2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[Hallstar]

I think there's a real possibility Banchero becomes a top 5 player. He's 6'10, can handle like a guard, and is incredible skilled. I think it was on the Miller/Haslem podcast a NBA player stated how big (tall and strong) in person.

At some point you have to go to the top of the right draft...

Would trade everybody for multiple chances at Flagg as I would have for Wemby

[al bondiga]

Might be a bit ageist, but iffy on Tucker being more than an assistant coach. Rather play Keshad/Ware

Tucker would be a fantastic locker room guy and mentor. Probably still good for 15 dog minutes a night. I agree with Ware and Keshad but having Tucker to hound them should be a good thing.

Please no Tucker here... He is a Hoodlum... That means he can be a big positive or a big negative for the locker room And I definitely don't wanna take any chances With the young guys Learning hugely bad Habits.

[Kobewade11]

Might be a bit ageist, but iffy on Tucker being more than an assistant coach. Rather play Keshad/Ware

Tucker would be a fantastic locker room guy and mentor. Probably still good for 15 dog minutes a night. I agree with Ware and Keshad but having Tucker to hound them should be a good thing.

Please no Tucker here... He is a Hoodlum... That means he can be a big positive or a big negative for the locker room And I definitely don't wanna take any chances With the young guys Learning hugely bad Habits.

he's a what?

[Vertical Limit]

Next season with the roster we have right now, we are 190 million invested in contracts. Duncan, rozier and butler would still be on the roster assuming butler opts in. The following season, once most of those contracts expire, we are 92 million invested with Herro, Bam, JJJ and Ware still in the books. We can make that number turn be 59 million if we find a trade for Herro that brings back expirings.

That would open up potentially 2 max slots for the 26-27 offseason after the salary cap continues to go up.

So whatever deal we get from here till next season, we cant have any contracts that go beyond next season. We will take on anything that can get us picks but the contact expires this or next seasonz

I think that is the plan. If something comes up that is too good to pass up Riley and Arison will pull the trigger. But, they're not going to make any moves to bring in a guy the caliber of ROzier whose contract extends pass next season so they have the cap space for 26-27.

They're also going to have to make a decision on Jovic that offseason. But, two more years should be enough time to help make a decision.

Believe me the decision has been made. He does not have a future with the Heat, it would be beyond stupid to hurt our chances at two max slots to pit with Bam by extending Jovic. What always has mattered to the heat is star power. Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Lebron, Ray Allen, Hardaway, Alonso. Thats what matters here. Rings matter.


We take the hit this season and next, we trade away our first if its not high enough for a future first so that we dont add more money to the teams payroll.

Prepare for the next generation of the Miami Heat, its going to look very different but exciting in 2026 with Bam, JJJ and Ware still on board and developed.

[VaDe255]

I think there's a real possibility Banchero becomes a top 5 player. He's 6'10, can handle like a guard, and is incredible skilled. I think it was on the Miller/Haslem podcast a NBA player stated how big (tall and strong) in person.

I mean, he could, but right now he is far from that.
M. Wagner, J. Suggs, F. Wagner on that team are contributing more to their success than Banchero.

Banchero is chucking shots a lot and ye he does score, but the scoring is below average efficiency. He is still young and likely will improve, but I don't have him on track to become top 5 player at all, mostly overrated and overhyped for me.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Ehhhhhhhh we’ll pass we have Dru Smith

[MettaWorldPanda]

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We got nothing Atlanta would even want for him and especially as an inter-division rival. We need to try and find the Crowder and Iguodala trade again if this team wants to try and be better than a play in team. Jovic will have to fill in as the Winslow trade filler.

[eddieheatfan]

Tucker would be a fantastic locker room guy and mentor. Probably still good for 15 dog minutes a night. I agree with Ware and Keshad but having Tucker to hound them should be a good thing.

sorry i disagree we need players that are willing to play ball and at least try to win. the heat doesnt need anymore locker room mascots. supposedly, the heat has kevin love for that,no?

Kevin Love isn't a teammate that will look at a player in a timeout and say what was that ****. Miami absolutely needs an outspoken high effort player(which Hayward is not at this point), someone on the bench who cares about giving effort each night even if they're not playing much, Tucker is one of those guys.

the coach should assume that role. otherwise he is a failure as a coach. its just that simple. the coach must be accountable to both himself and his players,


i really dont in this narrative that you have to have somebody in the locker room to either make you feel good or to tell you that you need to step up

btw, i believe that the heat will win tonight.

[al bondiga]

YES... It's the coach and only the coach job to make you feel good or bad... one voice... Especially if you have young talent... Maybe A good floor manager... How many voices do you want a young guy to hear???

[RexBoyWonder]

Next season with the roster we have right now, we are 190 million invested in contracts. Duncan, rozier and butler would still be on the roster assuming butler opts in. The following season, once most of those contracts expire, we are 92 million invested with Herro, Bam, JJJ and Ware still in the books. We can make that number turn be 59 million if we find a trade for Herro that brings back expirings.

That would open up potentially 2 max slots for the 26-27 offseason after the salary cap continues to go up.

So whatever deal we get from here till next season, we cant have any contracts that go beyond next season. We will take on anything that can get us picks but the contact expires this or next seasonz

You don't get free agent superstar anymore, every player worth a damn is extending with his current team.

Who exactly are we siging with all our cap space in 26-27?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We got nothing Atlanta would even want for him and especially as an inter-division rival. We need to try and find the Crowder and Iguodala trade again if this team wants to try and be better than a play in team. Jovic will have to fill in as the Winslow trade filler.

I’m moreso talking about this summer when he was available for Pennies and had 0 interest around the league. Could’ve worked something out with picks and the young guys plus Herro, the division stuff I don’t really care about and neither does a rebuilding team accumulating assets.

I’m not one for the excuses anymore for why the FO can or can’t get something done, they either do or they don’t and with this FO they just don’t.

This ship has sailed, his value is about to skyrocket as he’s a top 5-10 offensive player in this league. The opportunity to strike was this summer, we didn’t.

[AirP.]

sorry i disagree we need players that are willing to play ball and at least try to win. the heat doesnt need anymore locker room mascots. supposedly, the heat has kevin love for that,no?

Kevin Love isn't a teammate that will look at a player in a timeout and say what was that ****. Miami absolutely needs an outspoken high effort player(which Hayward is not at this point), someone on the bench who cares about giving effort each night even if they're not playing much, Tucker is one of those guys.

the coach should assume that role. otherwise he is a failure as a coach. its just that simple. the coach must be accountable to both himself and his players,


i really dont in this narrative that you have to have somebody in the locker room to either make you feel good or to tell you that you need to step up

btw, i believe that the heat will win tonight.

I think the coach and be tuned out and this "group" has been with Miami for multiple years, some for over half a decade. Being yelled at in year 1 will hit a lot harder than year 3 or year 5. Having a teammate out there working his ass off and asking/yelling for his teammates to give the same effort hits a lot harder than a coach yelling at the team for the 3rd-6th consecutive year.

[AirP.]

I just don't want to look at those plays from game 1 but just had too. My expected take from a game like that is Herro hijacking the offense, taking people out of the flow of the game and just hurting the offense, not game 1, Herro played in control, took the shots the offense created and outside of missing 3 straight in the 3rd quarter, not an issue on the offensive side and played within the offense. The issue, quite possibly the biggest issue for Miami is Rozier and how selfish he was (which could be worse playing against his old team). Did Rozier take good shots in the offense... absolutely but he sure did a lot of dribbling hunting for his shots, something Herro has done up till this season (so far).

For those who'd like to look back at all of Rozier's shots in game 1, you can find them at this NBA.com link. Rozier did take some good shots in the offense, but did he really hijack the offense multiple times.

Butler was open as a spacer... not a thought of passing out to him.


Weird but again Rozier doesn't have a thought to pass it to the wide-open player.


This one is nuts, this is from streaking down the court and no thought of passing it.

[AirP.]

Last year here's the average touches per game for the main players...
Herro 65.1
Rozier 63.5
Bam 63.0
Butler 61.0

Here's game 1 touches...
Rozier 77
Jovic 52
Herro 48
Jaquez Jr 44
Highsmith 42
Bam 41
Butler 37

[VaDe255]

Last year here's the average touches per game for the main players...
Herro 65.1
Rozier 63.5
Bam 63.0
Butler 61.0

Here's game 1 touches...
Rozier 77
Jovic 52
Herro 48
Jaquez Jr 44
Highsmith 42
Bam 41
Butler 37

The Heat have become the Miami Hornets.
It's early to be fair and I don't mind Terry having the ball a lot, but he can't be chucking shots, if he gets the ball this much it must lead to high assist total, 5 is on the low end for this much usage, should be closer to double digits.

Herro's shot plot looked like Duncan's in that first game, 0 mid range shots and everything at rim or 3p line.

Think they are fine if Butler/Bam play better, can't win games if your top paid players don't get anything done, 3 points for a guy getting paid 49m is almost unheard of.

[AirP.]

Last year here's the average touches per game for the main players...
Herro 65.1
Rozier 63.5
Bam 63.0
Butler 61.0

Here's game 1 touches...
Rozier 77
Jovic 52
Herro 48
Jaquez Jr 44
Highsmith 42
Bam 41
Butler 37

The Heat have become the Miami Hornets.
It's early to be fair and I don't mind Terry having the ball a lot, but he can't be chucking shots, if he gets the ball this much it must lead to high assist total, 5 is on the low end for this much usage, should be closer to double digits.

Herro's shot plot looked like Duncan's in that first game, 0 mid range shots and everything at rim or 3p line.

Think they are fine if Butler/Bam play better, can't win games if your top paid players don't get anything done, 3 points for a guy getting paid 49m is almost unheard of.

Maybe... they were available for open shots and they weren't given the ball by someone forcing shots they shouldn't have been? What are you going to do if you just aren't getting the ball when open?

Spoiler:

[Vertical Limit]

Keep working that trade value herro, rozier and now butler.. yall aint fooling me no more

[twix2500]

Heat offensive rating to Butler usage per quarter of the Charlotte Hornets game.

Qt ~ Team OffRtg ~ Butler Usage

1st ~ 102.1 ~ 17.9
2nd ~ 108.7 ~ 31.3
3rd ~ 100.0 ~ 21.7
4th ~ 124.0 ~ 47.8

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[twix2500]

The first two games of Rozier - Herro - Butler - Jovic - Adebayo
29 min, 93.2 OffRtg, 113.3 DefRtg. 98.2 Pace

The next most used unit is Rozier - Robinson - Jaquez - Highsmith - Bryant
13 mins, 115.4 OffRtg, 129.6 DefRtg, 97.8 Pace

[twix2500]

The first two games of Rozier - Herro - Butler - Jovic - Adebayo
29 min, 93.2 OffRtg, 113.3 DefRtg. 98.2 Pace

The next most used unit is Rozier - Robinson - Jaquez - Highsmith - Bryant
13 mins, 115.4 OffRtg, 129.6 DefRtg, 97.8 Pace

Three point shooting from these two units

Rozier - 2.5 3pm, 6.5 3PA, 38.5 %
Herro - 2.5 3pm, 6.0 3PA, 41.7 %
Butler - 0.5 3pm, 2.5 3PA, 20%
Jovic - 1.5 3pm, 6.0 3PA, 25%
Adebayo - 0.0 3pm, 2.0 3PA, 0%
Robinson - 1.0 3pm, 5.0 3PA, 20%
Highsmith - 1 3pm, 2. 3PA, 50%
Jaquez - 2.0 3pm, 2.0 3PA, 100%
Bryant - 0.5 3pm, 0.5 3PA, 100%

total average 35% for the players in the top two units played.