Official Wizards Draft Thread: Version 2.0

[80sballboy]

He's a high-post center that's short on athleticism (they already have that in Rasho

Koufos is more athletic than Rasho, but that's not saying much. Apparently he's been wowing them in workouts (destrying much shorter Kevin Love) and has a vertical of 35 inches.

I've heard different reports on Hibbert. Some say he's done well in workouts, tested great in all the character issues and off the court stuff and will go anywhere from 13-22. Teams will tend to take chances on young, more athletic bigs like Jordan and McGee so we'll see.

[closg00]

The Bobcats need a big also, but who knows what MJ will do, he's 0 for 2 with his draft picks. Thursday night should be wild.

[LyricalRico]

Larry Bird has said that the Pacers want another first. What about going back to our plan of using our pick to dump Etan?

Wizards trade: Etan and #18
Pacers trade: Foster, Diener, and #41
TRADE ID 4665817

Indy gets their wish to get another shot at picking in the first round. The Wiz get an upgrade at backup C, a solution to the 2009 luxury tax, our 5th guard, and we get another 2nd to play with.

41 - Hendrix/Dorsey/White (whichever is still there)
47 - Giddens/Gordon/Nelson (whichever is still there)

Haywood/Foster
Jamison/Blatche/Songaila
Caron/McGuire
Stevenson/Young
Arenas/Daniels/Diener

Inactive - Pesh, 2 second round picks

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

Larry Bird has said that the Pacers want another first. What about going back to our plan of using our pick to dump Etan?

Wizards trade: Etan and #18
Pacers trade: Foster, Diener, and #41
TRADE ID 4665817

Indy gets their wish to get another shot at picking in the first round. The Wiz get an upgrade at backup C, a solution to the 2009 luxury tax, our 5th guard, and we get another 2nd to play with.

41 - Hendrix/Dorsey/White (whichever is still there)
47 - Giddens/Gordon/Nelson (whichever is still there)

Haywood/Foster
Jamison/Blatche/Songaila
Caron/McGuire
Stevenson/Young
Arenas/Daniels/Diener

Inactive - Pesh, 2 second round picks

I'll cosign that. Not a whole lot of value back for the 18, but it's worth it dumping Etan's contract, and your options at 41 and 47 would be decent.

I could see Foster being the next Ruffin/Etan though in terms of being a staple in EJ's rotations. But with his rebounding against the Cavs who knows how much better we would have held up.

[mhd]

Larry Bird has said that the Pacers want another first. What about going back to our plan of using our pick to dump Etan?

Wizards trade: Etan and #18
Pacers trade: Foster, Diener, and #41
TRADE ID 4665817

Indy gets their wish to get another shot at picking in the first round. The Wiz get an upgrade at backup C, a solution to the 2009 luxury tax, our 5th guard, and we get another 2nd to play with.

41 - Hendrix/Dorsey/White (whichever is still there)
47 - Giddens/Gordon/Nelson (whichever is still there)

Haywood/Foster
Jamison/Blatche/Songaila
Caron/McGuire
Stevenson/Young
Arenas/Daniels/Diener

Inactive - Pesh, 2 second round picks

If we trading the 18, I'd rather gut Dunleavy back. I admit that I'm partial to his game, but he'd a great fit as a ball-handling 6th man.

Wiz trade:
1) #18
2) AD
3) Songaila
for:
1) Dunleavy
2) Diener

Pacers clear some salary off of Dunleavy's deal. AD would be a good PG behind Tinsley.

[LyricalRico]

^ The problem with that variation is that it leaves us without a reliable backup PG. Diener is a solid emergency option but not a full-time backup IMO. Not only that but we get absolutely zero cap savings.

Foster's expiring + keeping AD >>> paying Dunleavy to play spot minutes behind Caron.

While we do get a more talented player in your deal, I think that based on the team's current situation (roster and finances) my deal is actually better. Yours looks better on paper while mine provides more tangible benefits in real life.

[FreeBalling]

I just don't see where Hibbert can play on this team.

We have Haywood who is one of the better centers in the league, and who will command about 30 minutes per game.

We then have Etan Thomas, one of the better backup centers in the league, who will play about 15-18 minutes per game. Since Haywood has shown much improvement, I think we can finally see Etan how he should be seen - a quality backup.

We also have Andray Blatche who will play limited minutes at center, and Pecherov who might get a few as well.

There is absolutely no room for Hibbert on this team unless you want to draft him, and not play him until Etan's deal is up and hope that we don't resign Etan.

I mean, I like the idea of drafting BPA, but when that best player has absolutely no room for the team that drafts him, it becomes a problem.

I want either a point guard or a small forward.

Miller I'm not sold on Thomas (puts the ball on the floor to much) or Opec (Face to the hoops never passes the ball). I'd trade Thomas as fast as I could. So I see a spot for Roy.

I'm in agreement with coach Thompson on Roy, you can't teach a person to be 7-2 278, works hard every day, NBA ready, good passer, good NBA body and we need a person to replace Haywoood down the road. The NBA is full of small guys, but few good big men. Missing on him will cost us down the road. I dont think he will be there at 18 IMO. If he is please take him EG.

Blatche is a fluid PF, sure he can play the 5 spot.

Why did BH produce this year, EG had no choice but to play him. Our coach is in love with small ball (Speed vs. Size.) Maybe he's playing what he feels is the best team. Fact is we got out rebounded in the playoffs all the time. I wanted to see AJ @ SF and Blatche at PF all year.

Did you hear BH on the John Thompson show today? He wants a big/banger. Good interview.

[fishercob]

Since Georgetown played at an incredibly slow pace, you really need to look at Roy Hibbert's stats using "pace adjusted" numbers.

Hibbert, despite recording only 6.4 rebounds a game -- was one of the best rebounders in the nation. He captured 11.5% of all available offensive rebounds, and 17% of all available defensive rebounds.

His 2.2 blocks a game become more impressive when you account for tempo, too: he blocked an incredible 9.8% of opponent shots.

His size and instincts are unquestionable. He remains high in the ranks for shooting percentage, foul-drawing, and not turning the ball over.

He does everything you want a big to do -- shoot well, rebound well, defend well, pass well, set good screens, protect the ball, draw contact, Shoot a decent FT percentage.

The best thing is, he can do all of that RIGHT NOW for the Wizards coming off the Bench. He's not better than Haywood, but he IS better than the other options (Etan Thomas and Blatche, who's natural position is PF)

DeAndre Jordan, Devon Hardin or Javele McGee MAY improve enough in three years to catch up with Hibbert. But why wait?

Some say that Hibbert won't improve, to justify refusing Hibbert on the basis of his "lack of upside" alone. It's a bit silly when you really think about it.

He's a VERY efficient scorer. He averages 1.22 points per possession (slightly lower than Kevin Love at 1.27 and Speights at 1.24)... but clearly a cut above the other Centers in the draft.

The negatives against Hibbert are all subjective:
"He's too slow" - and how many 2nd unit Centers are going to win a sprint?
"He didn't improve between his Junior and Senior Year" - I don't know how to debunk that argument, ESPECIALLY when all I have to compare Hibbert to is players like: Lopez (sophmore), Speights (Sophmore), DeAndre Jordan (Freshman), JaVale McGee (Sophmore)....
"Lacks Athleticism" - And just how many 7-ft "athletic" Centers do you think are in the NBA NOW?

How about a better question: How would Hibbert do playing against the Back-up Centers in the East? The likes of: Adonal Foyle (Orl), Zaza Pachulia (Atl), Reggie Evans (Phi), Dan Gadzuric (Mil), Anderson Varejao (Cle), Randolph Morris (NYK), David Harrison (Ind), DeSagana Diop (NJN)

I'm not necessarily endorsing Hibbert over say, Marreese Speights. But I'd honestly be thrilled with a Hibbert choice at #18. The evidence suggests he'd be a terrific pick for the Wizards.

I loved the info in here. Very well put together. Is this one of our own, per chance?

[LyricalRico]

^ Great stuff. Nice use of actual facts and good familiarity with the concept of pace. Hints that Haywood isn't bum and understands that Blatche is really a PF. Also good knowledge of other team's personnel. The sad part is I doubt that Ivan could even follow half of that.

Well, there were no EJ references so that rules out the entire WizBoard 23. The use of stats sounds like nate and the even-handed delivery reminds me of CCJ. I also see a little Ruz in there. But I'm guessing any of them would have used a handle that would have at least given us a clue.

Hmmm...not poetic enough to be doc and not enough venom to be Dat.

I'm guessing either a lurker or a really informed fan that would be an awesome addition to our board. Join us, whoever you are.

[AgentOvechkin08]

well as most of you guys know Diaw and Barbosa are on the market. I wouldnt not mind Barbosa, but dont really want to make a deal happen. Anyway, Espn is reporting that there is a deal in the works that would send Portland’s 13th pick, martell webster and another piece to Phoenix for Barbosa. With that said I decided to get a three team deal with us and them two. Before I give the trade Phoenix has a trade exception with Kurt Thomas and James Jones. So what we trade to phoenix can be absorbed with out them having to trade us any players. So I’m using that in this trade.
Call me crazy later…
We trade:
Songaila
Pecherov(TE)
Stevenson(TE)
Veremeenko(rights)
09 1st

We receive:
15th overall(Phx)
Raja Bell

Portland Trades:
13th pick
Webster
other player

They receive:
Barbosa
Veremeenko

Phoenix Trades:
Barbosa
Bell
15th

They Receive:
Pecherov
Songaila
Stevenson
13th pick
Webster
other player
09 1st

We draft Ajinca at 15 because he might not get past 17 and Batum at 18. At 47 we get Foster from Vanderbilt who can replace Mason

New lineup:
Arenas/Daniels
Bell/Young/Foster(47)
Butler/Dmac/Batum(18)
Jamison/Blatche
Haywood/Etan/Ajinca(15)

OK…so in this deal Portland gets what they want in barbosa and VV.
Phoenix gets 13th pick and a big that can hit the 3 (pecherov)
a spot up 3 point shooter (Dsteve), a player that can excell in the pick and pop (songaila) and a future 1st.
We get a great Defender in Bell and two rookies with ooooo that word, unbelievable *upside* and unlimited *potential*

Hey we probably give up too much but I think it would be worth it. Our bench get very young but very athletic. And we still have that nice mix of vets.
I CANT WAIT UNTIL THE DRAFT LOL

[AgentOvechkin08]

^
or maybe instead of Ajinca we get Hibbert, and somehow dump Etans contract later.

[Kanyewest]

Here's a site with a unique way of rating prospects. http://scoutingthenba.com/

I thought they had Nick Young at 40 before.

[tkunit]

well as most of you guys know Diaw and Barbosa are on the market. I wouldnt not mind Barbosa,

I would send some kind of package iwth the #18 for barbosa. Him and gil would be one scarey fast back court. I don't know if he plays D though but still so fast.

[Ruzious]

^ Great stuff. Nice use of actual facts and good familiarity with the concept of pace. Hints that Haywood isn't bum and understands that Blatche is really a PF. Also good knowledge of other team's personnel. The sad part is I doubt that Ivan could even follow half of that.

Well, there were no EJ references so that rules out the entire WizBoard 23. The use of stats sounds like nate and the even-handed delivery reminds me of CCJ. I also see a little Ruz in there. But I'm guessing any of them would have used a handle that would have at least given us a clue.

Hmmm...not poetic enough to be doc and not enough venom to be Dat.

I'm guessing either a lurker or a really informed fan that would be an awesome addition to our board. Join us, whoever you are.

I'm not as good with stat manipulation as that guy appears to be. It was an interesting and compelling argument, because I concur with his conclusions.

[closg00]

Since Georgetown played at an incredibly slow pace, you really need to look at Roy Hibbert's stats using "pace adjusted" numbers.

Hibbert, despite recording only 6.4 rebounds a game -- was one of the best rebounders in the nation. He captured 11.5% of all available offensive rebounds, and 17% of all available defensive rebounds.

His 2.2 blocks a game become more impressive when you account for tempo, too: he blocked an incredible 9.8% of opponent shots.

His size and instincts are unquestionable. He remains high in the ranks for shooting percentage, foul-drawing, and not turning the ball over.

He does everything you want a big to do -- shoot well, rebound well, defend well, pass well, set good screens, protect the ball, draw contact, Shoot a decent FT percentage.

The best thing is, he can do all of that RIGHT NOW for the Wizards coming off the Bench. He's not better than Haywood, but he IS better than the other options (Etan Thomas and Blatche, who's natural position is PF)

DeAndre Jordan, Devon Hardin or Javele McGee MAY improve enough in three years to catch up with Hibbert. But why wait?

Some say that Hibbert won't improve, to justify refusing Hibbert on the basis of his "lack of upside" alone. It's a bit silly when you really think about it.

He's a VERY efficient scorer. He averages 1.22 points per possession (slightly lower than Kevin Love at 1.27 and Speights at 1.24)... but clearly a cut above the other Centers in the draft.

The negatives against Hibbert are all subjective:
"He's too slow" - and how many 2nd unit Centers are going to win a sprint?
"He didn't improve between his Junior and Senior Year" - I don't know how to debunk that argument, ESPECIALLY when all I have to compare Hibbert to is players like: Lopez (sophmore), Speights (Sophmore), DeAndre Jordan (Freshman), JaVale McGee (Sophmore)....
"Lacks Athleticism" - And just how many 7-ft "athletic" Centers do you think are in the NBA NOW?

How about a better question: How would Hibbert do playing against the Back-up Centers in the East? The likes of: Adonal Foyle (Orl), Zaza Pachulia (Atl), Reggie Evans (Phi), Dan Gadzuric (Mil), Anderson Varejao (Cle), Randolph Morris (NYK), David Harrison (Ind), DeSagana Diop (NJN)

I'm not necessarily endorsing Hibbert over say, Marreese Speights. But I'd honestly be thrilled with a Hibbert choice at #18. The evidence suggests he'd be a terrific pick for the Wizards.

I loved the info in here. Very well put together. Is this one of our own, per chance?

It makes so much sense to draft Hibbert, that I hope our workouts were nothing but a smoke-screen, and that Hibbert was the target all along.

[Soup's Uncle]

Getiing Hibbert IMO means a certain poet on the squad is be bye.

[rook6980]

That Hibbert post was mine... I'm new to this RealGM board. Fish invited me, so I took a look around before signing up. I like the fact that this is a moderated board... and that the folks here seem to be interested in mostly talking about Basketball related issues.

[Rafael122]

Batum has a heart problem? PASS.

[newslowsad]

So, Walter Sharpe of UAB has become the first and only player that we have worked out twice. He's made some bad decisions though.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/6/9/ ... y-of-walte

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/wizardsi ... ate_6.html

[LyricalRico]

That Hibbert post was mine... I'm new to this RealGM board. Fish invited me, so I took a look around before signing up. I like the fact that this is a moderated board... and that the folks here seem to be interested in mostly talking about Basketball related issues.

Welcome aboard!