, i'm 6 games in mynba with the lakers & i made a trade to move Beverley and i was surprised it asked me are you sure you want to trade a mentor also saw after 6 games into the season guys fitness levels go up & down this year, which seems to affect your on court performance.

I havent played latest 2k, so I wont speak, but I think recent NBAs have really weird simulation. Some rosters that are good - suck, and some rosters that are not very good, are dominant. I understand that they now have all those player tendencies, and testing and balancing that crap out is very hard, but in the past games, you knew by looking at rosters, who will be great and who wont, with NBA 2k22, it is not exactly like that.

In my first year of NBA 2k22 myleague, Minnesotta won NBA championship, with KAT, Antman and D'Angelo, dominating. I believe they were like 6th. or 7th. seed, but they did it. That was quite a reach.
Second year was interesting. Pelicans became dominant force, so did OKC after signing Time Lord, who is good in a game, 81 or so overall with great defensive ratings. Funny thing was, Luka had dominant stats and was MVP, basically a 36 ppg triple double. But ZIon was insane in the play offs, Dallas and Pelicans meat in second round, Zion drops a 71 point game, an all time Play off record. ANd next game - 10 minutes into a game Zion gets injured, done for season. Seem like an easy route for Dallas. But guess what, they choke and lose 4 in a row to basically Valanciunas and BI. At the end, my Knicks Lose to Detroit in Eastern Conference finals, I didnt believe it, but I was kinda happy, because I felt if I win championshiop, the entire mode is not interesting anymore, I set sliders SO BAD into AI favor, I lose, I lose one game after Mitchell RObinson who was at Detroit by that point, drains a freaking 3 to send game to overtime, I think when that happens, I am good with losing... At the end, OKC vins NBA finals over Detroit.

But By talent, I just do not feel it should have happened, it seems too random to me. ANd By the way, Lakers SUCKED hard in my run.

As I said, FIFA ruined my PC. I now try to recover the files that were deleted, I reallly hope I get my NBA, Eldenring and Witcher 3 saves back, cause damn it... I kinda hate sports games, but I can't help myself, it is just my jam, i Follow all gaming news, but try out like one real game a year.
But I appreaciate how much customization those singple player modes still have in 2k, you can really make the league your own. When you compare myleague mode to FIFA's manager mode, manager mode is a complete sham. I could write an even much longer posts than these on what I think of Manager mode, but thats all I play still, it is just the best I could get, there is no alternative.

Manager as in football manager is the best sim sports game over anything 2k has so far.

[Adelheid]

stop buying nba 2k games

hit them where it hurts

[F N 11]

Welcome to the free world. It’s called marketing. I just lay vs my son.

[Lala870]

Ive been having a blast playing 2k playgrounds 2.

Just pick that up instead

[Lala870]

that jesus bynum thing really finished off nba live lol

Still one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Watch on YouTube

Ironically when I've played 2k in the past this is what I felt like playing it lol. Always felt like there is massive input delay when playing 2k

I've always preferred NBA live. I thought live 19 was decent

Kinda f'ed though making the whole meme about Jesus when he's doing the T Pose

[DwayneSchintzus]

Things I wish they would add, which honestly wouldn't be that difficult to do:

- The ability to play historical seasons, or resume the league from a certain date in the past. Yes they have historical draft classes, and some historical teams, but I'm talking about the ability to start a MyLeague as of 2004, with the rosters set to 2004 rosters, and continuing from that point. Might be too much too ask regarding file sizes, player licenses, etc, but def doable in newer systems.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/in-nba-2k23-mynba-eras-lets-you-change-basketball-history/1100-6506602/

I enjoy it quite a bit, but I only practice and play MyLeague. I treat the whole thing like a sandbox mode, there are issues with it but as a 46-year old, this game is beyond my wildest childhood dreams!

I started in the Atari era and never could imagine the amount of depth and customization the game has.

[chrisab123]

Rather watch Shaq shoot free throws than buy this game full of Micro Transactions

[chrisab123]

Great post!!, i wish they would implement things from Fifa & Pes, Funny you. mention fatigue & personality, i'm 6 games in mynba with the lakers & i made a trade to move Beverley and i was surprised it asked me are you sure you want to trade a mentor also saw after 6 games into the season guys fitness levels go up & down this year, which seems to affect your on court performance.

I havent played latest 2k, so I wont speak, but I think recent NBAs have really weird simulation. Some rosters that are good - suck, and some rosters that are not very good, are dominant. I understand that they now have all those player tendencies, and testing and balancing that crap out is very hard, but in the past games, you knew by looking at rosters, who will be great and who wont, with NBA 2k22, it is not exactly like that.

In my first year of NBA 2k22 myleague, Minnesotta won NBA championship, with KAT, Antman and D'Angelo, dominating. I believe they were like 6th. or 7th. seed, but they did it. That was quite a reach.
Second year was interesting. Pelicans became dominant force, so did OKC after signing Time Lord, who is good in a game, 81 or so overall with great defensive ratings. Funny thing was, Luka had dominant stats and was MVP, basically a 36 ppg triple double. But ZIon was insane in the play offs, Dallas and Pelicans meat in second round, Zion drops a 71 point game, an all time Play off record. ANd next game - 10 minutes into a game Zion gets injured, done for season. Seem like an easy route for Dallas. But guess what, they choke and lose 4 in a row to basically Valanciunas and BI. At the end, my Knicks Lose to Detroit in Eastern Conference finals, I didnt believe it, but I was kinda happy, because I felt if I win championshiop, the entire mode is not interesting anymore, I set sliders SO BAD into AI favor, I lose, I lose one game after Mitchell RObinson who was at Detroit by that point, drains a freaking 3 to send game to overtime, I think when that happens, I am good with losing... At the end, OKC vins NBA finals over Detroit.

But By talent, I just do not feel it should have happened, it seems too random to me. ANd By the way, Lakers SUCKED hard in my run.

As I said, FIFA ruined my PC. I now try to recover the files that were deleted, I reallly hope I get my NBA, Eldenring and Witcher 3 saves back, cause damn it... I kinda hate sports games, but I can't help myself, it is just my jam, i Follow all gaming news, but try out like one real game a year.
But I appreaciate how much customization those singple player modes still have in 2k, you can really make the league your own. When you compare myleague mode to FIFA's manager mode, manager mode is a complete sham. I could write an even much longer posts than these on what I think of Manager mode, but thats all I play still, it is just the best I could get, there is no alternative.

Manager as in football manager is the best sim sports game over anything 2k has so far.

Football Manager is incredible. Out of the park sports is good and hell Fire Pro Wrestling will always have a spot in my heart too. All have in common? No major promotion or backing.

[sp6r=underrated]

someone who is turning 31 who has played 2k since I was 13:

- Play 1 on 1 with my friends. I'm not talking about random one on ones. I'm talking about elaborate tourneys, where sometimes we control multiple teams, different draft conditions, etc. Unfortunately I rarely get to do that anymore due to everyone being so busy.

Yup, I will say now that I'm well into adulthood I understand why so much of culture caters to people 15-24. At 15-24 you start having money because you're working, parents, taking out loans and have tons of time. Because of that everyone's social circle is larger and the realm of potential people to do stuff like Saturday basketball tournaments is easy.

But even once you hit the late mid-20s it dives off quickly. People are married/quasi married, kids, real jobs, need to save. And even if you're in a personal spot were you have time the potential # of people to do stuff with is way lower. Because of that even though 31 yr olds have way more cash than 21 yr olds they just matter way less to pop culture.

You're not going to be hosting Saturday basketball tournaments.

I also think this is why we see old people have a lot of culture that caters to them too (national tv, cable news, tourism). Like teenagers they have a ton of time. Unlike teenagers they also have money. But the money is balanced out by far lower energy levels.

Back to 2k, I remember last year was a rough time for me: dad passed, long-time relationship ended, covid restrictions still tight were I live. So i picked up to Madden to kill time. I almost always played alone (85%+) because of my friends have kids and understandably holding a controller for 3 hrs isn't in the cards. And because of that I quickly lost interest in it. Because video games to me are social activities not solitary