2014

[J-Mezzy]

Götze is the definition of overrated these days.

Gotze is overrated on most days. Anyone still think he's better than Neymar? cgf?

I'm not sure he's better than Harry Kane tbh

[Ted Lasso]

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[Ted Lasso]

Götze is the definition of overrated these days.

Gotze is overrated on most days. Anyone still think he's better than Neymar? cgf?

I'm not sure he's better than Harry Kane tbh

He's a darn good player but people were pretending he's got Messi, Ronaldo, Best in the World potential. He's not that kind of player. He's David Silva.

[Merc_Porto]

in Germany, I can't see Porto have a fair shake from refereeing(past experiences in similar situations tell me so) - I hope I'm wrong about it.

Past experiences like the error at Old Trafford which led to a CL title for Porto?

Not true.

[Ted Lasso]

in Germany, I can't see Porto have a fair shake from refereeing(past experiences in similar situations tell me so) - I hope I'm wrong about it.

Past experiences like the error at Old Trafford which led to a CL title for Porto?

Not true.

Innit?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNvf81nN8iM[/youtube]

[Dirk]

in Germany, I can't see Porto have a fair shake from refereeing(past experiences in similar situations tell me so) - I hope I'm wrong about it.

Past experiences like the error at Old Trafford which led to a CL title for Porto?

Porto were robbed against Bayern in a previous instance by Hugh Dallas. Every Porto fan remembers this to this very day - I wish there was youtube back then, because you need to see it to believe it - Porto had two clear penalties not given and Bayern's last minute goal(knocking Porto out) was off a ridiculous made up foul. And there have been other experiences of just feeling like the refs push the bigger team. It's pretty obvious that the biggest clubs more often than not get the benefit of the decisions... I am just saying that by experience, I expect that. Maybe I'm biased. I'd like to think that I am rational and manage to be fair.

As I said, Neuer's penalty was a classic example of a red card 99 times out of 100. The ref didn't have the courage to send him off so early in the game. This is a typical case of a ref not having the balls to make decisions. I thought the referee had a good game outside that. In the previous round, Shakhtar had a guy sent off on the third minute. The Bayern player was in a less favourable position than Jackson was in today when he got fouled by Neuer...

Regarding the Scholes goal. It's a bad mistake by the linesman. But I suggest you to go hunt down the video and notice the push on Carvalho(by Nistelrooy). Carvalho jumps and he is pushed... I've never really decided whether it's a foul or not, but I think there's a case for it.

Scholes goal would have been 2-0. Costinha's goal would have levelled the tie. I'm sure you're aware that United would qualify with a 1-0 win and they didn't hang on. But if you want to say that Porto won the Champions League with 10 times less budget than the bigger clubs because they got lucky with Schole's goal(45th minute), then go ahead - I think that's a stretch to put things that way... but hey, I don't deny that it was a perfectly good goal and who knows what would have happened - one thing I know, the tie wouldn't be over and just like Porto needed a goal with 1-0 down, they'd still need just a goal with 2-0 down.

Oh, you're a Spurs fan. Remember Pedro Mende's disallowed goal at Old Trafford? United deserve no sympathy from you. Just joking. Over the years I've heard United fans mention the Scholes goal... but they weren't actually very good back then. To be honest, Porto got lucky... with Monaco taking out Real Madrid. With Coruna making that amazing comeback in the second leg 4-0 against Milan. That just cleared the way for Porto to compete against teams that they'd be confident of beating. Totally outplayed Lyon(a great side then) and Monaco. Outlasted Coruna in a very tight tactical battle.

[Merc_Porto]

Past experiences like the error at Old Trafford which led to a CL title for Porto?

Not true.

Innit?
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNvf81nN8iM[/youtube]

So ?

That doesn't mean anything.
Special after a 1st leg that Porto won 2-1, but could have been 4-1 5-1.

And not after a 2° leg in old trafford that Porto control the all game.

That goal would help United ?
Sure.
That goal would help United win the round ?
Nobody knows.

Btw the game ended 1-1, with that goal would be 2-1.

So, its false to say United didn't go to the quarter finals because of the refs.

[Captain_Obvious]

I thought Neuer slightly played the ball on the penalty situation. Still a penalty IMO, but maybe thats why he didn't get red. The ref on the side could potentially have seen it.

[DD12]

Bayern fans butthurt at the moment. They couldn't beat you on the pitch so they are trying to beat you with refs.

[Ted Lasso]

So ?

That doesn't mean anything.

It means homers have selective memories.

Special after a 1st leg that Porto won 2-1, but could have been 4-1 5-1.

And not after a 2° leg in old trafford that Porto control the all game.

Completely irrelevant. What does any of this have to do with refereeing errors? You thought the game could have ended 5-1? Well, it didn't, and not because somebody screwed Porto out of it. The game ended 2-1.

That goal would help United ?
Sure.
That goal would help United win the round ?
Nobody knows.

Btw the game ended 1-1, with that goal would be 2-1.

So, its false to say United didn't go to the quarter finals because of the refs.

That goal would have ensured that another Porto goal would merely take the tie to extra time. Disallowing it gave Porto the unfair opportunity to qualify with one goal. The ambiguity of what might have happened next doesn't justify the error.

[Ted Lasso]

in Germany, I can't see Porto have a fair shake from refereeing(past experiences in similar situations tell me so) - I hope I'm wrong about it.

Past experiences like the error at Old Trafford which led to a CL title for Porto?

Porto were robbed against Bayern in a previous instance by Hugh Dallas. Every Porto fan remembers this to this very day - I wish there was youtube back then, because you need to see it to believe it - Porto had two clear penalties not given and Bayern's last minute goal(knocking Porto out) was off a ridiculous made up foul. And there have been other experiences of just feeling like the refs push the bigger team. It's pretty obvious that the biggest clubs more often than not get the benefit of the decisions... I am just saying that by experience, I expect that. Maybe I'm biased. I'd like to think that I am rational and manage to be fair.

As I said, Neuer's penalty was a classic example of a red card 99 times out of 100. The ref didn't have the courage to send him off so early in the game. This is a typical case of a ref not having the balls to make decisions. I thought the referee had a good game outside that.

Regarding the Scholes goal. It's a bad mistake by the linesman(not the ref). But I suggest you to go hunt down the video and notice the push on Carvalho(by Nistelrooy). Carvalho jumps and he is pushed... I've never really decided whether it's a foul or not, but I think there's a case for it.

Scholes goal would have been 2-0. Costinha's goal would have levelled the tie. But if you want to say that Porto won the Champions League with 10 times less budget than the bigger clubs because they got lucky with Schole's goal(45th minute), then go ahead - I think that's a stretch to put things that way... but hey, I don't deny that it was a perfectly good goal and who knows what would have happened.

I'm sure there were occasions in the past where Porto were screwed by a referee against a bigger side. I am merely pointing out that they've had their share of good fortune under such circumstances. Refs aren't out to get Porto.

[Baphomet]

Götze is the definition of overrated these days.

Gotze is overrated on most days. Anyone still think he's better than Neymar? cgf?

I'm not sure he's better than Harry Kane tbh

Hey now, that's not such a hard thing to believe.

edit: Sorry Ted, I page sniped you.

[Merc_Porto]

But you can't say that what led Porto to win the CL was that error.

Errors with Champions League winners happend all the time, and with the other teams too. The thing is, you only remember the errors that help the Champions.

But look, im not even worrie about the refs in Germany. Really not.
I still think is going to be really dificult to go to semi finals.

I predict,

The first 20 minutes in Munique are going to be insane in terms of pressure from Bayern.

Porto stills needs to score 1 goal away IMO

[Ted Lasso]

But you can't say that what led Porto to win the CL was that error.

Well, i don't mean to discount their achievements in other rounds but i do believe they would not have knocked United out without that error so, from where i stand, it sorta did.

However, i am willing to acknowledge the sweeping and distasteful nature of that statement, so i hereby officially retract it and we can move forward amicably.

[Merc_Porto]

^

That save from Neuer in 2 half, before the 3rd goal was one of The best saves i ever seen in my life.

Amazing.

[J-Mezzy]

Meanwhile in Paris

[Merc_Porto]

You know when you are a bad player ?

I'm telling you,

When Suarez put the ball between D.Luiz legs in 3rd goal and he (Luiz) stopped right there.

Didn't run anymore to go after Suarez.

He (Suarez) could have miss and where was Luiz ?

Stopped, watching. lol

[MaliBrah]

Meanwhile in Paris

Spoiler:

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[EArl]

You know when you are a bad player ?

I'm telling you,

When Suarez put the ball between D.Luiz legs in 3rd goal and he (Luiz) stopped right there.

Didn't run anymore to go after Suarez.

He (Suarez) could have miss and where was Luiz ?

Stopped, watching. lol

To be fair Suarez is a brilliant player. He had a great game. He really is earning his keep for the team. Those two nutmegs on David Luiz were great.

[Merc_Porto]

To be fair Suarez is a brilliant player. He had a great game. He really is earning his keep for the team. Those two nutmegs on David Luiz were great.

Absolutely.
For me, still is the best striker in world.