Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[verbal8]

Wizards Receive: Josh Smith, Tyrus Thomas, Brendan Haywood

Wizards Send: Andray Blatche, Kirk Hinrich, Nick Young, Yi Jianlian, Hilton Armstrong

One problem with that is that we'd have a TON of money tied up in good but not great bigs. There also wouldn't be enough minutes, making the salaries look even worse and meaning McGee probably walks.

That said, if the Hawks ever looked into moving JSmoove so they could make Horford a PF, I'd like to get in on that. If Seraphin grows into being a Perkins-type, he and Smith would be a great frontcourt combo IMO.

It turns out this is from the "30 team trade", so it is entirely a theoretical exercise.

If something like this was available, the Wizards should jump on it in a second, despite the pieces potentially fitting together poorly. Getting Josh Smith and Tyrus Thomas for pennies on the dollar, gives flexibility to deal trading talent for fit down the road.

This deal would fit with my understanding of Leonsis strategy. I think you basically develop your talent and then when you reach the contender stage you use trades and free agency to acquire guys who fit in with the core players. The Wizards are definitely in the talent acquistion stage of the strategy.

[fishercob]

So the Lakers lost to the Cavs and got torched for 32 by Ramon Sessions. I'm guessing they're just a tad more interested in Hinrich today. Exploit that sh*t, Ernie! Of course Ernie isn't much of an opportunist on the trade front, is he.

[nate33]

A HInrich to LA trade is extremely difficult to work out because of LA's lack of "filler" contracts.

My biggest hope is that LA gets a little desperate and decides to go ahead and sacrifice the future to make sure they can win a few more titles now. I'd love to see them send us Bynum for some package including Hinrich, Howard, McGee and possibly Blatche. McGee would probably get laundered through a third team in exchange for a more seasoned big man.

[nate33]

Here's a framework for a Lakers trade:

Washington trades: HInrich, Blatche
Washington receives: Bynum

LA trades: Bynum
LA receives: Hinrich, Haywood

Dallas trades: Haywood
Dallas receives: Blatche

That's certainly not enough for LA, but the rationale makes sense. They give up their young talent for a veteran C and a veteran PG that would ultimately make their team more well-balanced. I can see Dallas doing it. What needs to happen next is for LA to be given more incentive to swallow the deal. I figure we need to send out McGee somewhere, turn his potential into a more useful "win now" player, and send that player to LA. There are many possible scenarios. Here's one where I brought in Philly as the fourth team and gave Iggy to LA. Here goes:

Washington trades: HInrich, Blatche, McGee
Washington receives: Bynum

Philly trades: Iguadola
Philly receives: McGee, Artest, Walton

LA trades: Bynum, Artest, Walton
LA receives: Hinrich, Haywood, Iguadola

Dallas trades: Haywood
Dallas receives: Blatche

Philly saves some money because Walton's contract expires a year before Iggy's, plus they land a center with upside - a guy that might vault them into a top tier East team down the road instead of their current path which destines them for 2nd tier status only. LA turns Artest into Iggy.

What do you think?

[eitanr]

Several thoughts. First let me discuss the Bulls notion further.

I think we can all agree that Chicago is actively shopping for a 2-guard and if you want to start discussing a potential Nick Young deal, then that is the place where you start.

I like Seraphin and hope he can be a long term backup 5 for years to come, but I won't throw all of my eggs in one basket. On top of which I think you want some insurance at the backup front court along with Seraphin and Asik could be that guy. The Bulls could consider dealing Asik, since if they feel Noah can come back then Asik become available, since Kurt Thomas has been playing very well at that slot with Noah's absence.

Asik is a solid backup 24 yr old center. He gives you what you want in a backup 5, rugged, good defensive rebounding, smart play, can bang and has room to grow. To me though he isn't a make it or break it part of the deal. If one feels that CHI 1st rounder this year is more valuable I'm okay with that. The deal breaker is actually that CHA protected 1st round pick.

[verbal8]

A HInrich to LA trade is extremely difficult to work out because of LA's lack of "filler" contracts.

I think a Hinrich/Lakers deal would have to involve them sending out Artest(to a third team). The ironic thing is the Lakers would have an easier time with Vujacic as a filler rather than his TPE which can not really be used that way. The TPE could however be useful in acquiring a replacement for Artest.

[kirubel94]

lewis is a hometown boy in houston , we should try to pull of a trade with them , maybe jordan hill and terreance williams

[leswizards]

Here's a framework for a Lakers trade:

Washington trades: HInrich, Blatche
Washington receives: Bynum

LA trades: Bynum
LA receives: Hinrich, Haywood

Dallas trades: Haywood
Dallas receives: Blatche

I am probably going to get mocked for saying this, but that is a very fair deal as it stands. I am guessing that you are right that it is not enough for the Lakers to make the deal, but IMO the Lakers are getting more than a fair return on Bynum in that deal.

The reason I say that is Bynum is an injury prone player who has only played more than 65 games in a season once in his career. Give Bynum the benefit of the doubt and assume he plays all the remaining 25 games this season, and throw out his rookie season when he only played 46 games (more due to inexperience than injury), and you have a player who only averages 58 games a season. That needs to be taken into consideration when determining Bynum's true worth.

[eltacoman]

Tripple T TIme
Three Team Trade
----------------------------------------
Sacramento IN
Nick Young ---------- Solid to above avg SG starter (SuperAthletic)
Andray Blatche ----- Solid Bigman Starter with Potential (great contract)
Shannon Brown ---- Good potential starting guard (SuperDuperAthletic)
Yi Jianlian ------------ Althletic Bigman with still sum Potential
Hilton Armstrong---- Good shot blocking Bigman
2011 Lakers 1st------- Pick could slip to mid 20s

Sacramento OUT
DeMarcus Cousins
Samuel Dalembert
Luther Head
----------------------------------------
L.A. Lakers IN
Kirk Hinrich --------------Lakers get there man

L.A. Lakers OUT
Luke Walton
Shannon Brown
Devin Ebanks
2011 Lakers 1st
----------------------------------------
Washington IN
DeMarcus Cousins -----Potential Low-post SUPERSTAR (The next Kevin Love)
Devin Ebanks -----------Good potential super althletic wing
Samuel Dalembert -----Big Expiring Big Man vet
Luther Head ------------PG Expiring vet
Luke Walton - ----------2 years left but Really Smart and experienced vet

Washington OUT
Kirk Hinrich
Andray Blatche
Yi Jianlian
Nick Young
Hilton Armstrong

[LyricalRico]

Here's a framework for a Lakers trade:

Washington trades: HInrich, Blatche
Washington receives: Bynum

LA trades: Bynum
LA receives: Hinrich, Haywood

Dallas trades: Haywood
Dallas receives: Blatche

I am probably going to get mocked for saying this, but that is a very fair deal as it stands. I am guessing that you are right that it is not enough for the Lakers to make the deal, but IMO the Lakers are getting more than a fair return on Bynum in that deal.

The reason I say that is Bynum is an injury prone player who has only played more than 65 games in a season once in his career. Give Bynum the benefit of the doubt and assume he plays all the remaining 25 games this season, and throw out his rookie season when he only played 46 games (more due to inexperience than injury), and you have a player who only averages 58 games a season. That needs to be taken into consideration when determining Bynum's true worth.

Love it for the Wiz but looking at that a bit closer, why would Dallas do that? They don't get the best player in the deal and they give the Lakers a reliable defensive big. I would think this deal hurts them more than it helps them.

[eltacoman]

Here's a framework for a Lakers trade:

Washington trades: HInrich, Blatche
Washington receives: Bynum

LA trades: Bynum
LA receives: Hinrich, Haywood

Dallas trades: Haywood
Dallas receives: Blatche

I am probably going to get mocked for saying this, but that is a very fair deal as it stands. I am guessing that you are right that it is not enough for the Lakers to make the deal, but IMO the Lakers are getting more than a fair return on Bynum in that deal.

The reason I say that is Bynum is an injury prone player who has only played more than 65 games in a season once in his career. Give Bynum the benefit of the doubt and assume he plays all the remaining 25 games this season, and throw out his rookie season when he only played 46 games (more due to inexperience than injury), and you have a player who only averages 58 games a season. That needs to be taken into consideration when determining Bynum's true worth.

Love it for the Wiz but looking at that a bit closer, why would Dallas do that? They don't get the best player in the deal and they give the Lakers a reliable defensive big. I would think this deal hurts them more than it helps them.

The Lakers are not trading Bynum
They would of pulled the trigger for Melo if they really where going to trade him
My bet is if they dont win the Title this season they trade him this offseason for Chris Paul

[dangermouse]

Tripple T TIme
Three Team Trade
----------------------------------------
Sacramento IN
Nick Young ---------- Solid to above avg SG starter (SuperAthletic)
Andray Blatche ----- Solid Bigman Starter with Potential (great contract)
Shannon Brown ---- Good potential starting guard (SuperDuperAthletic)
Yi Jianlian ------------ Althletic Bigman with still sum Potential
Hilton Armstrong---- Good shot blocking Bigman
2011 Lakers 1st------- Pick could slip to mid 20s

Sacramento OUT
DeMarcus Cousins
Samuel Dalembert
Luther Head
----------------------------------------
L.A. Lakers IN
Kirk Hinrich --------------Lakers get there man

L.A. Lakers OUT
Luke Walton
Shannon Brown
Devin Ebanks
2011 Lakers 1st
----------------------------------------
Washington IN
DeMarcus Cousins -----Potential Low-post SUPERSTAR (The next Kevin Love)
Devin Ebanks -----------Good potential super althletic wing
Samuel Dalembert -----Big Expiring Big Man vet
Luther Head ------------PG Expiring vet
Luke Walton - ----------2 years left but Really Smart and experienced vet

Washington OUT
Kirk Hinrich
Andray Blatche
Yi Jianlian
Nick Young
Hilton Armstrong

Wow, you should be a used car salesman.

LA: I think they do it IF they keep Shannon Brown out of the deal.

Sacto: Nope. They simply arent trading Cousins for a deal like this. If he punches out the coach and gets caught in the Maloof brother's sister's bedroom in a Spiderman outfit, then they would consider something like this. But if he continues to stay the course and doesnt keep his mouth/actions in check, I still believe they would give us Cousins for McGee or Blatche and our unprotected first rounder.

[tontoz]

If he punches out the coach and gets caught in the Maloof brother's sister's bedroom in a Spiderman outfit

Was that really necessary? That visual is going to haunt me for awhile.

[eltacoman]

Tripple T TIme
Three Team Trade
----------------------------------------
Sacramento IN
Nick Young ---------- Solid to above avg SG starter (SuperAthletic)
Andray Blatche ----- Solid Bigman Starter with Potential (great contract)
Shannon Brown ---- Good potential starting guard (SuperDuperAthletic)
Yi Jianlian ------------ Althletic Bigman with still sum Potential
Hilton Armstrong---- Good shot blocking Bigman
2011 Lakers 1st------- Pick could slip to mid 20s

Sacramento OUT
DeMarcus Cousins
Samuel Dalembert
Luther Head
----------------------------------------
L.A. Lakers IN
Kirk Hinrich --------------Lakers get there man

L.A. Lakers OUT
Luke Walton
Shannon Brown
Devin Ebanks
2011 Lakers 1st
----------------------------------------
Washington IN
DeMarcus Cousins -----Potential Low-post SUPERSTAR (The next Kevin Love)
Devin Ebanks -----------Good potential super althletic wing
Samuel Dalembert -----Big Expiring Big Man vet
Luther Head ------------PG Expiring vet
Luke Walton - ----------2 years left but Really Smart and experienced vet

Washington OUT
Kirk Hinrich
Andray Blatche
Yi Jianlian
Nick Young
Hilton Armstrong

Wow, you should be a used car salesman.

LA: I think they do it IF they keep Shannon Brown out of the deal.

Sacto: Nope. They simply arent trading Cousins for a deal like this. If he punches out the coach and gets caught in the Maloof brother's sister's bedroom in a Spiderman outfit, then they would consider something like this. But if he continues to stay the course and doesnt keep his mouth/actions in check, I still believe they would give us Cousins for McGee or Blatche and our unprotected first rounder.

They do owe us for the Chris Webber Deal that shiii still stings

WOW Man if we could somehow steal Cousins from Sactown WOW
Wall would have his BigMan back and hopefully get our Team moving on a winning Mentality
while getting rid of player that have grown used to losing and selfishness

Suck for Wall this team is just sum shii in the post Right now, only hope is Sulllinger if not Cousins or or Dwight

[colts18]

Here's a framework for a Lakers trade:

Washington trades: HInrich, Blatche
Washington receives: Bynum

LA trades: Bynum
LA receives: Hinrich, Haywood

Dallas trades: Haywood
Dallas receives: Blatche

I am probably going to get mocked for saying this, but that is a very fair deal as it stands. I am guessing that you are right that it is not enough for the Lakers to make the deal, but IMO the Lakers are getting more than a fair return on Bynum in that deal.

The reason I say that is Bynum is an injury prone player who has only played more than 65 games in a season once in his career. Give Bynum the benefit of the doubt and assume he plays all the remaining 25 games this season, and throw out his rookie season when he only played 46 games (more due to inexperience than injury), and you have a player who only averages 58 games a season. That needs to be taken into consideration when determining Bynum's true worth.

Love it for the Wiz but looking at that a bit closer, why would Dallas do that? They don't get the best player in the deal and they give the Lakers a reliable defensive big. I would think this deal hurts them more than it helps them.

Because they would trade Haywood for free. For as bad as Blatche is, he isn't making 6/55 while in the decline stage.

[LyricalRico]

^ Fine, then send him to ATL for Marvin Williams. Or package him with somebody else in a bigger deal. My point is there are other things they can do besides help the Lakers.

[hands11]

In terms of trades, I've come to my own conclusion that I do not want to see the following players moved:

Young- I understand people are concerned that we'd be overpaying because of productivity on a bad team but I would argue that. I'm more concerned about players like a Jerry Stackhouse; volume shooters who score a ton of points, but need the all to go through them to have an impact. They can never be the #1 or #2 on a championship caliber team. Nick Young is more like Rip Hamilton IMO. The same discussions were coming up in our boards when Rip was up for renewal because people just weren't sure if he was a scorer on a bad team or an actual contributor. Young, like Rip brings a certain skillset; a jumpshot coupled with the ability to score without dominating the basketball. Having a 2 guard with that skill set is vital with a pg like Wall running the team. At lets say $5-$7 MM/year, NY could be a 18-20 ppg sg who's shooting percentage will only go up as he gets surrounded by better, and more experienced players. At worst he can be a 15ppg 6th man who can ignite a team with instant offense off the bench.

Hinrich/ Josh Howard- This team needs true vets like these two guys who know how to play the game and bring a professionalism to the court. I think Kirk been extremely effective coming off the bench in the 3rd guard role and has been more aggressive in this role as well. Wall and Co need guys like this to teach them how to play the game and expedite the learning curve. The problem with recent perennial lottery teams like the Clippers for example has been that their young guys are all trying to prove themselves and get a contract. Winning in that situation either hasn't been the priority or the players just don't know how to win.

McGee- He's frustrating but is very raw and young. Chandler was up and down the first few years as well so you gave to hope McGee will get there. I think he will but a veteran big could really help mentor him.

I'd have no problem moving Blatche, Thornton, or Yi, although if we moved Blatche it would have to be for a player who has potential. A simple salary dump is not what this team needs right now. All the cap space in the world is meaningless unless you've made progress as a team that would attratc free agents.

I also would not be opposed to trading our #1 unprotected, but it would have to be for the right player (ie. Cousins, Horford)....and the likelihood of that is slim IMO.

Well, others are thinking like you are.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2011/2/17 ... #storyjump

Im not sold on the idea there will be any trades made by this team. With the CBA looming, I think things may be more quit except teams looking to dump salary or teams that are really trying to win this year. I think in the future, there is going to be a better window for them to pick up pieces.

And all the Melo talk is getting silly. That last offer to NY was kind of laughable. Seems like Denver is just playing games.

[LyricalRico]

With the CPA looming...

What's the rush? They have until April 15th.

[Ruzious]

With the CPA looming...

What's the rush? They have until April 15th.

Your humor is getting quite taxing.



Btw, pass on Marvin. Don't tie up cap room for 3 years on him.

[verbal8]

Love it for the Wiz but looking at that a bit closer, why would Dallas do that? They don't get the best player in the deal and they give the Lakers a reliable defensive big. I would think this deal hurts them more than it helps them.

Because they would trade Haywood for free. For as bad as Blatche is, he isn't making 6/55 while in the decline stage.

I agree the value is pretty close when taking into account age and contract. I also think that Blatche would fit as a back-up C/PF which opens up few minutes for Chandler and lets the Mavs stay big with Dirk on the bench.