PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging...

[R-DAWG]

I know this isn't on the Knicks because they could only offer iHart 18m a year but they did bungle the first signing and not give him 3 years right?

Look at some of the biggest plays last year and iHart is in the middle of it. Whether its tapping out, grabbing offensive rebound or making a crisp pass. He was our elite defender in the middle with some semblance on the offense end.

Not sure on IHart but they surely could have been creative keeping Jalen Duren, especially this wheeling and dealing FO.
We’d be sitting pretty right now.

Moving off the 11th pick in 2022 to dump salary (when there were other paths to do so) was a mistake in hindsight. Both Jalen Duran and Jalen Williams were available with that pick.

Frankly, I'm not sure why Leon Rose has punted on the draft since 2021. He had some nice success with Quickely, Grimes and McBride.

This organization is in really bad shape going forward.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Lmaooo WTF man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Knick4Real]

I think KNICKS fans have unrealistic expectations.

We went from being a joke in the league (bad team, bad coach, bad front office) to an elite team in the NBA. We have to stop discounting that progress as if it's a failure when the reality is it's a HUGE leap that lesser teams wish they could experience. We also have to stop expecting that we "should" or "are owed" to win a championship THIS YEAR. Teams don't make huge rebuilds to their roster (like we did) and win it all in the same year -- and it's a bit foolish to expect it like it's some natural formula. Additionally, losing to the Cavs, Boston, or OKC is not a correct measuring stick for success or failure. We may never face any of those teams in the postseason.

The smart move would be for us to stop grading the team as if we should be heading to a championship in June because we're probably not. Instead, we would be wise to throw away all expectations, applaud the progress and enjoy the ride. IF we go all the way, then it's a pleasant surprise.

I doubt any other fan base who was sitting 3rd in the East and Top 5 in the entire league would be as disappointed and doomed as we are.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Lmaooo WTF man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is comical, these guys have to be protected from themselves.

[spree2kawhi]

Mikal and OOG are still nice enough the Knicks could get picks or youth for them to move in that trade. Hart might have to go out too.

Both Mikal and OG do have good value around the league - not 3 future unprotected plus an unprotected swap from an historically bad organization value. But I think breaking one of them - likely into OG - into two rotation pieces plus a pick or 2 is achievable.

Think something like this 3 team trade:

NY: Malik Monk, Isiah Stewart, 2027 1st rd pick (lessor of SAC/SAS), 2031 1st rd pick (lessor of MIN/SAC)
SAC: OG Anunoby
Detroit: 2nd Rd Picks from SAC

Turn OG into a rim protecting big to play next to Towns and another guy who can put the ball on the floor and create offense. Plus recoup some first round draft capital, although not high end draft capital.

No...absolutely not, brutal trade. Kneejerk reaction to losses to the top 3 teams in the game. Can we see this team at 100% in a few games before we wave the white flag and not even play the playoffs? Pathetic fan base we have.....

This.

[R-DAWG]

Mikal and OOG are still nice enough the Knicks could get picks or youth for them to move in that trade. Hart might have to go out too.

Both Mikal and OG do have good value around the league - not 3 future unprotected plus an unprotected swap from an historically bad organization value. But I think breaking one of them - likely into OG - into two rotation pieces plus a pick or 2 is achievable.

Think something like this 3 team trade:

NY: Malik Monk, Isiah Stewart, 2027 1st rd pick (lessor of SAC/SAS), 2031 1st rd pick (lessor of MIN/SAC)
SAC: OG Anunoby
Detroit: 2nd Rd Picks from SAC

Turn OG into a rim protecting big to play next to Towns and another guy who can put the ball on the floor and create offense. Plus recoup some first round draft capital, although not high end draft capital.

No...absolutely not, brutal trade. Kneejerk reaction to losses to the top 3 teams in the game. Can we see this team at 100% in a few games before we wave the white flag and not even play the playoffs? Pathetic fan base we have.....

It's not a kneejerk reaction. I have been saying this since the night of the disastrous Bridges trade. Everything I said back in June about that trade and this team has come true. The Knicks built a regular season team that is far from a contender, with no viable path to improve the team over the next 7 years unless they somehow get a haul for Bridges or Anunoby.

[WargamesX]

Mikal and OOG are still nice enough the Knicks could get picks or youth for them to move in that trade. Hart might have to go out too.

Both Mikal and OG do have good value around the league - not 3 future unprotected plus an unprotected swap from an historically bad organization value. But I think breaking one of them - likely into OG - into two rotation pieces plus a pick or 2 is achievable.

Think something like this 3 team trade:

NY: Malik Monk, Isiah Stewart, 2027 1st rd pick (lessor of SAC/SAS), 2031 1st rd pick (lessor of MIN/SAC)
SAC: OG Anunoby
Detroit: 2nd Rd Picks from SAC

Turn OG into a rim protecting big to play next to Towns and another guy who can put the ball on the floor and create offense. Plus recoup some first round draft capital, although not high end draft capital.

No...absolutely not, brutal trade. Kneejerk reaction to losses to the top 3 teams in the game. Can we see this team at 100% in a few games before we wave the white flag and not even play the playoffs? Pathetic fan base we have.....

See my other post, and keep in mind the trade window is over so anything said here is based on the season being over and this being a offseason trade. I think Mitch makes the Knicks a lot better but if he doesn’t both he and one of OG or Mikal are out of here.

It would be irresponsible to do anything else, since they have no other way to improve on this core.

[3toheadmelo]

0-7 against OKC, Cleveland and Boston.

[3toheadmelo]

At least we got Juan pablo.

[WargamesX]

0-7 against OKC, Cleveland and Boston.

Yeah I was talking to a Heat fan I know and he used that stat to shut me down when I started saying the Knicks could make a run. He said it so matter of fact like I couldn’t even argue and changed the subject back to the Heat.

[BadNewsBarnes]

Every friggen game we get burned by our 3-pt defense. Is anyone sick of this by now?

[LFGK]

Both Mikal and OG do have good value around the league - not 3 future unprotected plus an unprotected swap from an historically bad organization value. But I think breaking one of them - likely into OG - into two rotation pieces plus a pick or 2 is achievable.

Think something like this 3 team trade:

NY: Malik Monk, Isiah Stewart, 2027 1st rd pick (lessor of SAC/SAS), 2031 1st rd pick (lessor of MIN/SAC)
SAC: OG Anunoby
Detroit: 2nd Rd Picks from SAC

Turn OG into a rim protecting big to play next to Towns and another guy who can put the ball on the floor and create offense. Plus recoup some first round draft capital, although not high end draft capital.

No...absolutely not, brutal trade. Kneejerk reaction to losses to the top 3 teams in the game. Can we see this team at 100% in a few games before we wave the white flag and not even play the playoffs? Pathetic fan base we have.....

It's not a kneejerk reaction. I have been saying this since the night of the disastrous Bridges trade. Everything I said back in June about that trade and this team has come true. The Knicks built a regular season team that is far from a contender, with no viable path to improve the team over the next 7 years unless they somehow get a haul for Bridges or Anunoby.

We know nothing until we see the team at 100% and the playoffs....people overreact way to damn much. Let's see how they look with Mitch back

[TKKnicks1]

I think KNICKS fans have unrealistic expectations.

We went from being a joke in the league (bad team, bad coach, bad front office) to an elite team in the NBA. We have to stop discounting that progress as if it's a failure when the reality is it's a HUGE leap that lesser teams wish they could experience. We also have to stop expecting that we "should" or "are owed" to win a championship THIS YEAR. Teams don't make huge rebuilds to their roster (like we did) and win it all in the same year -- and it's a bit foolish to expect it like it's some natural formula. Additionally, losing to the Cavs, Boston, or OKC is not a correct measuring stick for success or failure. We may never face any of those teams in the postseason.

The smart move would be for us to stop grading the team as if we should be heading to a championship in June because we're probably not. Instead, we would be wise to throw away all expectations, applaud the progress and enjoy the ride. IF we go all the way, then it's a pleasant surprise.

I doubt any other fan base who was sitting 3rd in the East and Top 5 in the entire league would be as disappointed and doomed as we are.

I like your calm approach and rationale during a time where people here are saying we should trade OG for the likes of Isiah Fn Stewart. The fact still remains that the team is talented but the coaching is severely lacking. I agree this is not the year but the FO has really only given this current squad a 3 year window. We won't get to the parade during this time frame with Thibs, that I am 100% sure on.

[Chanel Bomber]

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[spree2kawhi]

I think KNICKS fans have unrealistic expectations.

We went from being a joke in the league (bad team, bad coach, bad front office) to an elite team in the NBA. We have to stop discounting that progress as if it's a failure when the reality is it's a HUGE leap that lesser teams wish they could experience. We also have to stop expecting that we "should" or "are owed" to win a championship THIS YEAR. Teams don't make huge rebuilds to their roster (like we did) and win it all in the same year -- and it's a bit foolish to expect it like it's some natural formula. Additionally, losing to the Cavs, Boston, or OKC is not a correct measuring stick for success or failure. We may never face any of those teams in the postseason.

The smart move would be for us to stop grading the team as if we should be heading to a championship in June because we're probably not. Instead, we would be wise to throw away all expectations, applaud the progress and enjoy the ride. IF we go all the way, then it's a pleasant surprise.

I doubt any other fan base who was sitting 3rd in the East and Top 5 in the entire league would be as disappointed and doomed as we are.

This is exactly my stance but people will even go further than what you describe and celebrate Knicks losses to bolster their tiny egos. It’s really unbelievable.

[3toheadmelo]

0-7 against OKC, Cleveland and Boston.

Yeah I was talking to a Heat fan I know and he used that stat to shut me down when I started saying the Knicks could make a run. He said it so matter of fact like I couldn’t even argue and changed the subject back to the Heat.

It's the harsh reality. Until we start beating those teams, there's nothing we can say that makes us contenders. We're just a team that beats up on bad teams unfortunately.

[LFGK]

Both Mikal and OG do have good value around the league - not 3 future unprotected plus an unprotected swap from an historically bad organization value. But I think breaking one of them - likely into OG - into two rotation pieces plus a pick or 2 is achievable.

Think something like this 3 team trade:

NY: Malik Monk, Isiah Stewart, 2027 1st rd pick (lessor of SAC/SAS), 2031 1st rd pick (lessor of MIN/SAC)
SAC: OG Anunoby
Detroit: 2nd Rd Picks from SAC

Turn OG into a rim protecting big to play next to Towns and another guy who can put the ball on the floor and create offense. Plus recoup some first round draft capital, although not high end draft capital.

No...absolutely not, brutal trade. Kneejerk reaction to losses to the top 3 teams in the game. Can we see this team at 100% in a few games before we wave the white flag and not even play the playoffs? Pathetic fan base we have.....

See my other post, and keep in mind the trade window is over so anything said here is based on the season being over and this being a offseason trade. I think Mitch makes the Knicks a lot better but if he doesn’t both he and one of OG or Mikal are out of here.

It would be irresponsible to do anything else, since they have no other way to improve on this core.

Again in people are saying the season is over, the team sucks, we won't win a game in the playoffs and all this nonsense. More likely what I see is the jets/patriots reg season blowout and then the "CANT WAIT" game in the playoffs. This team is VERY different with with Mitch he fixes a lot of our biggest issues

[spree2kawhi]

Every friggen game we get burned by our 3-pt defense. Is anyone sick of this by now?

You cannot guard threes and help down low. We need a shot-blocker (back). This isn’t hard to understand.

[Chanel Bomber]

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Lmaooo WTF man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is comical, these guys have to be protected from themselves.

Thibs: "so you're saying you can give it a go with the tibia bone sticking out from your leg? I believe you."

[robillionaire]

I think KNICKS fans have unrealistic expectations.

We went from being a joke in the league (bad team, bad coach, bad front office) to an elite team in the NBA. We have to stop discounting that progress as if it's a failure when the reality is it's a HUGE leap that lesser teams wish they could experience. We also have to stop expecting that we "should" or "are owed" to win a championship THIS YEAR. Teams don't make huge rebuilds to their roster (like we did) and win it all in the same year -- and it's a bit foolish to expect it like it's some natural formula. Additionally, losing to the Cavs, Boston, or OKC is not a correct measuring stick for success or failure. We may never face any of those teams in the postseason.

The smart move would be for us to stop grading the team as if we should be heading to a championship in June because we're probably not. Instead, we would be wise to throw away all expectations, applaud the progress and enjoy the ride. IF we go all the way, then it's a pleasant surprise.

I doubt any other fan base who was sitting 3rd in the East and Top 5 in the entire league would be as disappointed and doomed as we are.

Yeah, I agree. I actually still feel pretty good about where we are. Even if it’s a tier below the top couple teams we are at the doorstep. People trying to say there’s no way to improve have been saying this for years and years but Leon keeps finding ways to improve so I think we have a lot to be optimistic about although it’s hard to see fresh off getting our asses kicked a couple times. I would rather be where we are than where we usually are in February which is watching meaningless basketball