Sean Marks and Jacque Vaughn should be fired.

[CalamityX12]

There is NFW the Nets are bringing in a new coach this summer.

none, it would be terrible after extending Vaughn so foolishly and prematurely.... should've stick to the 2 yr plan originally thus having an out when someone of proper improvement came a long.

Whoa... I'd previously thought that Jacques had been extended before KD&KI were traded (which would have made total sense to me), but no.. looks like he got his new contract around Feb 20th. Not sure where my brain fart came from.

While I agree it would have been a bit awkward letting JV coach out the vast bulk of the season as an interim, I also agree it was still premature to extend him. It's something that should have been decided this summer, not in the middle of a broken season.

So I was wrong. This one's looking like a distinct Marks gaffe at the moment.

oh yea i couldn't forget it. It happened at the all star break....

Our team wasn't exactly lighting it up entering into the break and then bam, that news flash/update etc.... came on and i was like, JFC WTF are you doing?? ranting in the air reaction...

then on cue to make matters and knee jerk reactionists like me seem more valid, our team play after the break was just as bad or worse before the extension... all this after the whole Udoka shelving and seeing Snyder not even approached(free at the time).

[3pt_chucker]

Too far?

During that 5 game losing streak we were 1 loss away from 14 spot, 2 and a half from 11th lotto pick with only 8 games. Could've easily did what everyone else done. Play Bridges for 20 min and than send him to the locker for precaution reasons. Them bums wouldn't be winning jack sh**.

It was malpractice that Marks literally did nothing after the KD trade.

Could've traded Joe and Seth for literally anything and even had an offer on the table of 2 picks for DFS.

Keeping all 3 was a bad decision in real time (check the thread when this happened) and in hindsight it looks even worse.

Now instead, Curry will walk for nothing, Joe's is a bad player on an expiring and DFS value has tanked. Nets should've leaned into the young players(see what we had in CamT, Sumner, Yuta) and tanked to get a lottery pick. Instead the Nets did nothing only to be predictably embarrassingly swept in the playoffs.

This is the GM y'all trust. SMH

you think someone was trading for joe harris? how many picks were you attaching?

I could see a team like the Cavs trading 2nds for him, yes. That's better than nothing imo

[Netaman]

It was malpractice that Marks literally did nothing after the KD trade.

Could've traded Joe and Seth for literally anything and even had an offer on the table of 2 picks for DFS.

Keeping all 3 was a bad decision in real time (check the thread when this happened) and in hindsight it looks even worse.

Now instead, Curry will walk for nothing, Joe's is a bad player on an expiring and DFS value has tanked. Nets should've leaned into the young players(see what we had in CamT, Sumner, Yuta) and tanked to get a lottery pick. Instead the Nets did nothing only to be predictably embarrassingly swept in the playoffs.

This is the GM y'all trust. SMH

you think someone was trading for joe harris? how many picks were you attaching?

I could see a team like the Cavs trading 2nds for him, yes. That's better than nothing imo

NO CHANCE anyone was taking on that contract without a FRP attached.

[MrDollarBills]

What was I thinking hoping we go after Snyder when we had Nash

I'm such a fool!

Don't worry, if we stick with the same losers that oversaw the most disastrous failure in NBA history, I'm sure things will change for the better.

What was the definition of insanity? Marks can't even build a roster that isn't compromised due to size or hire a head coach worth a goddamn, but these folks expect things to get better. What a joke all of this is.

Its like... passing up on the Udoka's or others for Nash was a such a high risk and bam we lost out big time. Then seeing someone with actual history and solid resume like Snyder who brings actual coaching and a system that wins(and loses sure w.e) being passed or not even interested in.... yet a team goes for him during mid season and has them looking more competent and actually took 2 games in a playoff series in the same year.

Vaughn as a HC is 0-8 in the playoffs... he don't know how to win games man.........

Right, meanwhile we were brutally swept and folks are telling us we're crazy for wanting a new direction in the front office.



Vaughn's going to get fired mid season next year. It's not a matter of if. He doesn't know how to tailor an offense to the talent he has available. He was literally running sets meant for Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving for Spencer Dinwiddie while Mikal stands in a corner.

I'm of the belief that a GM should only be allowed two coaches during their tenure. You shouldn't get a 3rd try to find the right fit. Marks should have been fired right along with Nash.

The owner pays luxury tax, but all I see is one poverty franchise move after another.

You think Pat Riley would have hired Steve Nash to oversee a championship contender? Or wouldn't have tossed Kyrie's bitch ass in the street the moment he started acting up??

I see zero reason as to why Marks should be employed by this team. Zero.

[MrDollarBills]

James Harden said one of the reasons that he bailed on the Nets is because there was no structure in place. But sure, Marks is an all time GOAT GM, right? We lost two top 75 all time players in the span of 1 and a half years because the GM and Owner were too pussy to put Kyrie Irving in his place and side with Harden over him.

[MrDollarBills]

With all due respect MDB, you're getting yourself completely riled up for nothing. To state that the Harden trades went down as above is completely stripping them of all relevant context.

Main points you're omitting:

- KD&KI started complaining ~one month in to their first season on court that they needed more star power.
- Beard wanted to come here, unfortunately we got in to a bidding war with Philly.
- ~95% of fan base & analysts seemed to think the trade was a success and a reasonable risk based on how it dramatically opened the title window for the next couple years.
- When Beard wanted out a year later, his value was unfortunately tanked, and the cold hard truth is that Morey absolutely bailed the Nets out getting what we did as a return.
- Simmons wasn't known to have a herniated disc at the time, and seemed like quite a solid get indeed. He could still turn out that way now that his surgery-recovery period is nearing an end.

Yes, I believe Marks did overpaid for Harden, but beyond that, to blame him for how things turned out simply isn't reality IMO. It also fits in to the fan narrative of blaming Marks for things he had no control over or for calculated gambles he took which those same fans supported when they went down.

And hiring Steve Nash? Is he also absolved from that?

I'm sorry friends, but Sean Marks oversaw one of the biggest failures in NBA history. He's not above reproach.

Not to change the subject or anything.

But yeah, firing Kenny & replacing him with Nash has gotta be in my top five worst Marks moves, which looks something like this, I guess:

- Signing Kyrie & KD (let's not forget a 4yr Durant contract was a hugely risky shot at the time)
- Way overpaying for Harden (classic Prokhorov move written all over it)
- Firing Kenny, replacing with Nash
- Letting Bruce Brown walk
- Accommodating KD&KI by giving a disastrous contract to DeJordan

I'm not gonna critique him much for the offer sheets to mediocre players, because the Nets had beaucoup cap room and needed to take some shots on whatever decent FA prospects they could at the time.

What else am I forgetting...?

Signing KD wasn't a mistake, but it didn't lead to anything good aside from gutting Phoenix's draft capital. It is what it is, but I won't blame Marks for that part.

You know who was happy the Nets let Bruce Brown walk? Bruce Brown. He's a contributing rotation player on a contender playing with Nikola Jokic, a multi time MVP and someone who makes everyone around him better.

[MrDollarBills]

simple question, in 2021 did marks assemble a championship roster if not for injuries?

I'm not into the "ifs" game. Marks failed. The injuries are an excuse in 2021 but what about after that?

the "ifs game" in this case is using the bare minimum of neurons to discuss what happened with context beyond the reading level of a 7 year old looking at win loss records and declaring the suns the best team in the nba last year just because they won the most games.

the "after that" in your question was just 1.5 seasons, and both were also derailed by KD injuries that took him out for over a month.

year 2 with all the vax nonsense honestly who knows what they were? i dont think the big 3 played a single game together.

this year they were looking pretty damn good and competing even without KD until kyrie went kyrie and demanded the trade.

so in total in the 2.5 seasons of KD post-achilles return, year 1 they were definitively a championship level team even with all the injuries (including dinwiddie tearing an ACL game 1 which was really the biggest trigger for the harden trade). the other 2 years they had a chance but injuries/drama sabotaged both teams.

which in all honesty shouldn't be such a surprise to anyone but that 7 year old who is clueless as to the concept of risk. KD was old and coming off a major injury his entire time here and it's not like he's shaq or even lebron - he had never won a ring away from GSW. Harden was out of shape and clearly regressing in houston - where he was also considered a loser in the playoffs. kyrie missed 2 or 3 playoffs for his various teams before he ever signed with the nets. all 3 of them carried big flags and at the end of the day those risks all came to life before they could keep it together long enough to get a ring together. they also all self-sabotaged because if they'd stayed together they would have a better chance today than they do where they currently are. sometimes you just cant help people help themselves from projecting their emotions on their decision making in a way that may feel good in the moment but only hurts themselves longer term. firing marks would be one of those poor projections of emotion because there's a 90%+ chance the next guy would be worse than him and we have 0 evidence that Tsai would be good at beating those odds (see nets ceo search).

You're calling someone else a 7 year old, while lobbing insults like a child, because I don't share your rosy vision of Sean Marks' horrible tenure as Nets GM?

anyway, seems like you wrote all that to convince yourself that Marks doesn't suck at his job. Whatever makes you happy my man.

[ChuckS]

It was malpractice that Marks literally did nothing after the KD trade.

Could've traded Joe and Seth for literally anything and even had an offer on the table of 2 picks for DFS.

Keeping all 3 was a bad decision in real time (check the thread when this happened) and in hindsight it looks even worse.

Now instead, Curry will walk for nothing, Joe's is a bad player on an expiring and DFS value has tanked. Nets should've leaned into the young players(see what we had in CamT, Sumner, Yuta) and tanked to get a lottery pick. Instead the Nets did nothing only to be predictably embarrassingly swept in the playoffs.

This is the GM y'all trust. SMH

you think someone was trading for joe harris? how many picks were you attaching?

I could see a team like the Cavs trading 2nds for him, yes. That's better than nothing imo

Marks really could do nothing after the KD trade because, if memory serves me, it was just hours before the trade deadline I believe they saw a need for Curry after losing Kyrie just a few days earlier, so had not considered trading him, although they probably could have earlier. It is my belief that no one wanted Joe, and probably will not until close to next years deadline, when his expiring becomes a value.

With such time constraints, I thought it was a herculean effort, and all time consuming, to accomplish as much as he did with the forced trades. I must admit, however, that I had similar thoughts about not getting below the repeater tax when they were so close -- until thinking about it again, just now, as a result of this thread.

But I could be wrong.

[Netaman]

I'm not into the "ifs" game. Marks failed. The injuries are an excuse in 2021 but what about after that?

the "ifs game" in this case is using the bare minimum of neurons to discuss what happened with context beyond the reading level of a 7 year old looking at win loss records and declaring the suns the best team in the nba last year just because they won the most games.

the "after that" in your question was just 1.5 seasons, and both were also derailed by KD injuries that took him out for over a month.

year 2 with all the vax nonsense honestly who knows what they were? i dont think the big 3 played a single game together.

this year they were looking pretty damn good and competing even without KD until kyrie went kyrie and demanded the trade.

so in total in the 2.5 seasons of KD post-achilles return, year 1 they were definitively a championship level team even with all the injuries (including dinwiddie tearing an ACL game 1 which was really the biggest trigger for the harden trade). the other 2 years they had a chance but injuries/drama sabotaged both teams.

which in all honesty shouldn't be such a surprise to anyone but that 7 year old who is clueless as to the concept of risk. KD was old and coming off a major injury his entire time here and it's not like he's shaq or even lebron - he had never won a ring away from GSW. Harden was out of shape and clearly regressing in houston - where he was also considered a loser in the playoffs. kyrie missed 2 or 3 playoffs for his various teams before he ever signed with the nets. all 3 of them carried big flags and at the end of the day those risks all came to life before they could keep it together long enough to get a ring together. they also all self-sabotaged because if they'd stayed together they would have a better chance today than they do where they currently are. sometimes you just cant help people help themselves from projecting their emotions on their decision making in a way that may feel good in the moment but only hurts themselves longer term. firing marks would be one of those poor projections of emotion because there's a 90%+ chance the next guy would be worse than him and we have 0 evidence that Tsai would be good at beating those odds (see nets ceo search).

You're calling someone else a 7 year old, while lobbing insults like a child, because I don't share your rosy vision of Sean Marks' horrible tenure as Nets GM?

anyway, seems like you wrote all that to convince yourself that Marks doesn't suck at his job. Whatever makes you happy my man.

i don't need to convince myself of anything. you may not agree with this but the day KD chose the nets over the knicks was honestly probably the most significant accomplishment any gm of this franchise could have ever achieved, with the only possible exception being a championship, which he would have also accomplished if not for injuries. he took over a team that was no hyperbole considered the most doomed franchise in all pro sports, and for good reason, and now they've made the playoffs 5 years in a row out of 7 years. 1 more year and they match the kidd teams rod thorn built, who i also thought was an exceptional gm that got taken for granted.

this is also no revisionist history - kd for bridges and max picks is the package i wanted him to take from my very first post after kd demanded the trade.

Re: Breaking: Kevin Durant has requested a trade - Shams Post#58 » by Netaman » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:10 pm
gotta be honest i really like that Suns package. bummed about the glitch for Bam, but I have always like Bridges. I wanted to trade up for him in that draft. Ayton is whatever without KD still here but that's a legit team so at least Houston wont be getting top 5 picks.

Simmons
Seth
Brown / Harris
Bridges
Ayton

shoot kyrie to the moon and im excited about next year and what they decide to do with all their new picks.

you are the one who seems intent on convincing yourself that not winning a championship in 1 of 2 postseasons with KD is some red line that's indisputable with no gray area, a black and white fireable offense despite any possible context. which is your choice, it just seems bizarre that you've been so triggered by a very predictable playoff exit after the consensus seems to be that the kd trade itself was a home run. and that kyrie is every bit as toxic as we figured he was to the point that dallas didnt even make the playoffs.

[MrDollarBills]

the "ifs game" in this case is using the bare minimum of neurons to discuss what happened with context beyond the reading level of a 7 year old looking at win loss records and declaring the suns the best team in the nba last year just because they won the most games.

the "after that" in your question was just 1.5 seasons, and both were also derailed by KD injuries that took him out for over a month.

year 2 with all the vax nonsense honestly who knows what they were? i dont think the big 3 played a single game together.

this year they were looking pretty damn good and competing even without KD until kyrie went kyrie and demanded the trade.

so in total in the 2.5 seasons of KD post-achilles return, year 1 they were definitively a championship level team even with all the injuries (including dinwiddie tearing an ACL game 1 which was really the biggest trigger for the harden trade). the other 2 years they had a chance but injuries/drama sabotaged both teams.

which in all honesty shouldn't be such a surprise to anyone but that 7 year old who is clueless as to the concept of risk. KD was old and coming off a major injury his entire time here and it's not like he's shaq or even lebron - he had never won a ring away from GSW. Harden was out of shape and clearly regressing in houston - where he was also considered a loser in the playoffs. kyrie missed 2 or 3 playoffs for his various teams before he ever signed with the nets. all 3 of them carried big flags and at the end of the day those risks all came to life before they could keep it together long enough to get a ring together. they also all self-sabotaged because if they'd stayed together they would have a better chance today than they do where they currently are. sometimes you just cant help people help themselves from projecting their emotions on their decision making in a way that may feel good in the moment but only hurts themselves longer term. firing marks would be one of those poor projections of emotion because there's a 90%+ chance the next guy would be worse than him and we have 0 evidence that Tsai would be good at beating those odds (see nets ceo search).

You're calling someone else a 7 year old, while lobbing insults like a child, because I don't share your rosy vision of Sean Marks' horrible tenure as Nets GM?

anyway, seems like you wrote all that to convince yourself that Marks doesn't suck at his job. Whatever makes you happy my man.

i don't need to convince myself of anything. you may not agree with this but the day KD chose the nets over the knicks was honestly probably the most significant accomplishment any gm of this franchise could have ever achieved,.

Fam...

The Knicks just beat the Cavs and are now in the 2nd round with a very legitimate chance to make the Eastern Conference Finals.

You sound crazy right now. KD choosing the Nets resulted in complete failure, and a good bit of that rests at his feet, and Marks/Tsai. They all should have told Kyrie to either cut the crap of be gone. They didn't, and let him drive this franchise into the toilet.

Marks has accomplished nothing.

[gigantes]

Signing KD wasn't a mistake, but it didn't lead to anything good aside from gutting Phoenix's draft capital. It is what it is, but I won't blame Marks for that part.

Go look it up, Bills.

I told you & I told you, & told y'all again it was a weird-ass idea.

It was a weird-ass idea, regardless of anything, and you just didn't listen.

You know who was happy the Nets let Bruce Brown walk? Bruce Brown. He's a contributing rotation player on a contender playing with Nikola Jokic, a multi time MVP and someone who makes everyone around him better.

Exactly, and I feel like a complete idea in terms of Bruce. Still, I love that dude, and let's go!

(when it comes to Fro & Caris, be me strange or whatever, still love ze awesome Bruce Brown)

[Riconet]

James Harden said one of the reasons that he bailed on the Nets is because there was no structure in place. But sure, Marks is an all time GOAT GM, right? We lost two top 75 all time players in the span of 1 and a half years because the GM and Owner were too pussy to put Kyrie Irving in his place and side with Harden over him.

This is way over the top and not supported by the facts.

They traded for Harden in 2021 when the bozo went AWOL and they realized they couldn't count on him.

They suspended the bozo for half the season in 2021-22 after he refused to get vaccinated, and only reinstated him when KD and Harden pushed for it.

They suspended the bozo again last season after the video debacle and publicly stated that he wasn't fit to be a member of the team.

They refused to give him a long-term contract multiple times.

I'm not sure why you think trading the bozo at the trade deadline in 2022 instead of Harden was a realistic alternative. That would've required (i) KD to be OK with it, (ii) someone else willing to take the bozo, including the PR hit that would've come with acquiring an anti-vaxxer at that point in time, with the cap space to make it happen and (iii) Harden to agree that he would stay if Kyrie left. That doesn't seem plausible.

No one here is happy about the outcome of the KD era. Signing the bozo in retrospect was an enormous mistake, even though it enabled them to sign KD. But I think pretty much everyone at the time felt it was a chance worth taking, and I don't think any GM could've delivered better results given the low ceiling imposed by having the bozo on the roster.

YMMV, of course.

[MrDollarBills]

James Harden said one of the reasons that he bailed on the Nets is because there was no structure in place. But sure, Marks is an all time GOAT GM, right? We lost two top 75 all time players in the span of 1 and a half years because the GM and Owner were too pussy to put Kyrie Irving in his place and side with Harden over him.

This is way over the top and not supported by the facts.

They traded for Harden in 2021 when the bozo went AWOL and they realized they couldn't count on him.

They suspended the bozo for half the season in 2021-22 after he refused to get vaccinated, and only reinstated him when KD and Harden pushed for it.

They suspended the bozo again last season after the video debacle and publicly stated that he wasn't fit to be a member of the team.

They refused to give him a long-term contract multiple times.

I'm not sure why you think trading the bozo at the trade deadline in 2022 instead of Harden was a realistic alternative. That would've required (i) KD to be OK with it, (ii) someone else willing to take the bozo, including the PR hit that would've come with acquiring an anti-vaxxer at that point in time, with the cap space to make it happen and (iii) Harden to agree that he would stay if Kyrie left. That doesn't seem plausible.

No one here is happy about the outcome of the KD era. Signing the bozo in retrospect was an enormous mistake, even though it enabled them to sign KD. But I think pretty much everyone at the time felt it was a chance worth taking, and I don't think any GM could've delivered better results given the low ceiling imposed by having the bozo on the roster.

YMMV, of course.

They should have made plans to ship bozo out as soon as Harden was acquired. They didn't because Durant is a coward and not a leader, and let bozo set the place on fire after the fact.

Everyone sucks here.

[Netaman]

Fam...

The Knicks just beat the Cavs and are now in the 2nd round with a very legitimate chance to make the Eastern Conference Finals.

You sound crazy right now. KD choosing the Nets resulted in complete failure, and a good bit of that rests at his feet, and Marks/Tsai. They all should have told Kyrie to either cut the crap of be gone. They didn't, and let him drive this franchise into the toilet.

Marks has accomplished nothing.

the knicks beating a mediocre cavs team has literally nothing to do with the nets. they made a great signing with brunson and thibs has always been a good coach who can get a lot of the right type of roster. other teams succeeding has no relation to the nets. you keep complaining about 5 straight years in the playoffs, this is the just the 2nd time the knicks are in the playoffs in the last decade and their first series win. and that's despite numerous top 10 picks. bc of billy king the nets haven't made a lotto pick since derrick favors in 2010.

the nets being the talk of the nba with national tv games galore for the last 3 years was an enormous leap forward from where this franchise has been. the fact that lillard, a top 75, may now want in even though it's a few months since kd left is a testament to the fact that this franchise isn't what it was before. that may or may not be the right move but the fact that it's a possibility is a lot different than when marks first got here and they couldnt get anyone except rfas to agree to contracts.

look at what marks has accomplished since 2016 with 0 picks and what the knicks have accomplished. it is not even a contest unless you are so blinded by 1 predictable series loss to the 76ers for the nets and a series win over cleveland, who also haven't made the playoffs or won a series since lebron left.

take a step back and have some perspective.

[3pt_chucker]

you think someone was trading for joe harris? how many picks were you attaching?

I could see a team like the Cavs trading 2nds for him, yes. That's better than nothing imo

NO CHANCE anyone was taking on that contract without a FRP attached.

Not true at all. Did you see the deal that happened at the deadline??

Harris contract is not that bad and he's an expiring next season.

[Netaman]

James Harden said one of the reasons that he bailed on the Nets is because there was no structure in place. But sure, Marks is an all time GOAT GM, right? We lost two top 75 all time players in the span of 1 and a half years because the GM and Owner were too pussy to put Kyrie Irving in his place and side with Harden over him.

This is way over the top and not supported by the facts.

They traded for Harden in 2021 when the bozo went AWOL and they realized they couldn't count on him.

They suspended the bozo for half the season in 2021-22 after he refused to get vaccinated, and only reinstated him when KD and Harden pushed for it.

They suspended the bozo again last season after the video debacle and publicly stated that he wasn't fit to be a member of the team.

They refused to give him a long-term contract multiple times.

I'm not sure why you think trading the bozo at the trade deadline in 2022 instead of Harden was a realistic alternative. That would've required (i) KD to be OK with it, (ii) someone else willing to take the bozo, including the PR hit that would've come with acquiring an anti-vaxxer at that point in time, with the cap space to make it happen and (iii) Harden to agree that he would stay if Kyrie left. That doesn't seem plausible.

No one here is happy about the outcome of the KD era. Signing the bozo in retrospect was an enormous mistake, even though it enabled them to sign KD. But I think pretty much everyone at the time felt it was a chance worth taking, and I don't think any GM could've delivered better results given the low ceiling imposed by having the bozo on the roster.

YMMV, of course.

100% accurate.

i'd add 1 other point, dinwiddie tore his acl in the first week of the healthy KD era. that in combination with the bozo going awol is what led to the Harden trade.

they knew what kyrie was and time and time again they tried to hedge against him. when they traded for harden he'd been one of the most durable and reliable players in the NBA. he was demanding a trade specifically to brooklyn.

there was no way to predict a kyrie rolled ankle and a harden pulled hammy would cost them a championship in 2021, and then kyrie going anti-vax would piss harden off to such a degree he demands a trade out. other than the fact that kyrie has the midas that's so strong that in less than 2 months he could tank a luka-led team entirely out of the playoff race including the play in.

kyrie cost them 3 championship runs.
kyrie gave them 3 possible championship runs by helping get KD.

there is no separating the nets getting the best player in franchise (nba) history from having to also bring along with him his literal and figurative achilles heels.

[3pt_chucker]

you think someone was trading for joe harris? how many picks were you attaching?

I could see a team like the Cavs trading 2nds for him, yes. That's better than nothing imo

Marks really could do nothing after the KD trade because, if memory serves me, it was just hours before the trade deadline I believe they saw a need for Curry after losing Kyrie just a few days earlier, so had not considered trading him, although they probably could have earlier. It is my belief that no one wanted Joe, and probably will not until close to next years deadline, when his expiring becomes a value.

With such time constraints, I thought it was a herculean effort, and all time consuming, to accomplish as much as he did with the forced trades. I must admit, however, that I had similar thoughts about not getting below the repeater tax when they were so close -- until thinking about it again, just now, as a result of this thread.

But I could be wrong.

He had ample time to make multiple trades. He just did nothing. A large number of trades happened at the deadline.

He had multiple offers but the Nets were closed for business. Marks decided to do nothing.

[Netaman]

I could see a team like the Cavs trading 2nds for him, yes. That's better than nothing imo

NO CHANCE anyone was taking on that contract without a FRP attached.

Not true at all. Did you see the deal that happened at the deadline??

Harris contract is not that bad and he's an expiring next season.

jae crowder was making half of what harris cost and he plays defense and he's not a playoff choker (did you see what joe harris shot again this playoff?). to move dedmon's 5m contract miami had to include a 2nd.

how many players making 18m or more got traded at the deadline?

pretty sure just conley, westbrook, dlo and they were all traded for each other.

luke kennard is probably the closest comp and the clippers took back gordon who is 34, makes more $, and they had to give up a 1st round pick swap that will cost them 10 spots this year (from pick 30 to 20) to do it.

[Riconet]

Not true at all. Did you see the deal that happened at the deadline??

Harris contract is not that bad and he's an expiring next season.

Serious question: which trade at the 2023 deadline was comparable to the Nets hypothetically trading Harris, who missed all of the prior season with injury, makes $18.75MM per year and, this year, averaged 20.6 minutes, 7.6 ppg, 2.2 rpg and 1.4 apg?

[Netaman]

I could see a team like the Cavs trading 2nds for him, yes. That's better than nothing imo

Marks really could do nothing after the KD trade because, if memory serves me, it was just hours before the trade deadline I believe they saw a need for Curry after losing Kyrie just a few days earlier, so had not considered trading him, although they probably could have earlier. It is my belief that no one wanted Joe, and probably will not until close to next years deadline, when his expiring becomes a value.

With such time constraints, I thought it was a herculean effort, and all time consuming, to accomplish as much as he did with the forced trades. I must admit, however, that I had similar thoughts about not getting below the repeater tax when they were so close -- until thinking about it again, just now, as a result of this thread.

But I could be wrong.

He had ample time to make multiple trades. He just did nothing. A large number of trades happened at the deadline.

He had multiple offers but the Nets were closed for business. Marks decided to do nothing.

what was the point in doing anything after the KD trade? we all knew the second he was gone they were no longer a contender.

even with him post-kyrie trade it was unlikely they were a true contender.

one kyrie demanded his trade, and certainly once kd was dealt, this season no longer mattered. it was about the future and specifically seeing what they got with bridges, cj, dfs, and even dinwiddie to see if they could be part of the new future or not.

giving up any future assets wouldn't have been smart.