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GP2 wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:

Scase wrote:I think the C's seeing that Dame trade, and now that they have JB on a supermax, understand that they need to go all in. It's not an overpay if it works, only if it completely backfires. Something our FO seems to be allergic to, the last 4 years.

Jrue is an atrocious playoff performer. He's like Demar levels of bad. Maybe he'll be a better fit on the Celtics, but I'm not seeing this as a huge positive for them right now.

I haven't seen the numbers, but is he? Was he not key in their championship run? Also, I vividly remember him completely owning Dame's Blazers back when he was on New Orleans, but that was a few years ago now. His postseason shooting numbers aren't that great to my knowledge.

Also seems strange that people are calling it an overpay? Brogdon and especially Robert Williams aren't exactly durable. Though you can tell Brad Stevens wish he got away with only dealing Brogdon for Porzingis before that deal fell through.

Hos defense alone in the playoffs won the bucks the chip.

Raps in 4 wrote:

Scase wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:That is a massive overpay. That package, with a swap thrown in, could have probably gotten them Lillard.

I think the C's seeing that Dame trade, and now that they have JB on a supermax, understand that they need to go all in. It's not an overpay if it works, only if it completely backfires. Something our FO seems to be allergic to, the last 4 years.

Jrue is an atrocious playoff performer. He's like Demar levels of bad. Maybe he'll be a better fit on the Celtics, but I'm not seeing this as a huge positive for them right now.

I think it's more about his defensive ability to lock down Dame in the ECF.

Brogdon has negative value, and those picks are very spaced out. Boston got off Brogdon's contract cheap. The continuity's going to get hammered in Boston though.

agkagk wrote:

ItsDanger wrote:Great value for Portland, I undervalued Jrue's trade return for sure.

Thats cause the media’s been attacking masai with rumors and undermining for years.


It effs with our perspectives.


This is a very very reassuring trade regarding fred, og and siakams true trade value.

Hopefully this opens peoples eyes to what happened with the fred trade rumors.

The Blazers just got 2 FRPs and some decent players (although injury-prone) for a 33 year-old expiring contract, who was just a salary thrown-in from their previous trade.

Masai says he didn't get any worthwhile offers for 29 year-old FVV. If Masai didn't get any worthwhile offers for FVV, maybe he didn't try hard enough to find them.

sbsat wrote:

GP2 wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:
Jrue is an atrocious playoff performer. He's like Demar levels of bad. Maybe he'll be a better fit on the Celtics, but I'm not seeing this as a huge positive for them right now.

I haven't seen the numbers, but is he? Was he not key in their championship run? Also, I vividly remember him completely owning Dame's Blazers back when he was on New Orleans, but that was a few years ago now. His postseason shooting numbers aren't that great to my knowledge.

Also seems strange that people are calling it an overpay? Brogdon and especially Robert Williams aren't exactly durable. Though you can tell Brad Stevens wish he got away with only dealing Brogdon for Porzingis before that deal fell through.

Hos defense alone in the playoffs won the bucks the chip.

The overpay is the 2 FRPs. That's a lot of draft capital to give up for a 33 year-old expiring contract.

Miami or Philly bout to trade for Siakam

Scizzup wrote:

DreamTeam09 wrote:

Scizzup wrote:
You have to go all in, championship windows ain't as open as people think.

As constructed they are better now than they were last year that is what matters. injuries is always a concern for everyone. Jrue is basically a better smart that can actually playmake even though he is not a good scorer in the playoffs. His impact numbers still speak for itself.

That's subjective, I have to take a wait and see approach. The last time the raps played them in the bubble, we lost cuz of Smart and Robert Williams.

They have now lost those two + grant Williams for porzingas and holiday.

They should've just waited and done the holiday deal alone.

Holiday
Smart
Brown
Tatum
R.Williams/Horford

Grant Williams

Is probably better than what they have now imo

They lost because of a rookie Grant Williams playing and Robert Williams playing 12mins a game? You cannot be serious.


No Jrue/White/Brown/Tatum/KP or Horford is better than that lineup you listed. Robert Williams can't stay healthy which is a big part of him getting traded.

Porzingis has played a whopping 7 more games than Robert Williams in the past 5 seasons. They are both injury-prone players, but the issue that I have is that Boston is putting all of their eggs in one basket by trading Smart + Robert Williams + Brogdon (and letting Grant Williams walk) for Porzingis and Jrue – both of whom have some question marks too.

In the past, Boston was pretty deep up front (Horford/Williams playing most of the 5 minutes as well as Kornet + Williams playing some small-ball minutes) whereas now they are entirely relying on Porzingis/Horford + Kornet at C and for Tatum to essentially play PF full-time. And it's not like they have much wiggle room to make other moves as Porzingis + Jrue + Tatum + Brown are eating up 135M and White + Horford combine for another ~30M. Unless they end up also trading White/Horford, the team they have is incredibly top heavy and one injury could drastically change their outlook – which is quite the risk when two of your top 6 players are in their mid-to-late 30s and another has missed ~40% of games in his career.

It's a big risk and we haven't even begun to talk about those picks (especially the swap) either.

pingpongrac wrote:

Scizzup wrote:

DreamTeam09 wrote:
That's subjective, I have to take a wait and see approach. The last time the raps played them in the bubble, we lost cuz of Smart and Robert Williams.

They have now lost those two + grant Williams for porzingas and holiday.

They should've just waited and done the holiday deal alone.

Holiday
Smart
Brown
Tatum
R.Williams/Horford

Grant Williams

Is probably better than what they have now imo

They lost because of a rookie Grant Williams playing and Robert Williams playing 12mins a game? You cannot be serious.


No Jrue/White/Brown/Tatum/KP or Horford is better than that lineup you listed. Robert Williams can't stay healthy which is a big part of him getting traded.

Porzingis has played a whopping 7 more games than Robert Williams in the past 5 seasons. They are both injury-prone players, but the issue that I have is that Boston is putting all of their eggs in one basket by trading Smart + Robert Williams + Brogdon (and letting Grant Williams walk) for Porzingis and Jrue – both of whom have some question marks too.

In the past, Boston was pretty deep up front (Horford/Williams playing most of the 5 minutes as well as Kornet + Williams playing some small-ball minutes) whereas now they are entirely relying on Porzingis/Horford + Kornet at C and for Tatum to essentially play PF full-time. And it's not like they have much wiggle room to make other moves as Porzingis + Jrue + Tatum + Brown are eating up 135M and White + Horford combine for another ~30M. Unless they end up also trading White/Horford, the team they have is incredibly top heavy and one injury could drastically change their outlook – which is quite the risk when two of your top 6 players are in their mid-to-late 30s and another has missed ~40% of games in his career.

I think you are remembering wrong, Robert Williams has barely played in the playoffs last 2 years. He is a 20 minutes player and missed couple series. Horford has been better than him, him getting older and worse is a bigger cause for concern.

Scase wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:That is a massive overpay. That package, with a swap thrown in, could have probably gotten them Lillard.

I think the C's seeing that Dame trade, and now that they have JB on a supermax, understand that they need to go all in. It's not an overpay if it works, only if it completely backfires. Something our FO seems to be allergic to, the last 4 years.

It’s a massive overpay if you look at what the Bucks originally gave up to get Holiday in his prime vs what the Celtics are paying now to get him at 33 yrs old.

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Brogdon has negative value, and those picks are very spaced out. Boston got off Brogdon's contract cheap. The continuity's going to get hammered in Boston though.

One or two late firsts

An unheralded prospect none of us have heard of

And useful veteran filler (portland will need mentors in the rotation).

Its like the cherry on top. Portland did a good job thinking this through both short and long term.

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Miami or Philly bout to trade for Siakam

They have to do something, or start thinking about trading Embiid/Butler.

Scase wrote:Can't wait to see more of those people arguing with me again when I said that Portland is rebuilding right.

If you could actually prove what “rebuilding right” is with evidence and tangible examples…

Raps in 4 wrote:

agkagk wrote:

ItsDanger wrote:Great value for Portland, I undervalued Jrue's trade return for sure.

Thats cause the media’s been attacking masai with rumors and undermining for years.


It effs with our perspectives.


This is a very very reassuring trade regarding fred, og and siakams true trade value.

Hopefully this opens peoples eyes to what happened with the fred trade rumors.

The Blazers just got 2 FRPs and some decent players (although injury-prone) for a 33 year-old expiring contract, who was just a salary thrown-in from their previous trade.

Masai says he didn't get any worthwhile offers for 29 year-old FVV. If Masai didn't get any worthwhile offers for FVV, maybe he didn't try hard enough to find them.

Lakers effed up going after russell instead of fred.

Clippers pretending to negotiate with masai when they were in reality working behind the scenes to get westbrook for free.

All these things happened at the same time in front of all of us.

Who else needed a starting pg come playoffs?

agkagk wrote:

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Brogdon has negative value, and those picks are very spaced out. Boston got off Brogdon's contract cheap. The continuity's going to get hammered in Boston though.

One or two late firsts

An unheralded prospect none of us have heard of

And useful veteran filler (portland will need mentors in the rotation).

Its like the cherry on top. Portland did a good job thinking this through both short and long term.

They got lots of draft capital, some of them might turn out to be real good. Those picks are far off. The next half decade might be hard to watch though.

Bro, wtf are the raptors doing?!

Sandman88 wrote:Bro, wtf are the raptors doing?!

You wanted us to trade for Jrue?

I like jrue a lot. Not sure he makes sense for this team.

This is way more than I thought they could get for him, so great trade by the Blazers. He turned one player into an arms race between two contenders.

Works for Boston, too. I don't think Brogdan or WIlliams are physically able to compete in a finals run anymore, and Jrue is actually a great ballhandler that can save Jaylen Brown from turning into a popcorn machine every playoffs.

The only issue is that Boston lost Timelord. They are relying on a 37 year old Horford and Luke Kornet? Still wasn't like Robert Williams was healthy. My guess is that they'll bank on small ball throughout the season and pick up another C at the deadline.

Scizzup wrote:

pingpongrac wrote:

Scizzup wrote:
They lost because of a rookie Grant Williams playing and Robert Williams playing 12mins a game? You cannot be serious.


No Jrue/White/Brown/Tatum/KP or Horford is better than that lineup you listed. Robert Williams can't stay healthy which is a big part of him getting traded.

Porzingis has played a whopping 7 more games than Robert Williams in the past 5 seasons. They are both injury-prone players, but the issue that I have is that Boston is putting all of their eggs in one basket by trading Smart + Robert Williams + Brogdon (and letting Grant Williams walk) for Porzingis and Jrue – both of whom have some question marks too.

In the past, Boston was pretty deep up front (Horford/Williams playing most of the 5 minutes as well as Kornet + Williams playing some small-ball minutes) whereas now they are entirely relying on Porzingis/Horford + Kornet at C and for Tatum to essentially play PF full-time. And it's not like they have much wiggle room to make other moves as Porzingis + Jrue + Tatum + Brown are eating up 135M and White + Horford combine for another ~30M. Unless they end up also trading White/Horford, the team they have is incredibly top heavy and one injury could drastically change their outlook – which is quite the risk when two of your top 6 players are in their mid-to-late 30s and another has missed ~40% of games in his career.

I think you are remembering wrong, Robert Williams has barely played in the playoffs last 2 years. He is a 20 minutes player.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Robert Williams averaged 27.3 MPG the past two seasons and 21.9 MPG the past two playoffs whereas Porzingis averaged 31.0 MPG and played 17 less total games because he didn't get to the playoffs. Williams playing 20+ MPG off the bench in the playoffs means he was a pretty important piece, just as Grant Williams was with his 23.6 MPG average in the playoffs the past two seasons. Then you're also taking away Smart + Brogdon and swapping them for Jrue.

If everything clicks and everyone stays healthy, the Celtics are better despite the lack of a bench. I don't think it's a bad deal because of that chance of it all working out, but it seems very unlikely.

Raps in 4 wrote:

agkagk wrote:

ItsDanger wrote:Great value for Portland, I undervalued Jrue's trade return for sure.

Thats cause the media’s been attacking masai with rumors and undermining for years.


It effs with our perspectives.


This is a very very reassuring trade regarding fred, og and siakams true trade value.

Hopefully this opens peoples eyes to what happened with the fred trade rumors.

The Blazers just got 2 FRPs and some decent players (although injury-prone) for a 33 year-old expiring contract, who was just a salary thrown-in from their previous trade.

Masai says he didn't get any worthwhile offers for 29 year-old FVV. If Masai didn't get any worthwhile offers for FVV, maybe he didn't try hard enough to find them.

Or maybe they actually didn't exist? But yes, the angry mystery box is fun to dwell on too I guess