Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[mpharris36]

The knicks can't sign Precious for $25 MM

Furthermore, I'd personally walk over to Moda and fire Joe Cronin myself if this happened.

It would put us over the 2nd apron which we are hard capped at.

CBA put in rules so teams just couldn't over inflate S&T contracst to bring in a high salary player via trade.

I think the knicks want to give Precious a big deal because its more "tradable" salary in the future for matching purposes but just because we have his bird rights doesn't mean we can offer him unlimited money either.

Basically if Ayton is coming that means Randle has to go for salary matching purposes. I don't think anyone would want to do that.

[StlHawksFan]

certainly would open up more possibilities because Precious contract I think can only be S&T for half of what he actually signs for so if the Knicks signed him for $10 MM I think only 5 MM is counted as tradable salaries...it was put in to prevent teams from just inflating a S&T contract to finish a trade.

But at the deadline for example his full 10 MM is tradable salary. In theory that open ups players up to 10-15 MM range if you start aggregating some other smaller contracts as well.

Right now I think we are operating in the less than 5 MM salary type bigs. That is why you have heard names like Richards, Kessler, and even Duren. Its because there contracts are small.

No that's not true. Base year compensation rules apply to extensions only.

[Guano]

very well could but if that was the case wouldn't they have wrapped up Precious by now?

Seems like they're working on a trade but don't like the market.

During the season teams that are not meeting expectations will look to offload making it easier to address the C need at a price they're comfortable.

certainly would open up more possibilities because Precious contract I think can only be S&T for half of what he actually signs for so if the Knicks signed him for $10 MM I think only 5 MM is counted as tradable salaries...it was put in to prevent teams from just inflating a S&T contract to finish a trade.

But at the deadline for example his full 10 MM is tradable salary. In theory that open ups players up to 10-15 MM range if you start aggregating some other smaller contracts as well.

Right now I think we are operating in the less than 5 MM salary type bigs. That is why you have heard names like Richards, Kessler, and even Duren. Its because there contracts are small.

those names are all just speculation and questionable starters on a contending team. I wouldn't think the market is very robust at this time. Teams aren't looking to unload at this point of the season unless theyre swayed by an offer. That opens up as teams are failing at reaching their expectations.

The concern is mitch staying healthy until that time. Also relying on precious and Sims to play the 5. One is a 4 and the other isn't an NBA player.

[3toheadmelo]

Knicks are gonna go into the 2nd apron for Ayton and you'll like it

[mpharris36]

Seems like they're working on a trade but don't like the market.

During the season teams that are not meeting expectations will look to offload making it easier to address the C need at a price they're comfortable.

certainly would open up more possibilities because Precious contract I think can only be S&T for half of what he actually signs for so if the Knicks signed him for $10 MM I think only 5 MM is counted as tradable salaries...it was put in to prevent teams from just inflating a S&T contract to finish a trade.

But at the deadline for example his full 10 MM is tradable salary. In theory that open ups players up to 10-15 MM range if you start aggregating some other smaller contracts as well.

Right now I think we are operating in the less than 5 MM salary type bigs. That is why you have heard names like Richards, Kessler, and even Duren. Its because there contracts are small.

those names are all just speculation and questionable starters on a contending team. I wouldn't think the market is very robust at this time. Teams aren't looking to unload at this point of the season unless theyre swayed by an offer. That opens up as teams are failing at reaching their expectations.

The concern is mitch staying healthy until that time. Also relying on precious and Sims to play the 5. One is a 4 and the other isn't an NBA player.

Mitch is the starter though. I think they were looking for a younger cheap backup that could develop while playing backup minutes and then start if/when Mitch gets hurt.

Those are the type of players being mentioned because they have low salaries that would fit.

I don't think the Knicks are looking for a starting center nor do they have the assets to pull off a deal for a starting center unless they are open to moving Randle (which at this point I don't see happening).

[mpharris36]

certainly would open up more possibilities because Precious contract I think can only be S&T for half of what he actually signs for so if the Knicks signed him for $10 MM I think only 5 MM is counted as tradable salaries...it was put in to prevent teams from just inflating a S&T contract to finish a trade.

But at the deadline for example his full 10 MM is tradable salary. In theory that open ups players up to 10-15 MM range if you start aggregating some other smaller contracts as well.

Right now I think we are operating in the less than 5 MM salary type bigs. That is why you have heard names like Richards, Kessler, and even Duren. Its because there contracts are small.

No that's not true. Base year compensation rules apply to extensions only.

Are you sure about that?

While the base year compensation rules have mostly been adjusted and/or removed from the CBA in recent years, there’s still one situation where they apply. Teams have to take them into account when completing sign-and-trade deals.

The BYC rules apply to a player who meets the following criteria in a sign-and-trade:

He is a Bird or Early Bird free agent.
His new salary is worth more than the minimum.
He receives a raise greater than 20%.
His team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing.

If the player meets those criteria and is included in a sign-and-trade deal, his outgoing salary for matching purposes is considered to be his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. For the team he is being signed-and-traded to, his incoming figure for matching purposes is his full new salary.

https://youtu.be/ZYUQxGNXQ5Y?si=x2iio9YBBIYsIQzC&t=479

[Capn'O]

The knicks can't sign Precious for $25 MM

Furthermore, I'd personally walk over to Moda and fire Joe Cronin myself if this happened.

It would put us over the 2nd apron which we are hard capped at.

CBA put in rules so teams just couldn't over inflate S&T contracst to bring in a high salary player via trade.

I think the knicks want to give Precious a big deal because its more "tradable" salary in the future for matching purposes but just because we have his bird rights doesn't mean we can offer him unlimited money either.

Basically if Ayton is coming that means Randle has to go for salary matching purposes. I don't think anyone would want to do that.

Or Josh Hart, which we're not doing.

The deal Melo proposed is asinine and I'm aware we can't do it. My point is simply that it's a beyond awful deal for the Blazers.

[aggo]

ayton would be hilarious


legit would rip this message board in half

[mpharris36]

Furthermore, I'd personally walk over to Moda and fire Joe Cronin myself if this happened.

It would put us over the 2nd apron which we are hard capped at.

CBA put in rules so teams just couldn't over inflate S&T contracst to bring in a high salary player via trade.

I think the knicks want to give Precious a big deal because its more "tradable" salary in the future for matching purposes but just because we have his bird rights doesn't mean we can offer him unlimited money either.

Basically if Ayton is coming that means Randle has to go for salary matching purposes. I don't think anyone would want to do that.

Or Josh Hart, which we're not doing. The deal Melo proposed is asinine.

My point is simply that it's a beyond awful deal for the Blazers.

I just assume all 4 nova guys are off the table for any trade...we didn't trade 5 1st rounders to start breaking up that Nova core now especially after brunson just gave us a massive discount to keep all his buddies around.

The trade for Ayton just doesn't work under the cap, but from a blazers perspective lets just live in a universe where it was possible. And Blazers wanted to tank and get out of the last year of Ayton's deal (which doesn't sound so bad) because he is not a 35 MM worth player. You couldn't see them wanting to trade him for an expiring and maybe a draft pick or two?

But no point in going too far into the deal because Randle would have to be in any deal for Ayton and that would never happen from the knicks POV.

[Capn'O]

That dumbass trade he posted had Precious for 3 years, not 1 at 25 million.

I've been over all of this with Melo before. He's just being a butt head.

[WaltFrazier]

Knicks are gonna go into the 2nd apron for Ayton and you'll like it

A few things about Ayton:

- I know his heart and attitude have been questioned but maybe some of that was Monty's fault
- I recall reading the Suns won the minutes he played in the Finals vs Bucks.
- I noticed when Knicks played at Portland this year Ayton was killing it with jumpers from the free throw line. Not floaters like Hartenstein but nice jump shots, an element neither iHart or Mitch provided. I think he had 30 that game, or almost
- Thibs could improve his rim protection
- he's buddies with Mikal, and in general Knicks culture would get him to play with hard

I don't know all the salary or trade details, but there's a lot of positives imo.

[mpharris36]

That dumbass trade he posted had Precious for 3 years, not 1 at 25 million.

I've been over all of this with Melo before. He's just being a butt head.

The tweet that was posted was actually trading him for 3 years but a 1st year salary of 25 MM...then declining for year 2 at $20 MM then year 3 at 15 MM which descending contracts can't be that steep of a decline...



He did it so that the salary would match Ayton 32 MM salary so that is why he inflated Precious deal to $25 MM to get it to work on the trade checker but we legit can't sign Precious to anywhere near that number.

S&T's have to be a minimum of 3 years (the last two however can be unguaranteed). So at least that part of the guys tweet was accurate (the only part of the tweet). But we still can't sign Precious for $25 MM in year one....I think we are only 13 MM under the hard cap and we can't go over that. Since after the Mikal trade we are no hard capped at the 2nd apron.

[Context]

all of your reply posts are interesting guys...My bottom-line is I trust this organization. So whoever they trade for-I believe will fit in perfectly...

[3toheadmelo]

Knicks are gonna go into the 2nd apron for Ayton and you'll like it

A few things about Ayton:

- I know his heart and attitude have been questioned but maybe some of that was Monty's fault
- I recall reading the Suns won the minutes he played in the Finals vs Bucks.
- I noticed when Knicks played at Portland this year Ayton was killing it with jumpers from the free throw line. Not floaters like Hartenstein but nice jump shots, an element neither iHart or Mitch provided. I think he had 30 that game, or almost
- Thibs could improve his rim protection
- he's buddies with Mikal, and in general Knicks culture would get him to play with hard

I don't know all the salary or trade details, but there's a lot of positives imo.

Yes, Ayton was a really good 2 way player prior to beefing with Monty. He would be a good get

[Capn'O]

That dumbass trade he posted had Precious for 3 years, not 1 at 25 million.

I've been over all of this with Melo before. He's just being a butt head.

The tweet that was posted was actually trading him for 3 years but a 1st year salary of 25 MM...then declining for year 2 at $20 MM then year 3 at 15 MM which descending contracts can't be that steep of a decline...



He did it so that the salary would match Ayton 32 MM salary so that is why he inflated Precious deal to $25 MM to get it to work on the trade checker but we legit can't sign Precious to anywhere near that number.

S&T's have to be a minimum of 3 years (the last two however can be unguaranteed). So at least that part of the guys tweet was accurate (the only part of the tweet). But we still can't sign Precious for $25 MM in year one....I think we are only 13 MM under the hard cap and we can't go over that. Since after the Mikal trade we are no hard capped at the 2nd apron.

You're doing that mpharris thing where you get swept up in the details of something and lose sight of the bigger picture which is that Melo's being annoying.

[3toheadmelo]

[mpharris36]

That dumbass trade he posted had Precious for 3 years, not 1 at 25 million.

I've been over all of this with Melo before. He's just being a butt head.

The tweet that was posted was actually trading him for 3 years but a 1st year salary of 25 MM...then declining for year 2 at $20 MM then year 3 at 15 MM which descending contracts can't be that steep of a decline...



He did it so that the salary would match Ayton 32 MM salary so that is why he inflated Precious deal to $25 MM to get it to work on the trade checker but we legit can't sign Precious to anywhere near that number.

S&T's have to be a minimum of 3 years (the last two however can be unguaranteed). So at least that part of the guys tweet was accurate (the only part of the tweet). But we still can't sign Precious for $25 MM in year one....I think we are only 13 MM under the hard cap and we can't go over that. Since after the Mikal trade we are no hard capped at the 2nd apron.

You're doing that mpharris thing where you get swept up in the details of something and lose sight of the bigger picture which is that Melo's being annoying.

Hey, I just go off the premise no idea is a dumb idea.

Who am I to judge someones wants and dreams...

But the math gotta work!

[Knicksfan1992]

Not that I endorse it but, could the Knicks, in theory, do something like

Mitch (14 million to 3rd team)
Precious S&T to Blazers (13 million max allowed)
Deuce to Blazers
Vet min guy (likely Sims) to either Blazers or 3rd team

and get Ayton back that way without giving up Randle?

I'm sure that breaks some rule with new aprons lol. I'm still trying to feel my way around these things but I think the pure math adds up there? Unless i'm missing something

Would be a complicated structure obviously and highly improbable but nonetheless...

[knicksstuff]

Does anyone know if the Knicks can resign Jacob Toppin using their Tax MLE and do a sign and trade to include in the deal sicne hes their own player?

[Spree2Houston]

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