Political Roundtable Part XXII

[stilldropin20]

^^^^^^ thats the whole point!! The Obama era FBI was leaking against trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!

leaking!! Unmasking!!! Schiff was leaking based on these illegal leaks!!

And it was all lies!!!! Trump DID NOT COLLUDE!!!! its been 2 effing years!!!!!!!!!!! No evidence!!!!!<

the entire democratic platform does NOT work without victims!!!!!!! You MUST be a victim!!!

WOW...


I can't tell if you're lying to me or to yourself.


STD, are you willing to guarantee this new round of released documents proves wrong doing?


Will you state unequivocally that this newest disclosure fully exonerates every person in the Trump Campaign....including those who have already been found guilty?

its all fruit of the poisonous tree. Everyone one of these individual will eventually be exonerated once the full investigation into the "investigators" is completed.

The obama DOJ sprang what has become is an unending investigation into trump with no crime. They made up the crime using oppo research bought and paid for by HRC and the DNC. <--i have always assumed Obama was in on it. Lynch, Comey, Mccabe, Clapper, Rosenstein, Mueller and Brennen certainly were.

They have been digging and digging and digging. No knock 4 am search and seizeures and mafia level RICO tactics. And all they got is crimes committed before the trump campaign in the high hopes to get those found guilty or being tried to sing or compose against trump. <--and still we have no collusion by Trump himself or those close to trump. Manaforte is his own man with his own motives doing his own thing. He worked for trump for 8 weeks. And still, nothing on him. Flynn likely didn't even lie to mislead the FBI either.

The bothersome thing fro me in all of this is the naivety of the Trump transition team. they should have known better. A few better steps and this whole thing would hav enever occurred. Then again, those (mis?) steps made by trump that allowed the weaponization of the DOJ and investigation itself the spear.

So we will see. What we do know is that trump and his lawyers have already seen everything. For years. And they aint scared.

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[Jamaaliver]

Trump-proof aspects of Manafort deal rankle lawyers

Robert Mueller seems to have built in safeguards to discourage the president from pardoning Manafort

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s plea agreement with Paul Manafort on Friday took unusual and possibly unprecedented steps to undercut President Donald Trump’s ability to pardon his former campaign chairman.

The plea deal Mueller struck with Manafort contains several provisions that appear intended to discourage the former Trump aide from seeking a pardon and to rein in the impact of any pardon Trump might grant.

“What is most concerning to me is that Mr. Mueller, who is a part of the executive branch and is supposed to follow all of DOJ’s policies and procedures, is specifically seeking to impede the ability of the president to exercise his constitutional pardon authority,” said David Rivkin, a Justice Department official under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

The 17-page deal doesn’t explicitly prohibit Manafort from seeking a pardon, but some lawyers said it appears to extract a promise from Manafort not to seek another form of executive clemency that could relieve him of the obligation to turn over property worth tens of millions of dollars to the government as part of the plea bargain. The agreement also says prosecutors can come after the five identified homes or apartments, three bank accounts and a life insurance policy now or at any point in the future "without regard to the status of his criminal conviction."

Another part of the deal says that if Manafort’s guilty pleas or convictions are wiped out for any reason, prosecutors immediately have the right to charge him with any other crimes he may have committed previously or confessed to during recent plea negotiations.

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[Jamaaliver]

its all fruit of the poisonous tree. Everyone one of these individual will eventually be exonerated once the full investigation into the "investigators" is completed.

So we will see. What we do know is that trump and his lawyers have already seen everything. For years. And they aint scared.

Then let's make the ultimate bet.

If you're willing to guarantee that these documents are 100% a game changer that exonerates everyone and completely undermines the entire Mueller investigation. Put it all on the line.


If every single person arrested, arraigned, charged, convicted or who pleaded guilty to charges is exonerated....I'll give up this site. I will never post here at RealGM again. Not under a new name. Never. That's 13 years down the drain.




But, if they aren't all fully exonerated by this new batch of releases...you instead have to stop posting in these Political threads. You can no longer post on the Washington Wizards forum at all.

No more long, confusing rants.

No more seizure-inducing emoticon assaults.

If you're certain this is the end of all Russia-related inquiries (despite the protestations of the Republican-led FBI), then put up or shut up, STD.



Do you accept these terms?

[stilldropin20]

Trump-proof aspects of Manafort deal rankle lawyers

Robert Mueller seems to have built in safeguards to discourage the president from pardoning Manafort

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s plea agreement with Paul Manafort on Friday took unusual and possibly unprecedented steps to undercut President Donald Trump’s ability to pardon his former campaign chairman.

The plea deal Mueller struck with Manafort contains several provisions that appear intended to discourage the former Trump aide from seeking a pardon and to rein in the impact of any pardon Trump might grant.

“What is most concerning to me is that Mr. Mueller, who is a part of the executive branch and is supposed to follow all of DOJ’s policies and procedures, is specifically seeking to impede the ability of the president to exercise his constitutional pardon authority,” said David Rivkin, a Justice Department official under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

The 17-page deal doesn’t explicitly prohibit Manafort from seeking a pardon, but some lawyers said it appears to extract a promise from Manafort not to seek another form of executive clemency that could relieve him of the obligation to turn over property worth tens of millions of dollars to the government as part of the plea bargain. The agreement also says prosecutors can come after the five identified homes or apartments, three bank accounts and a life insurance policy now or at any point in the future "without regard to the status of his criminal conviction."

Another part of the deal says that if Manafort’s guilty pleas or convictions are wiped out for any reason, prosecutors immediately have the right to charge him with any other crimes he may have committed previously or confessed to during recent plea negotiations.

Politico

Once the real investigation begins. And that will be when sessions is fired in a couple months and Trump brings in a new AG Manafort can be given an entirely and completely new deal as the investigation into the investigators them selves begins. Manafort can sing against the current investigators who used mafia style Rico tactics against...all to pursue a political foe. I mean, this is the United States of America. These things cannot happen here. You cannot Weaponized a DOJ to bring down a political foe.

And that’s exactly what they did. And who better than Manafort to testify against them? He will then be given a full pardon and or clemency to any past or current investigations to testify.

Then he can pay a fine for a mistake on a bank loan application and pay the back taxes plus interest on any taxes he owes like the way it normally works with everyone else. As long as he has the money to pay those fines fees in back taxes with interest he should not go to jail. No one should.

Papa already plead out. Nothing of that tree. Flynn pled out nothing up that tree. And no charges will ever be brought against Carter page.

In fact Carter page is going to sue the entire trust the system for a lot of money. and win.


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[stilldropin20]

its all fruit of the poisonous tree. Everyone one of these individual will eventually be exonerated once the full investigation into the "investigators" is completed.

So we will see. What we do know is that trump and his lawyers have already seen everything. For years. And they aint scared.

Then let's make the ultimate bet.

If you're willing to guarantee that these documents are 100% a game changer that exonerates everyone and completely undermines the entire Mueller investigation. Put it all on the line.


If every single person arrested, arraigned, charged, convicted or who pleaded guilty to charges is exonerated....I'll give up this site. I will never post here at RealGM again. Not under a new name. Never. That's 13 years down the drain.




But, if they aren't all fully exonerated by this new batch of releases...you instead have to stop posting in these Political threads. You can no longer post on the Washington Wizards forum at all.

No more long, confusing rants.

No more seizure-inducing emoticon assaults.

If you're certain this is the end of all Russia-related inquiries (despite the protestations of the Republican-led FBI), then put up or shut up, STD.



Do you accept these terms?

I could be tempted into a wager of this sort. Bature terms of ludicrous. Essentially you want me to take all the risk?

Here’s the deal. Trump and his allies began to get ahead of this thing over a year and a half ago and have chosen the slow roll out method. To fight back gradually because they think it’s going to help them both now against mueller and the midterms and and eventually in 2020.

So you are going to have to wait until sessions is fired and a new ag is in charge to fully reveal what trump has in store.




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[GhostofChenier]

This is funny, we can all laugh little no?

[Pointgod]

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What do you think this means?

[montestewart]

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What do you think this means?

Probably that she knows any investigation of sexual assault will be all about the alleged victim, her character, her honesty, her motives, etc., with the alleged perpetrator a mere heroic afterthought. Even if hers is 100% truth, she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't, and he's the one who damned her.

[Pointgod]

^^^^^^ thats the whole point!! The Obama era FBI was leaking against trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!

leaking!! Unmasking!!! Schiff was leaking based on these illegal leaks!!

And it was all lies!!!! Trump DID NOT COLLUDE!!!! its been 2 effing years!!!!!!!!!!! No evidence!!!!!<

the entire democratic platform does NOT work without victims!!!!!!! You MUST be a victim!!!

WOW...


I can't tell if you're lying to me or to yourself.


STD, are you willing to guarantee this new round of released documents proves wrong doing?


Will you state unequivocally that this newest disclosure fully exonerates every person in the Trump Campaign....including those who have already been found guilty?

You must not know STD buddy. He's living proof that Trump cultists are irredeemable and the power of right wing propaganda.

He wets his pants whenever these right wing idiots make up another lie about the Mueller investigation but he never admits that he's been duped. Remember the Nunes memo? Susan Rice unmasking. All of which yielded a grand total of zero indictments. Ask him about the Clinton foundation investigation and the investigation into Uranium one and watch him scurry away like a rat. Compare that to the Mueller investigation which has yielded over 30 guilty pleas and indictments.

STD isn't to be taken seriously. He's the town dunce to be laughed at and mocked not to be taken seriously.

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[Shoe]

stilldropin20 believes in QAnon.

[Jamaaliver]

STD isn't to be taken seriously.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

But, sadly, I'm coming around to that same conclusion...




I honestly don't think even he believes what he's saying.

[stilldropin20]

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What do you think this means?

Probably that she knows any investigation of sexual assault will be all about the alleged victim, her character, her honesty, her motives, etc., with the alleged perpetrator a mere heroic afterthought. Even if hers is 100% truth, she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't, and he's the one who damned her.

I'm sorry but this entire accusation is a joke. Other than this, the left cant lay a single glove on him. If he had any kind of credible pattern of behavior like this then I would take it serious. And I dont even like kavanaugh. I'm a social liberal. Very liberal in fact. I prefer strict constitutionalist on the bench as well as civil libertarians. Kavanaugh doesn't check all of those boxes for me.

But this is bull crap. I refuse to live in a society where anyone: man or woman can have their lives upended on the national stage because of extremely non-credible accusations. He was 17. She was 15. It was 1982. She waited 36 years to bring this up?? He was already a powerful judge. She cant even remember the house. She cant remember who threw the party. She doesn't remember if there was a swimming pool at the house. I have no idea how she remembers this other guy being there be that other guy says it never happened. That nothing like that ever happened and the kavanaugh is a good guy.

I mean she cant even remember which month this occurred let alone the day. I think she was even shaky on the year. The effing year!!!!!??????

I dont like conservative judges. I dont. I prefer liberal based civil libertarians but also strict consititutionalists on the bench. <--very hard to check those boxes but those are my boxes. Dershowitz would be almost the perfect SC judge for me. But i refuse to play politics with this by any means necessary childish type of bull crap. I refuse to let people like Pointgod, GTN and Jwiz ruin our country with childish politics. This is not right. Before I learned that Obama weaponized his DOJ to defeat Trump I would have been more than happy to confirm merrick garland. Obama won fair and square and deserved to make his nominee. But what his DOJ did on his watch and after his watch likely on his orders before he left office was the most despicable non-american thing ive ever seen in my lifetime. So i no longer have an issue with Mitch Mcconnell not holding conformation hearings for Garland. Obama's presidency was a huge mistake most of the time and an outright disgrace in 2009 and 2016. And because of it. Trump is going to get at least 3 SC justices. Might get 4.

[stilldropin20]

stilldropin20 believes in QAnon.

STD brings more original content to this thread than the entire posting community combined. He's single handedly keeping this place alive!!!! Alive, I say!!!!

[I_Like_Dirt]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

But, sadly, I'm coming around to that same conclusion...




I honestly don't think even he believes what he's saying.

I'd just like to point out you didn't give those who suggested it wasn't worth it the benefit of the doubt.

That said, does it really matter if he believes what he's saying or not? Either he doesn't and he's a troll and it's entirely irrelevant, or he does and you've entered a black hole from which there is no return. Personally, I feel it's a little of both but don't really care to bother with which is which at any given point. I don't have him on ignore, and theoretically would still engage with him if I felt there was something presented in good faith to discuss. I also disagree about the notion that he's to be mocked or whatever. I don't feel that's particularly helpful in any respect.

He isn't alone, though close to it in this particular thread, but there is some representation there, too. If anything, he's an example of how we've progressed passed the ends justifying the means to basically completely ignoring the means altogether, and any other ends that don't have to specifically do with the one particular end you're chasing. And I don't actually think he's fully expressed what that end is, either, but he doesn't have to. Logic is irrelevant if there is something a person feels deeply, regardless of whether or not they can/do express it openly. It's why that whole Analytica thing that is long forgotten but still going on after the standard corporate name change needed to stick in people's memories a little more. They were well aware that politics and voting can very easily be pushed to the emotional spectrum, and once that happens, the game changes completely.

[Shoe]

stilldropin20 believes in QAnon.

STD brings more original content to this thread than the entire posting community combined. He's single handedly keeping this place alive!!!! Alive, I say!!!!

Sadly true.

[dckingsfan]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

But, sadly, I'm coming around to that same conclusion...

I honestly don't think even he believes what he's saying.

I'd just like to point out you didn't give those who suggested it wasn't worth it the benefit of the doubt.

That said, does it really matter if he believes what he's saying or not? Either he doesn't and he's a troll and it's entirely irrelevant, or he does and you've entered a black hole from which there is no return. Personally, I feel it's a little of both but don't really care to bother with which is which at any given point. I don't have him on ignore, and theoretically would still engage with him if I felt there was something presented in good faith to discuss. I also disagree about the notion that he's to be mocked or whatever. I don't feel that's particularly helpful in any respect.

He isn't alone, though close to it in this particular thread, but there is some representation there, too. If anything, he's an example of how we've progressed passed the ends justifying the means to basically completely ignoring the means altogether, and any other ends that don't have to specifically do with the one particular end you're chasing. And I don't actually think he's fully expressed what that end is, either, but he doesn't have to. Logic is irrelevant if there is something a person feels deeply, regardless of whether or not they can/do express it openly. It's why that whole Analytica thing that is long forgotten but still going on after the standard corporate name change needed to stick in people's memories a little more. They were well aware that politics and voting can very easily be pushed to the emotional spectrum, and once that happens, the game changes completely.

@Jamaaliver - I agree with trying to understand everyone... and you are right Dirt, for those that want a right leaning court or those that want lower tax rates (both corporate and personal) they are willing to look the other way (and seem to do so without cognitive dissonance - although many do). I have SD on ignore - but for the primary purpose of making the thread readable.

@dirt - And we see it on the other side of the spectra - rights for all without the responsibility (both individual and as a society) it entails (your words I think).

[Ruzious]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

But, sadly, I'm coming around to that same conclusion...




I honestly don't think even he believes what he's saying.

I'd just like to point out you didn't give those who suggested it wasn't worth it the benefit of the doubt.

That said, does it really matter if he believes what he's saying or not? Either he doesn't and he's a troll and it's entirely irrelevant, or he does and you've entered a black hole from which there is no return. Personally, I feel it's a little of both but don't really care to bother with which is which at any given point. I don't have him on ignore, and theoretically would still engage with him if I felt there was something presented in good faith to discuss. I also disagree about the notion that he's to be mocked or whatever. I don't feel that's particularly helpful in any respect.

He isn't alone, though close to it in this particular thread, but there is some representation there, too. If anything, he's an example of how we've progressed passed the ends justifying the means to basically completely ignoring the means altogether, and any other ends that don't have to specifically do with the one particular end you're chasing. And I don't actually think he's fully expressed what that end is, either, but he doesn't have to. Logic is irrelevant if there is something a person feels deeply, regardless of whether or not they can/do express it openly. It's why that whole Analytica thing that is long forgotten but still going on after the standard corporate name change needed to stick in people's memories a little more. They were well aware that politics and voting can very easily be pushed to the emotional spectrum, and once that happens, the game changes completely.

He goes by the idea that any attention is good attention. He's like the Nike of this thread.

Except Nike generally makes money when it gets attention. SD gets ______ from the attention he gets here.