Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[the_process]

No it's not.

Why would we make the move now anyways without knowing Harden was a sure thing? When the time comes we can either dump him on a team or try to do a s+t with byn.

Only way IMO to get BKN to deal is to threaten to sign Harden outright. Harris has to go for that.

Also, yes, the team would be better with a PF who shoots volume 3's.

Who is this mythical expiring PF who shoots volume threes that we are going to trade Tobias for?

Two different animals. Get a volume shooting PF on a much lesser salary with a big expiring to match.

This would work, as an example:

SAS gets Harris, Milton, and 2022 PHI 1st
PHI gets Young, McDermott, and Walker

[spikeslovechild]

Only way IMO to get BKN to deal is to threaten to sign Harden outright. Harris has to go for that.

Also, yes, the team would be better with a PF who shoots volume 3's.

Who is this mythical expiring PF who shoots volume threes that we are going to trade Tobias for?

Two different animals. Get a volume shooting PF on a much lesser salary with a big expiring to match.

This would work, as an example:

SAS gets Harris, Milton, and 2022 PHI 1st
PHI gets Young, McDermott, and Walker

I don't think your trade really makes us better in the near term or in the future (we already have a much cheaper version of McDermott in Niang) but I am interested in hearing your logic.

So we trade two longterm assets in Milton who has a club option next year and a first round pick for young who is an expiring and walker who is a RFA then what? McDermott makes 13M which would essentially set our cap at 3M ish. Are we signing Harden for that? Explain the thought process to me.

[the_process]

Who is this mythical expiring PF who shoots volume threes that we are going to trade Tobias for?

Two different animals. Get a volume shooting PF on a much lesser salary with a big expiring to match.

This would work, as an example:

SAS gets Harris, Milton, and 2022 PHI 1st
PHI gets Young, McDermott, and Walker

I don't think your trade really makes us better in the near term or in the future (we already have a much cheaper version of McDermott in Niang) but I am interested in hearing your logic.

So we trade two longterm assets in Milton who has a club option next year and a first round pick for young who is an expiring and walker who is a RFA then what? McDermott makes 13M which would essentially set our cap at 3M ish. Are we signing Harden for that? Explain the thought process to me.

First off, let’s establish Milton is not a long term asset. Dude isn’t very good. Losing the 1st hurts, but gotta dump Harris.

McDermott and Walker help somewhat for the rest of the year. Walker and Young both expire. Renounce Walker’s rights. Then you either move off McDermott separately or include him in the Ben trade, which is a 3 way deal for a rookie scale guy and picks coming back here. Then waive Green. Should have room to sign Harden outright then. Fill out the bench with ring chasers on minimums.

That’s the gist of it.

[spikeslovechild]

Two different animals. Get a volume shooting PF on a much lesser salary with a big expiring to match.

This would work, as an example:

SAS gets Harris, Milton, and 2022 PHI 1st
PHI gets Young, McDermott, and Walker

I don't think your trade really makes us better in the near term or in the future (we already have a much cheaper version of McDermott in Niang) but I am interested in hearing your logic.

So we trade two longterm assets in Milton who has a club option next year and a first round pick for young who is an expiring and walker who is a RFA then what? McDermott makes 13M which would essentially set our cap at 3M ish. Are we signing Harden for that? Explain the thought process to me.

First off, let’s establish Milton is not a long term asset. Dude isn’t very good. Losing the 1st hurts, but gotta dump Harris.

McDermott and Walker help somewhat for the rest of the year. Walker and Young both expire. Renounce Walker’s rights. Then you either move off McDermott separately or include him in the Ben trade, which is a 3 way deal for a rookie scale guy and picks coming back here. Then waive Green. Should have room to sign Harden outright then. Fill out the bench with ring chasers on minimums.

That’s the gist of it.

Thanks for your explanation it seems extremely risky to put all those eggs in the basket of getting Harden. I wouldn't do it but we will see

[76ciology]

Inflation happening with Sixers players

Tobias in 2022 (12 Games):

18.9 PPG
7.1 RPG
3.8 APG
1.6 TOV
50.6% FG / 41% 3PT / 86% FT

Sixers 9-3

[spikeslovechild]

Inflation happening with Sixers players

Tobias in 2022 (12 Games):

18.9 PPG
7.1 RPG
3.8 APG
1.6 TOV
50.6% FG / 41% 3PT / 86% FT

Sixers 9-3

Which was bound to happen Harris isn't as bad as he showed the first half the year. He isn't that good either. He'll probably finish with numbers inline with his career norms which will show he is a good player but not good enough to win as the 2nd guy next to Embiid or be worth his contract.

Dumping Harris would be great but it's hard to see how a scenario plays out where we move him and for it to make sense for anything else then the owners pocketbook.

[Jailblazers7]

My assumption is that Tobias gets moved in the offseason. He is too valuable to this team to offload for future cap relief in the middle of an Embiid MVP season.

I think the easiest path is Ben gets moved for someone like Hali + picks now, we give OKC some draft capital to absorbs Tobi’s salary in the summer, and S&T for Harden.

[SixersSince82]

Man, I'd love for the Tobias Harris fan club to explain why they are so sure we'd be worse if we flipped him for other players. Great locker room guy, but he had a grand total of 4 playoff games worth of experience prior to joining the 6ers (and has been mediocre to bad in the playoffs during his time here). He's just not a big impact player.

We all watched Iverson consistently make the playoffs as the roster changed around him, right? Joel's the same way, thats what superstars do. Doesn't matter if it's Tobias or another "stretch PF".

Everyone watched Seth score more effectively than Tobias in the playoffs, right? He and Maxey (plus whatever fill in PF you get) could easily... EASILY... take on the raw 19 a game Tobias gives us. He's not clutch, he doesn't play make or provide game altering defense. He rebounds and we need that, but that's it from him.

I don't think the team would be any different at all, provided they get rotational players back. And Im 100% sure that the flexibility gained from removing his contract (or turning it into several smaller parts) plus the added responsibility Maxey gets will be good for the team long term.

[Negrodamus]

Man, I'd love for the Tobias Harris fan club to explain why they are so sure we'd be worse if we flipped him for other players. Great locker room guy, but he had a grand total of 4 playoff games worth of experience prior to joining the 6ers (and has been mediocre to bad in the playoffs during his time here). He's just not a big impact player.

We all watched Iverson consistently make the playoffs as the roster changed around him, right? Joel's the same way, thats what superstars do. Doesn't matter if it's Tobias or another "stretch PF".

Everyone watched Seth score more effectively than Tobias in the playoffs, right? He and Maxey (plus whatever fill in PF you get) could easily... EASILY... take on the raw 19 a game Tobias gives us. He's not clutch, he doesn't play make or provide game altering defense. He rebounds and we need that, but that's it from him.

I don't think the team would be any different at all, provided they get rotational players back. And Im 100% sure that the flexibility gained from removing his contract (or turning it into several smaller parts) plus the added responsibility Maxey gets will be good for the team long term.

I'd like to meet all 2 of these people in this "fan club".

[Jailblazers7]

I think Tobias is just a very solid player and provides a needed release valve for this team. Would I like him to be more efficient and a better/more willing 3pt shooter? Yes. But if you go back and watch the last 3 mins of game 7 last year, he was actually the best performer getting to the basket and scoring a couple clutch buckets before Thybulle fouled on the 3 pointer.

Long-term his contract is an anchor but he’s actually a good player for this team. Gives Embiid some plays off on offense since he can create his own shot, hunts mismatches against smaller players, fights in the boards, etc. Trading him away is absolutely necessary to build a title contender but his absence would be felt more acutely this season than some folks would like to admit. I don’t even like Tobias that much (as a player) but I think the criticism goes too far sometimes.

Let him and an improved Embiid a chance to show how they can actually perform in a playoff series without Ben clogging up the lane and **** up their offense unless we can offload him in a Ben trade (prob not gonna happen) or swap him for CJ. Then ship him in the offseason to set up a Harden acquisition. If we’re basically gonna punt this season, we might as well keep the chemistry of the team intact and let this scrappy roster see how far it can go.

[Arsenal]

I'm coming around to the view that we may need to keep Harris in order to not torpedo a potential MVP season for Embiid.

There will still be opportunities to move him in the offseason. Detroit, Orlando, SA and OKC will all have cap enough to absorb him outright once they strike out on the big FA's, perhaps for the nominal fee of a 1st or a young guy like Springer. Maybe even less than that if we're lucky, as he'll only have 2 years left.

[SixersSince82]

I think Tobias is just a very solid player and provides a needed release valve for this team. Would I like him to be more efficient and a better/more willing 3pt shooter? Yes. But if you go back and watch the last 3 mins of game 7 last year, he was actually the best performer getting to the basket and scoring a couple clutch buckets before Thybulle fouled on the 3 pointer.

I gave him credit at the time for at least going down firing (Better than Bens disappearing act) but he shot 33% in game 7, and was 3-8 in the 4th quarter.

[Sportfan73]

Would give anything for him to shoot 6-8 threes a game

[mjkvol]

I'd like to meet all 2 of these people in this "fan club".

Two? Wow, that means they have gained members.

[mjkvol]

I just wish the Tobias for CJ trade would happen already. It makes too much sense for both teams - Portland has a glut at guard right now and younger, cheaper players ready to step into bigger roles, and for us it's the obvious.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Tobias is just a very solid player and provides a needed release valve for this team. Would I like him to be more efficient and a better/more willing 3pt shooter? Yes. But if you go back and watch the last 3 mins of game 7 last year, he was actually the best performer getting to the basket and scoring a couple clutch buckets before Thybulle fouled on the 3 pointer.

I gave him credit at the time for at least going down firing (Better than Bens disappearing act) but he shot 33% in game 7, and was 3-8 in the 4th quarter.

Totally agree that he needs to be better in those spots if he wants to make 30-40M a year. I think my frustration (and the point I’m trying to make) is that everyone is quick to attribute a lot of Embiid’s playoff struggles to Ben being a useless POS on offense but Tobias doesn’t get any of that benefit of the doubt.

Obviously, Embiid is a way better player and has his own unique storylines for his playoffs struggles but I think Tobias would also benefit from playing on a fully functional team with a real PG that puts him in positions to succeed.

[Sportfan73]

I just wish the Tobias for CJ trade would happen already. It makes too much sense for both teams - Portland has a glut at guard right now and younger, cheaper players ready to step into bigger roles, and for us it's the obvious.

Tobias for CJ and Ben for Collins/hunter/cha 22/atl 25

Maxey/shake
Cj/curry
Hunter/Thybulle
Collins/niang
Embiid/Drummond

See just how far Joel can carry a complimentary cast. Would love to find Danny some minutes in there but idk how.

[JRoy]

I just wish the Tobias for CJ trade would happen already. It makes too much sense for both teams - Portland has a glut at guard right now and younger, cheaper players ready to step into bigger roles, and for us it's the obvious.

It makes sense for PHI. It makes no sense for POR.

Harris gives POR nothing we need.

[sixers hoops]

I just wish the Tobias for CJ trade would happen already. It makes too much sense for both teams - Portland has a glut at guard right now and younger, cheaper players ready to step into bigger roles, and for us it's the obvious.

It makes sense for PHI. It makes no sense for POR.

Harris gives POR nothing we need.

In my opinion, Portland desperately needs a guy who reads books, so Tobias would be a great fit.

And let’s look at all-star selections:

CJ - 0
Tobias - 1 (according to himself)

No-brainer for Portland.

[JRoy]

I just wish the Tobias for CJ trade would happen already. It makes too much sense for both teams - Portland has a glut at guard right now and younger, cheaper players ready to step into bigger roles, and for us it's the obvious.

It makes sense for PHI. It makes no sense for POR.

Harris gives POR nothing we need.

In my opinion, Portland desperately needs a guy who reads books, so Tobias would be a great fit.

And let’s look at all-star selections:

CJ - 0
Tobias - 1 (according to himself)

No-brainer for Portland.

As the home of the Liberty Bell, PHI definitely needs more presidential talent, like the current president of the players association, the honorable CJ McCollum.

CJ - 1

PHI - 0

Truly a no brainer, plus he owns a vineyard and wine is classy as $%#{