Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[TorontoRapsFan]

Rookies who contribute to competent basketball is a clear sign that they’ll be good in the future. He’s not untouchable but he’s clearly a good prospect.

But it seems to be pretty easy for guards to get 10-12 ppg off wide open shots and a few makes at the rim. Especially non starters. Doesn't mean they'll ever be more than that.

If you are not impressed by Podz, you likely are never gonna be that excited about prospects outside generational talents.

And FWIW - playing next to a guy like Scottie is also gonna get you a bunch of wide open 3s

I'm just wondering what kind of prospect is he? I haven't watched him, just some highlights and I see the stats. He looks like a good rotation piece. The way people talk about GSW has to have him included or they don't want to give him up, makes me wonder what else is to him.

[Public_Enemy101]

Masai needs to sit Pascal and his agent’s asses down and tell them you either sign our low ball extension offer with the intent that you’ll be traded shortly after or just ship him out by February. There’s NO max deal ever happening so make up your mind.

I prefer that at this point you take whatever breadcrumbs you can get because it seems his side, whether warranted or not isn’t budging on committing anywhere, including TOR, which is holding the organization back.

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

He had that chance for years now and he’s clearly shown that he can’t take us to the next level. Did you not see his dreadful 4th quarter playoff performances since the bubble?

I’m happy he’s become a very good offensive player, in the regular season. But he’s still a huge liability in the playoffs, doesn’t play proper D anymore and still wants max money? That’s going to push Scottie further out of the picture and possibility of building a deep bench unit.

[RealityIsDemar]

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

He had that chance for years now and he clearly shows can’t take us to the next level. Did you not see his dreadful 4th quarter playoff performances since the bubble?

I’m happy he’s become a very good offensive player. But he’s still a huge liability in the playoffs, doesn’t play proper D anymore and still wants max money. That’s going to push Scottie further out of the picture and possibility of building a deep bench unit.

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

[Hero_Panda]

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

You're conveniently leaving out the points about how he's not going to sign an extension with any team that trades for him, drastically plummeting his value, in addition to lackluster D for a player of his calibre and the drastic drop in his 3pt%.

Everything about his demeanor has been "give me max money extension and then we'll talk".

But hey, that's the same ol' Pascal we know and love over the years right?

[SurgeIblocka]

Siakam wants free agency and doesn’t want to state which team he wants to go to because that said team has cap space in the summer so why give up assets for him. Its simple Pascal doesn't want to be here and he knows he doesn’t fit the timeline. Its to late to get good value for him now that should have been done last trade deadline. Now we just have to suck it up and accept whatever poo poo platter we get for him, rather than losing him for nothing. It’s all on Masai and Bobby, they have to lay in the bed that they made and deal with the consequences

[SpezNc]

Philly will 100% offer him a deal June 30. They are getting an asset for free and getting better. Will he go there, who knows.

This Siakam situation is complex because he's saying no to everything and willing to wait until FA. That will impact the offers for him which sucks.

That’s my point.

He’s not playing ball with Masai because he knows he can get to where he wants this summer.

He has every right to become a UFA and explore. It's going to be tough to find a team willing to take a risk on him and get back a package we want.

True it’s 100% his right to become a UFA. It’s just weird because max players usually can simply give a list of 2-3 teams he would extend.

It’s probably

A) you trade me for a bad package
B) you offers me the 5th year
C) I walk through UFA and lose me for nothing

Pick your poison

[AkelaLoneWolf]

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

He had that chance for years now and he’s clearly shown that he can’t take us to the next level. Did you not see his dreadful 4th quarter playoff performances since the bubble?

I’m happy he’s become a very good offensive player, in the regular season. But he’s still a huge liability in the playoffs, doesn’t play proper D anymore and still wants max money? That’s going to push Scottie further out of the picture and possibility of building a deep bench unit.

he was the second/third option on a championship team.
he would play better D if he didn't carry such a huge offensive load and with the arrival of IQ and Barrett I would demand more accountability on that front if I was Darko.
he's worth max money and with the increasing cap it'll be increasingly reasonable contract.
also not sure how having siakam would push barnes out but if it does happen, all that really means is that barnes is not that good of a player to begin with.
also you don't sacrifice starters for bench players lol.

[Hero_Panda]

True it’s 100% his right to become a UFA. It’s just weird because max players usually can simply give a list of 2-3 teams he would extend.

It’s probably

A) you trade me for a bad package
B) you offers me the 5th year
C) I walk through UFA and lose me for nothing

Pick your poison

Sure glad Masai's the GM, because it wouldn't surprise me if he can pull an option D) out of thin air.

[SpezNc]

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

You're conveniently leaving out the points about how he's not going to sign an extension with any team that trades for him, drastically plummeting his value, in addition to lackluster D for a player of his calibre and the drastic drop in his 3pt%.

Everything about his demeanor has been "give me max money extension and then we'll talk".

But hey, that's the same ol' Pascal we know and love over the years right?

Something has shifted with Pascal. It’s definitely not the same Pascal.

[RealityIsDemar]

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

You're conveniently leaving out the points about how he's not going to sign an extension with any team that trades for him, drastically plummeting his value, in addition to lackluster D for a player of his calibre and the drastic drop in his 3pt%.

Everything about his demeanor has been "give me max money extension and then we'll talk".

But hey, that's the same ol' Pascal we know and love over the years right?

It is not Pascals duty to maximize his trade value. He is an impeding free agent and if he wants to test the market, that is his right. Thinking his duty is to be a good asset for Masai to move is weirdo behaviour.

You said he’s quit on the team and are backing it up with his defensive effort and 3pt%. His 3% has been as good as it’s been his entire career as the rumours have been the loudest (last 15 games). It just doesn’t fit your argument, it’s a complete reach.

You can be mad that Pascal doesn’t want to resign on other teams. That’s fine. But don’t get it twisted and call it conduct detrimental to the team when all he is doing is what is in his best interest.

[SpezNc]

True it’s 100% his right to become a UFA. It’s just weird because max players usually can simply give a list of 2-3 teams he would extend.

It’s probably

A) you trade me for a bad package
B) you offers me the 5th year
C) I walk through UFA and lose me for nothing

Pick your poison

Sure glad Masai's the GM, because it wouldn't surprise me if he can pull an option D) out of thin air.

Option D could be extend 4 years before TDL and trade next summer / next year TDL?

[YogurtProducer]

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

You're conveniently leaving out the points about how he's not going to sign an extension with any team that trades for him, drastically plummeting his value, in addition to lackluster D for a player of his calibre and the drastic drop in his 3pt%.

Everything about his demeanor has been "give me max money extension and then we'll talk".

But hey, that's the same ol' Pascal we know and love over the years right?

It is not Pascals duty to maximize his trade value. He is an impeding free agent and if he wants to test the market, that is his right. Thinking his duty is to be a good asset for Masai to move is weirdo behaviour.

You said he’s quit on the team and are backing it up with his defensive effort and 3pt%. His 3% has been as good as it’s been his entire career as the rumours have been the loudest (last 15 games). It just doesn’t fit your argument, it’s a complete reach.

You can be mad that Pascal doesn’t want to resign on other teams. That’s fine. But don’t get it twisted and call it conduct detrimental to the team when all he is doing is what is in his best interest.

Yeah like lets completely ignore he is having the most efficient season of his career. Why would he purposely play worse if he wanted more money? Siakam does not have the clout around the league to purposely play bad and still expect a big contract.

[Hero_Panda]

True it’s 100% his right to become a UFA. It’s just weird because max players usually can simply give a list of 2-3 teams he would extend.

It’s probably

A) you trade me for a bad package
B) you offers me the 5th year
C) I walk through UFA and lose me for nothing

Pick your poison

Sure glad Masai's the GM, because it wouldn't surprise me if he can pull an option D) out of thin air.

Option D could be extend 4 years before TDL and trade next summer / next year TDL?

:shrug:
Did anyone see the Quickley/Barrett/Det 2nd for OG/Precious/Flynn coming?
I'm crossing my fingers of something like that for Siakam.

[YogurtProducer]

It's times like this where I'm glad Masai has the patience that he has because I would've shipped Pascal's ass out of here just because his camp is being too detrimental to the organization right now.

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

He had that chance for years now and he’s clearly shown that he can’t take us to the next level. Did you not see his dreadful 4th quarter playoff performances since the bubble?

I’m happy he’s become a very good offensive player, in the regular season. But he’s still a huge liability in the playoffs, doesn’t play proper D anymore and still wants max money? That’s going to push Scottie further out of the picture and possibility of building a deep bench unit.

Pascal obvioulsly is not the "guy" to win a ring as a #1, but we could have had prime MJ and even he probably could not take us to the next level.

And IDK what you are going on about "huge liability in the playoffs". That is just a weird ass complaint that is so far from the truth.

[Hero_Panda]

Yeah like lets completely ignore he is having the most efficient season of his career. Why would he purposely play worse if he wanted more money? Siakam does not have the clout around the league to purposely play bad and still expect a big contract.

Offensively he's been good (minus the 3pt shooting). Everything else just sucks, which is not something I'd expect from him. That, and telling interested trade partners to not trade for him because he's not resigning with them.

[SpezNc]

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

He had that chance for years now and he clearly shows can’t take us to the next level. Did you not see his dreadful 4th quarter playoff performances since the bubble?

I’m happy he’s become a very good offensive player. But he’s still a huge liability in the playoffs, doesn’t play proper D anymore and still wants max money. That’s going to push Scottie further out of the picture and possibility of building a deep bench unit.

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

We still don’t know if he truly want to stay here or if he think the best contract he can get is from the Raptors.

[RealityIsDemar]

You're conveniently leaving out the points about how he's not going to sign an extension with any team that trades for him, drastically plummeting his value, in addition to lackluster D for a player of his calibre and the drastic drop in his 3pt%.

Everything about his demeanor has been "give me max money extension and then we'll talk".

But hey, that's the same ol' Pascal we know and love over the years right?

It is not Pascals duty to maximize his trade value. He is an impeding free agent and if he wants to test the market, that is his right. Thinking his duty is to be a good asset for Masai to move is weirdo behaviour.

You said he’s quit on the team and are backing it up with his defensive effort and 3pt%. His 3% has been as good as it’s been his entire career as the rumours have been the loudest (last 15 games). It just doesn’t fit your argument, it’s a complete reach.

You can be mad that Pascal doesn’t want to resign on other teams. That’s fine. But don’t get it twisted and call it conduct detrimental to the team when all he is doing is what is in his best interest.

Yeah like lets completely ignore he is having the most efficient season of his career. Why would he purposely play worse if he wanted more money? Siakam does not have the clout around the league to purposely play bad and still expect a big contract.

I don’t know when people have suddenly decided that players objectives are to maximize their trade value, but it’s giving a very weird corporatist vibe

[mademan]

Im starting to think that Dallas is the betting fav because his agent wants him to go there. Im starting to think this is gonna be a Kyrie situation where some team gets a strong talent cheap because of other factors. I think the relationship is broken and that Siakam will be traded to the highest bidder no matter what, and that might not be a lot.

I think we legit woulda kept OG if we didnt get what we wanted. Dont think the same is true for Siakam

[Hero_Panda]

I don’t know when people have suddenly decided that players objectives are to maximize their trade value, but it’s giving a very weird corporatist vibe

So you were okay with the Vince Carter trade?

[Public_Enemy101]

Cmon now. We shouldn’t be doing this. Homegrown star, MIP, NBA and G league Champion. Wants to stay and be the guy in Toronto.

Saying he would rather test the market to find the best deal & environment to play in (which he has every right to do) rather than agreeing to shackle up on a team he’ll be moved to is.. “too detrimental to the team”


Oooookay. Woof.

He had that chance for years now and he clearly shows can’t take us to the next level. Did you not see his dreadful 4th quarter playoff performances since the bubble?

I’m happy he’s become a very good offensive player. But he’s still a huge liability in the playoffs, doesn’t play proper D anymore and still wants max money. That’s going to push Scottie further out of the picture and possibility of building a deep bench unit.

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

You just said Pascal wanted to be the guy and now you’re changing the topic to conduct. We don’t really know what Pascal wants because he, his agent, and Masai are all saying different things.

But at this point, it’s better just to move on. You’ve maximized all you can from a 27th pick and now you have to look to the new generation. He’s not getting any younger or that much better so what’s the point of keeping him here and paying him ludicrous amounts of money? If you say loyalty…