Celts Peck Their Fans' Eyes Out! AOS vs ATL 3/25

[Shak_Celts]

Cs likely done with the regular season. But can’t also expect fans to fully trust them until they’ve proven something in the biggest of stage. That’s just how it’s going to be. Taking days off like this won’t help the ongoing narrative or building trust with a portion of the fanbase.

Kudos to people who find no flaws or issues with the team (or choose to ignore them) and can go on their merry way. I would love to have that mentality. Less misery.

I'm with you until that part.

I’m a bitter miserable person who can’t avoid throwing in cowardly jabs when I can lol.

nah, I just don't think people are missing the bad stuff, just taking it with a grain of salt seeing how we have been the most consistent team all season and we already locked up #1 east and likely overall. crunch wasn't the problem here IMO, ONE problem was when we started playing with the game and gave up on caring when we went up 30. Joe not calling a timeout til our lead was cut to 3 really upset my spirit, made me think if it seemed like he didn't care, why would the players. it was definitely ugly after going up 30.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Flame me if you want but I really don’t care about this loss. Get to the post season already when the games actually matter. They shouldn’t, and most of the season haven’t, but at some point at least for parts of a game they have to be bored. It’s like playing a video game on an easy level that you can’t change the difficulty whenever you want. You have to wait until April 20 to change it.

I don't care about a loss in general, but the fact JT is such a slow learner is concerning. It's not as if it's a new problem, it's years old and agnostic to coach as there has been several. I was hoping the Cavs loss would be the lesson, but they showed zero applied knowledge regarding that. That's concerning. I'm not panicking saying anything other than it's concerning so don't misunderstand me, but I do think the manner of the loss showing no reversal in a bad trend is something to be concerned about with a team there is very little to be concerned about.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Don't kid yourselves, Joe Mazzulla is a **** tier coach and that makes us entirely beatable.

In the fly-by-night, 3 games in 4 days nature of the regular season, this often gets obscured. The only times coaching even matters is at the end of games and in the playoffs, and Joe has looked consistently hapless in either. Pretty much every time a team can make it a close game late, we struggle. And it is not a fluke. Ball movement, gone. Iso iso iso iso iso, with no set plays and our stars holding the ball before driving into traffic.

Tonight notwithstanding, we are too much offensively for bad teams, but that's not who you play deep in the playoffs. When we get to playing the top teams with the top coaches in the real games, Joe's inability to make any adjustments or even call plays will be a major weakness.

Maybe we can still overcome it, but this team not the favorite or the powerhouse that many seem to think.

This guy is GARBAGE.

That is all.

He is potential coach of the year and has won 60 games! You’re wrong!!! Booo! Go Joee!

[Captain_Caveman]

The trolls smelled blood tonight and made it a party.

No idea who you are talking to beyond Corey, but since it is obviously me, I'll just say I'm not going to apologize for knowing basketball.

It's not just tonight with Mazzulla, although it was definitely his Picasso so far this year. Again, we may be able to overcome his poor coaching and I hope that we do. But there are definite weak traits wrt his coaching.

First and only Celts coach I have ever criticized, fwiw.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Ass of Shame of a lifetime. Hopefully this loss will teach these guys a lesson. Even the Hawks' announcers were in disbelief about the Celtics' 1-on-1 offense at the end. Dumb as rocks.

I guess Derrick White can't have any more days off.

Derrick White has been there for many of these type of collapses before.

At this point there is no excuse anymore.

But this is the first time that both Derrick and Jrue were out.

Oh in that case, all is forgiven. Whooo.

[Fierce1]

Really weak post here. Lebron was clutch well before he got to the Heat. He just had bad teams around him in Cleveland. Your post goes flying out the window, just bringing up one game: Game 5 of the 2007 ECF vs. Detroit. Lebron scored the final 25 points for Cleveland, all by himself, in a double overtime win. That's **** clutch.

That's not accurate.

Celtic fans kept calling Lebron a choker after he lost to the Mavs in the 2011 finals.

It's not about facts, it's about perception.

A lot of NBA fans called Lebron a choker at that time.

Lebron got swept in 2007 by the Spurs in the finals.

Lost to the Celtics in 2008.

Got beat by Orlando in 2009.

And got beaten by the Cs again in 2010.

That's why a lot of NBA fans saw Lebron as a choker.

I will not argue with your data because like I said, it was all about perception.

This season there are Celtic fans here who will also show you data that the Celtics are good in the clutch this season.

Just go to the game thread and you'll see a post saying the Celts are good in the clutch this season.

Again, it's about perception.

Where, on this forum?? I wasn't here in 2007, but I guarantee you not a single person I know that knew and watched basketball at that time thought Lebron was a choker. Quite the opposite. After that Pistons game everyone was in awe over how clutch he was when it mattered.

Guess we're living in different worlds then.

I've been on many Celtic forums since the early 2000s and the narrative was always Lebron couldn't win the big one.

The point is Lebron lost so many times before finally winning the championship in 2012.

Some of the people here don't realize that if JT wins a championship this year, he will be younger than Lebron, KD, MJ, and Steph when those greats got their first ring.

[Green89]

Flame me if you want but I really don’t care about this loss. Get to the post season already when the games actually matter. They shouldn’t, and most of the season haven’t, but at some point at least for parts of a game they have to be bored. It’s like playing a video game on an easy level that you can’t change the difficulty whenever you want. You have to wait until April 20 to change it.

Games you can't come up with crunch time plays matter. There's been too many of them and our record against top teams isn't nearly as good as our overall record. Even worse, this Atlanta team isn't anywhere near a top team.

[SuperDeluxe]

The trolls smelled blood tonight and made it a party.

No idea who you are talking to beyond Corey, but since it is obviously me, I'll just say I'm not going to apologize for knowing basketball.

It's not just tonight with Mazzulla, although it was definitely his Picasso so far this year. Again, we may be able to overcome his poor coaching and I hope that we do. But there are definite weak traits wrt his coaching.

First and only Celts coach I have ever criticized, fwiw.

100% not about you. I may not agree with your every opinion, but I value it.

[Sweet Serenity]

You can always bet on playa-hater to have a little temper tantrum about Joe every time we lose

[Green89]

That's not accurate.

Celtic fans kept calling Lebron a choker after he lost to the Mavs in the 2011 finals.

It's not about facts, it's about perception.

A lot of NBA fans called Lebron a choker at that time.

Lebron got swept in 2007 by the Spurs in the finals.

Lost to the Celtics in 2008.

Got beat by Orlando in 2009.

And got beaten by the Cs again in 2010.

That's why a lot of NBA fans saw Lebron as a choker.

I will not argue with your data because like I said, it was all about perception.

This season there are Celtic fans here who will also show you data that the Celtics are good in the clutch this season.

Just go to the game thread and you'll see a post saying the Celts are good in the clutch this season.

Again, it's about perception.

Where, on this forum?? I wasn't here in 2007, but I guarantee you not a single person I know that knew and watched basketball at that time thought Lebron was a choker. Quite the opposite. After that Pistons game everyone was in awe over how clutch he was when it mattered.

Guess we're living in different worlds then.

I've been on many Celtic forums since the early 2000s and the narrative was always Lebron couldn't win the big one.

The point is Lebron lost so many times before finally winning the championship in 2012.

Some of the people here don't realize that if JT wins a championship this year, he will be younger than Lebron, KD, MJ, and Steph when those greats got their first ring.

That might be the problem, you've been living in forums too long.

[Riverwalk2021]

Tatum is a great player but he is flawed. His decision-making is wildly inconsistent when the game tightens. Too many times this season, he was doubled in the final moments with a wide open teammate only to force a difficult shot. They have to win the championship like the '04 Pistons. Exceptionally talented players connected on both ends playing team ball. Leaning into Tatum's weaknesses during the most critical point of games is a fool's errand. Mazzulla isn't a good coach but Tatum should realize what he's doing isn't working.

[reload141]

The trolls smelled blood tonight and made it a party.

No idea who you are talking to beyond Corey, but since it is obviously me, I'll just say I'm not going to apologize for knowing basketball.

It's not just tonight with Mazzulla, although it was definitely his Picasso so far this year. Again, we may be able to overcome his poor coaching and I hope that we do. But there are definite weak traits wrt his coaching.

First and only Celts coach I have ever criticized, fwiw.

100% not about you. I may not agree with your every opinion, but I value it.

SuperDeluxe is like many of us, he wants to trade Tatum and build around PP, which I strongly agree with.

Love you SuperDeluxe haha having a joke around mate

[Green89]

You can always bet on playa-hater to have a little temper tantrum about Joe every time we lose

We should all be throwing more of a tantrum over the fact that posters like you can't see how bad Joe really is, and how difficult it will be in close playoff games, based on games we witnessed such as tonight's. That relevance just seems to escape some.

[Fierce1]

Where, on this forum?? I wasn't here in 2007, but I guarantee you not a single person I know that knew and watched basketball at that time thought Lebron was a choker. Quite the opposite. After that Pistons game everyone was in awe over how clutch he was when it mattered.

Guess we're living in different worlds then.

I've been on many Celtic forums since the early 2000s and the narrative was always Lebron couldn't win the big one.

The point is Lebron lost so many times before finally winning the championship in 2012.

Some of the people here don't realize that if JT wins a championship this year, he will be younger than Lebron, KD, MJ, and Steph when those greats got their first ring.

That might be the problem, you've been living in forums too long.

Now you're changing the subject.

Forums are where you hear from NBA fans all over the world.

If you just hear from the group of people around you then there's no diversity.

What if the people you're surrounded with are Lebron fans?

Of course they would say Lebron is clutch, right?

The point of forums is to hear different opinions from different parts of the world.

[The Corey's]

This is what I mean about agendas.

The perfect example even.

Got news for you, nobody cares about acknowledging what you think.

The majority of the Celtic fans only care about the Celtics winning a championship.

So what if the coach is bad and the Celts win the chip?

If you tell me the Celtics hire Mr. Bean and the Celtics is guaranteed to win a championship with Mr. Bean as coach, I'm all for it!

Follow the context of the conversation. There's no agenda. It was a response to a accusation.

Your comment about Doc and the 2008 championship says it all.

That's what you're doing now with Joe.

It's not a big deal to most fans if their team wins a championship even if the coach is not that good.

What's important to most fans is their team wins a championship.

I can't help you there. Either you understand that this team has a coaching issue or you don't.

It's not about what I "want"

[GrandTheftRondo]

Ass of Shame of a lifetime. Hopefully this loss will teach these guys a lesson. Even the Hawks' announcers were in disbelief about the Celtics' 1-on-1 offense at the end. Dumb as rocks.

I guess Derrick White can't have any more days off.

Let’s be real with ten games left and the lead we have for NBA finals HCA, we should only see the starters together for maybe 3 more games.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Ass of Shame of a lifetime. Hopefully this loss will teach these guys a lesson. Even the Hawks' announcers were in disbelief about the Celtics' 1-on-1 offense at the end. Dumb as rocks.

I guess Derrick White can't have any more days off.

White never misses multiple games, I'm wondering how bad his injury is.

Huh?

He played the other night.

The Celtics are simply taking turns having nights off.

[Fierce1]

Follow the context of the conversation. There's no agenda. It was a response to a accusation.

Your comment about Doc and the 2008 championship says it all.

That's what you're doing now with Joe.

It's not a big deal to most fans if their team wins a championship even if the coach is not that good.

What's important to most fans is their team wins a championship.

I can't help you there. Either you understand that this team has a coaching issue or you don't.

It's not about what I "want"

I know the Celtics have a coaching issue because I wanted a veteran coach coaching this team when Ime Udoka got suspended.

But if Joe can make this team win a championship then that's good enough for me.

To you, having a good coach is more important than winning a championship because you feel it's not enough the team wins a championship with a coach that you don't like.

[Captain_Caveman]

How can you not be pissed? Meditation?

Read on Twitter

This is it, exactly. Biggest possession of the game, plenty of time to call a play, and there is not even a plan of any kind. No movement, no passing. Our guys honestly just look confused. Does Jaylen want space? Does he want a pick? No attempt to switch him off a good defender.

I just don't get what Joe thinks he is doing. You know how when someone gets promoted professionally and they don't know how to supervise former colleagues? Like they just can't get past that aspect of being the boss of people they used to be friends with? That's Joe as a coach. And I almost feel like the reason he doesn't call timeouts is because he has no plays to call anyway.

It's maddening, and I really hope it does not cost us a title.

[The Corey's]

Your comment about Doc and the 2008 championship says it all.

That's what you're doing now with Joe.

It's not a big deal to most fans if their team wins a championship even if the coach is not that good.

What's important to most fans is their team wins a championship.

I can't help you there. Either you understand that this team has a coaching issue or you don't.

It's not about what I "want"

I know the Celtics have a coaching issue because I wanted a veteran coach coaching this team when Ime Udoka got suspended.

But if Joe can make this team win a championship then that's good enough for me.

To you, having a good coach is more important than winning a championship because you feel it's not enough the team wins a championship with a coach that you don't like.

What should I be talking about on a night like tonight?

How Tatum missed some free throws and had costly turnovers?

Cause I can do that too.

I choose to focus on the coaching because the coach watched a 30 point lead dwindle down to 2 before he thought it was time to talk about it.