Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

tontoz · Post #1021 » by **tontoz** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:47 pm

Just read Ford's latest chat. Nothing really new there but it is interesting how secretive some teams are. He said the Bobcats are so secretive that MKG didn't know he was their pick until they called his name. Ford has no idea who they like right now and he has a lot of contacts.

closg00 · Post #1022 » by **closg00** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:08 pm

tontoz wrote:Just read Ford's latest chat. Nothing really new there but it is interesting how secretive some teams are. He said the Bobcats are so secretive that MKG didn't know he was their pick until they called his name. Ford has no idea who they like right now and he has a lot of contacts.

Let them be secretive, what's the difference between being secretive and blowing smoke?

verbal8 · Post #1023 » by **verbal8** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:11 pm

tontoz wrote:Just read Ford's latest chat. Nothing really new there but it is interesting how secretive some teams are. He said the Bobcats are so secretive that MKG didn't know he was their pick until they called his name. Ford has no idea who they like right now and he has a lot of contacts.

I could see them going with Bennet, Oladipo or Len. All of them could fill needs.

Knighthonor · Post #1024 » by **Knighthonor** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:45 pm

Honestly how does Porter fit the Wizards? How will he bump this team to a serious playoff team?

What does he add? Was his year at GT a fluke? He a go to scorer? What's his Defense like? But key is his offense. How is that?

Knighthonor · Post #1025 » by **Knighthonor** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:53 pm

Draft thread seem to be dying lately

hands11 · Post #1026 » by **hands11** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:08 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:IMO our best course of action is keep the pick and draft Porter. Establish a foundation of Porter, Beal, Wall. Continue the culture of smart play, team unity, hard work and effort. Nene, Okafor, Webster, Price, Booker remain as vets that contribute to this philosophy. Otto Porter and Erik Murphy are key as rookies (imagine Murphy and Webster as shooters off the bench). Wall and Beal become stars and compete for best backcourt in the league. Make the playoffs and take a step to change league perception of the team.

Go into NEXT offseason with some success and a winning attitude, a 1st round pick, massive salaries coming off the books, Okafor and Ariza, as well as Vesely, Singleton, to legitimately pursue free agents, with a solid young core already in place (Beal, Porter, Wall, our 2014 1st rounder). May also be a good time to upgrade the head coaching spot with a more long-term permanent high profile leader for this team.

The 2014/15 season is when this team can make a major jump.

Been a viable plan all along ever since they pulled the trigger on Trevor A/Okafor and Nene.

I don't see them moving Okafor or Nene. And its not even likely they move Trevor A but I can see it happening under some scenarios. They just added some vet stability last year. I don't see them breaking that up so quickly. Key is to establish Wall and Beal and that means getting into the playoffs. The following year would be the soonest they would be able to fly solo as the leaders and even then, they will still be very young so there is lots of time to grown this.

The key at this stage is to expand the talent on the team without disrupting what they just started to establish. The is zero reason to chance messing up this locker room when they will have many more chances to mold this team in the future with cap space, picks, trades.

Nene and Okafor need to stay on the team at least one more year. Same with Webster.

I just don't see them making any high risk moves right now. Not unless they actually plan on tanking another year for the 2014 draft. If so, trade of Nene, Okafor, and Trevor A for bad contracts and future picks and draft Noel. Let Wall and Beal blow up posting meaningless numbers and draft Wiggins or another top pick next year.

Without knowing their master plan, we are all just shooting in the dark.

For me, I see no reason they should do something like that. They have more then enough in talent and assets to start winning.

hands11 · Post #1027 » by **hands11** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:17 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Noel has great D, but poor Offense.
Bennett has great Offense but poor D.

So seem equal in that regards, just different.
What's your opinion?

Noel's offense is much better than Bennett's defense, Noel's defense has a chance to be the best in the league whereas Bennett will never be one of the best scoring big men in the NBA. You can win with great defensive big men who are limited to dunks offensively, it's really hard to win with big men who are total defensive liabilities.

What offense does Noels have? Like you said, dunks is it and he'll need someone to create an opening for his or run the floor to get a dunk. He's not going to back anyone down anytime soon....

But he said he wants to model his game after KG. That means he is going to be a scoring beast.

gambitx777 · Post #1028 » by **gambitx777** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:40 pm

Ruzious wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:But people said the exact same things about Noah - and they have almost identical builds while Noel is longer and quicker. They also have that same competitiveness that's made their critics wrong. Noah was a 223 lb junior when he was measured at the combine. I don't think there's any doubt Noah will be at least as heavy and strong when he's as old as Noah as a junior. People laughed at Noah's offensive ability, because of his ugly shot. Well, he still has an ugly shot, but he's an effective offensive player.

His shot may have been ugly but he was more proven than Noel, Noah did not blow his ACL in his freshman year, and he won 2 NCAA championships. He was a proven winner.

Noel has not proven anything, and has a lot more red flags than Noah.

It' s kinda hard for a freshman to win 2 NCAA championships - pretty sure it um... hasn't been done very often. Again, you're comparing a junior to a freshman. Noah did next to nothing as a freshman, and he played next to Al Horford on those championship teams. Noel played with a bunch of scared freshmen.

Fact is that Noel has not done any thing to prove that he deserves the benefit of the doubt, Noah did. I never said Noel should have championships. I was explaining why the red flags of less concern than they are with Noel.

hands11 · Post #1029 » by **hands11** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:50 pm

verbal8 wrote:
tontoz wrote:Just read Ford's latest chat. Nothing really new there but it is interesting how secretive some teams are. He said the Bobcats are so secretive that MKG didn't know he was their pick until they called his name. Ford has no idea who they like right now and he has a lot of contacts.

I could see them going with Bennet, Oladipo or Len. All of them could fill needs.

Watch out for Orlando. They have a couple nice pieces in Nikola and T Harris. Arron Afflalo should rebound in year two on his new team. G Davis should come back healthy.

And they will have ton of cap space in 2014

Burke or Zeller would go nicely with what they are building. They probably need Burke more. That team needs a leader to help the team form an identity.

Burke, T Harris and Nikola would be a good young core with Arron Afflalo, G Davis, Al Harrington as the vets. Thats not bad at all heading into a ton a cap room the following year.

That would be a quick rebuild.

Kanyewest · Post #1030 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:34 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:
Jazzfan12 wrote:
Noel's offense is much better than Bennett's defense, Noel's defense has a chance to be the best in the league whereas Bennett will never be one of the best scoring big men in the NBA. You can win with great defensive big men who are limited to dunks offensively, it's really hard to win with big men who are total defensive liabilities.

What offense does Noels have? Like you said, dunks is it and he'll need someone to create an opening for his or run the floor to get a dunk. He's not going to back anyone down anytime soon....

While it'd be nice if Noel could post people up, the fact that offensively he's completely inept. Being able to run the floor, finish, pass out of double teams, not turn the ball over are all very important skills to have and Noel has the awareness.

Plus he draws a surprising amount of fouls. Noel takes less shots yet shoots more free throws than Bennett and that's as a non-primary scoring option. Adjusted for minutes, Noel accounts for 19% of the free throws taken on Kentucky and Bennett accounts for 23%.

How exactly is Noel getting his free throws? Is it from offense or from rebounds? Are teams fouling him because he is not exactly a good free throw shooter (he shot only 53%)? Someone like Hasheem Thabeet accounted for 21.7% of his team free throws or 6 FTA per game, then again it was his junior year.

Knighthonor · Post #1031 » by **Knighthonor** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:44 pm

More Bennett discussions
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1257448
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1256802

Jay81 · Post #1032 » by **Jay81** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:54 am

http://nba.si.com/2013/06/22/nba-draft- ... y-bennett/

hands11 · Post #1033 » by **hands11** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:28 am

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-top-5-lists-1

mohammed10 · Post #1034 » by **mohammed10** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:31 am

Jay81 wrote:every rumor about the wizards i see has us getting raped and Ernie looking like a complete moron

...that's not a rumor, that's a fact

theGreatRC · Post #1035 » by **theGreatRC** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:31 am

Knighthonor wrote:Draft thread seem to be dying lately

There are barely any rumors going around. We're going to start hearing some good stuff before draft day or hours before the draft.

gambitx777 · Post #1036 » by **gambitx777** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:47 am

I am hoping that Ted has made it clear that E.G. is not to draft in his normal fashion .

Take actual talent and ready to play character in the second round and not Lackluster need picks and draft and stash player that will never last.
I would be giddy if we got Ledo/Ennis and Carmichael/Osby second round.

Deeptu McPullup · Post #1037 » by **Deeptu McPullup** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:03 am

theGreatRC wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Draft thread seem to be dying lately

There are barely any rumors going around. We're going to start hearing some good stuff before draft day or hours before the draft.

Yeah, there's only so much abstract analysis you can do before you're chasing your tail. These dudes haven't played in months - there's not much new data appearing. I'm ready for some "it's been reported that...." type action.

It's quiet....too quiet.

Spoiler:

gambitx777 · Post #1038 » by **gambitx777** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:29 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEq6elgjZaQ

i mean your right there is only so many second round prospects to break down.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1039 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:29 pm

Amazing USA Today article about McLemore's personal history: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc ... e/1947401/

It gets pretty tough. It's incredible that he's made it to where he is at today considering his childhood. Going hungry is a terrible barrier to a child's development and achievement. He seems like a really nice kid in spite of everything he went through. He's tough.

I hate to be a jerk, but if you want evidence these kinds of athletes get paid, look at McLemore's arms. How else could he afford those tattoos with his family background like that? I'm not mad about it. I just wish the NCAA would make some fundamental changes so that these guys can get paid over the table.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1040 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:40 pm

The article also makes it pretty clear how McLemore was such a late bloomer. With no easy opportunities, it's a small miracle he even played college ball.

I woudln't mind picking McLemore as a value pick because he can obviously shoot. That jumper is perfect. As good looking as Beal's and, like McCollum's dribble pull up, as pretty a shot as this class has to offer. Those two are the only guys I can say with confidence are true knockdown shooters. Those are nice to have, it'd be nice to put two on the court with Wall. He and Beal could damn near shoot 50% from three with Wall feeding them. We'd be incredibly offensively potent.

But defensive match ups... If only Beal were 6'7.